Tucker Carlson’s Full Interview with Vladimir Putin

The following is an ░░░░░░░░ with the President of ░░░░░░░░ Vladimir Putin Shot February ░░░░░░░░ 2024 at about 7 ░░░░░░░░ m in the building ░░░░░░░░ us which is of ░░░░░░░░ the Kremlin The interview ░░░░░░░░ you will see if ░░░░░░░░ watch it is primarily ░░░░░░░░ the war in progress ░░░░░░░░ war in Ukraine how ░░░░░░░░ started what s happening ░░░░░░░░ most pressingly how it ░░░░░░░░ end One note before ░░░░░░░░ watch At the beginning ░░░░░░░░ the interview we asked ░░░░░░░░ most obvious question which ░░░░░░░░ why did you do ░░░░░░░░ Did you feel a ░░░░░░░░ an imminent physical threat ░░░░░░░░ that s your justification ░░░░░░░░ the answer we got ░░░░░░░░ us Putin went on ░░░░░░░░ a very long time ░░░░░░░░ half an hour about ░░░░░░░░ history of Russia going ░░░░░░░░ to the eighth century ░░░░░░░░ honestly we thought this ░░░░░░░░ a filibustering technique and ░░░░░░░░ it annoying and interrupted ░░░░░░░░ several times and he ░░░░░░░░ He was annoyed by ░░░░░░░░ interruption But we concluded ░░░░░░░░ the end for what ░░░░░░░░ s worth that it ░░░░░░░░ not a filibustering technique ░░░░░░░░ was no time limit ░░░░░░░░ the interview We ended ░░░░░░░░ after more than two ░░░░░░░░ Instead what you re ░░░░░░░░ to see seemed to ░░░░░░░░ sincere whether you agree ░░░░░░░░ it or not Vladimir ░░░░░░░░ believes that Russia has ░░░░░░░░ historic claim to parts ░░░░░░░░ western Ukraine So our ░░░░░░░░ would be to view ░░░░░░░░ in that light as ░░░░░░░░ sincere expression of what ░░░░░░░░ thinks And with that ░░░░░░░░ it is Mr President ░░░░░░░░ you On February 22nd ░░░░░░░░ you addressed your country ░░░░░░░░ a nationwide address when ░░░░░░░░ conflict in Ukraine started ░░░░░░░░ you said that you ░░░░░░░░ acting because you had ░░░░░░░░ to the conclusion that ░░░░░░░░ United States through NATO ░░░░░░░░ initiate a quote surprise ░░░░░░░░ on our country and ░░░░░░░░ American ears that sounds ░░░░░░░░ Tell us why you ░░░░░░░░ the United States might ░░░░░░░░ Russia out of the ░░░░░░░░ How did you conclude ░░░░░░░░ It s not that ░░░░░░░░ the United States was ░░░░░░░░ to launch a surprise ░░░░░░░░ on Russia I didn ░░░░░░░░ say that Are we ░░░░░░░░ a talk show or ░░░░░░░░ serious conversation Here s ░░░░░░░░ quote Thank you It ░░░░░░░░ a formidable serious talk ░░░░░░░░ your basic education is ░░░░░░░░ history as far as ░░░░░░░░ understand Yes So if ░░░░░░░░ don t mind I ░░░░░░░░ take only 30 seconds ░░░░░░░░ one minute to give ░░░░░░░░ a short reference to ░░░░░░░░ for giving you a ░░░░░░░░ historical background Please Let ░░░░░░░░ look where our relationship ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine started from Where ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine come from The ░░░░░░░░ state started gathering itself ░░░░░░░░ a centralized statehood And ░░░░░░░░ is considered to be ░░░░░░░░ year of the establishment ░░░░░░░░ the Russian state in ░░░░░░░░ But when the townspeople ░░░░░░░░ Novgorod invited a Virungian ░░░░░░░░ Rurik from Scandinavia to ░░░░░░░░ In 1862 Russia celebrated ░░░░░░░░ 1000 anniversary of its ░░░░░░░░ And in Novgorod there ░░░░░░░░ a memorial dedicated to ░░░░░░░░ 1000 anniversary of the ░░░░░░░░ In 882 Rurik s ░░░░░░░░ Prince Oleg who was ░░░░░░░░ playing the role of ░░░░░░░░ at Rurik s younger ░░░░░░░░ Because Rurik had died ░░░░░░░░ that time came to ░░░░░░░░ He ousted two brothers ░░░░░░░░ apparently had once been ░░░░░░░░ of Rurik s squad ░░░░░░░░ Russia began to develop ░░░░░░░░ two centers of power ░░░░░░░░ and Novgorod The next ░░░░░░░░ significant date in the ░░░░░░░░ of Russia was 988 ░░░░░░░░ was the baptism of ░░░░░░░░ when Prince Vladimir the ░░░░░░░░ grandson of Rurik baptized ░░░░░░░░ and adopted Orthodoxy or ░░░░░░░░ Christianity From this time ░░░░░░░░ centralized Russian state began ░░░░░░░░ strengthen Why Because of ░░░░░░░░ single territory Integrated economic ░░░░░░░░ One and the same ░░░░░░░░ And after the baptism ░░░░░░░░ Russia the same faith ░░░░░░░░ rule of the Prince ░░░░░░░░ centralized Russian state began ░░░░░░░░ take shape Back in ░░░░░░░░ Middle Ages Prince Yaroslav ░░░░░░░░ Wise introduced the order ░░░░░░░░ succession to a throne ░░░░░░░░ after he passed away ░░░░░░░░ became complicated for various ░░░░░░░░ The throne was passed ░░░░░░░░ directly from father to ░░░░░░░░ son but from the ░░░░░░░░ who had passed away ░░░░░░░░ his brother Then to ░░░░░░░░ sons in different lines ░░░░░░░░ this led to the ░░░░░░░░ and the end of ░░░░░░░░ as a single state ░░░░░░░░ was nothing special about ░░░░░░░░ The same was happening ░░░░░░░░ in Europe But the ░░░░░░░░ Russian state became an ░░░░░░░░ prey to the empire ░░░░░░░░ earlier by Genghis Khan ░░░░░░░░ successors namely Batu Khan ░░░░░░░░ and ruined nearly all ░░░░░░░░ cities The southern part ░░░░░░░░ Kiev by the way ░░░░░░░░ some other cities simply ░░░░░░░░ independence While northern cities ░░░░░░░░ some of their sovereignty ░░░░░░░░ had to pay tribute ░░░░░░░░ the horde but they ░░░░░░░░ to preserve some part ░░░░░░░░ their sovereignty And then ░░░░░░░░ unified Russian state began ░░░░░░░░ take shape with its ░░░░░░░░ in Moscow The southern ░░░░░░░░ of Russian lands including ░░░░░░░░ begun to gradually gravitate ░░░░░░░░ another magnet the center ░░░░░░░░ was emerging in Europe ░░░░░░░░ was the Grand Duchy ░░░░░░░░ Lithuania and it was ░░░░░░░░ called the Lithuanian Russian ░░░░░░░░ because Russians were a ░░░░░░░░ part of this population ░░░░░░░░ spoke the old Russian ░░░░░░░░ and were Orthodox But ░░░░░░░░ there was a unification ░░░░░░░░ union of the Grand ░░░░░░░░ of Lithuania and the ░░░░░░░░ of Poland A few ░░░░░░░░ later Another union was ░░░░░░░░ but this time already ░░░░░░░░ the religious sphere some ░░░░░░░░ the Orthodox priests became ░░░░░░░░ to the Pope Thus ░░░░░░░░ lands became part of ░░░░░░░░ Polish Lithuanian state During ░░░░░░░░ the Poles were engaged ░░░░░░░░ colonization of this part ░░░░░░░░ the population They introduced ░░░░░░░░ language there tried to ░░░░░░░░ the idea that this ░░░░░░░░ was not exactly Russians ░░░░░░░░ because they lived on ░░░░░░░░ fringe they were Ukrainians ░░░░░░░░ the word Ukrainian meant ░░░░░░░░ the person was living ░░░░░░░░ the outskirts of the ░░░░░░░░ along the fringes or ░░░░░░░░ engaged in a Border ░░░░░░░░ service It didn t ░░░░░░░░ any particular ethnic group ░░░░░░░░ the poles were trying ░░░░░░░░ in every possible way ░░░░░░░░ colonize this part of ░░░░░░░░ Russian lands and actually ░░░░░░░░ it rather harshly not ░░░░░░░░ say cruelly all that ░░░░░░░░ to the fact that ░░░░░░░░ part of the Russian ░░░░░░░░ began to struggle for ░░░░░░░░ rights They wrote letters ░░░░░░░░ Warsaw demanding that their ░░░░░░░░ be observed and people ░░░░░░░░ commissioned here including to ░░░░░░░░ I beg your pardon ░░░░░░░░ you tell us what ░░░░░░░░ I m losing track ░░░░░░░░ where in history We ░░░░░░░░ in the Polish oppression ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine It was in ░░░░░░░░ 13th century Now I ░░░░░░░░ tell you what happened ░░░░░░░░ And give the dates ░░░░░░░░ that there is no ░░░░░░░░ And in 1654 even ░░░░░░░░ bit earlier this year ░░░░░░░░ people who were in ░░░░░░░░ of the authority over ░░░░░░░░ part of the Russian ░░░░░░░░ addressed war so I ░░░░░░░░ demanding that they send ░░░░░░░░ to rulers of Russian ░░░░░░░░ and Orthodox faith But ░░░░░░░░ did not answer them ░░░░░░░░ in fact rejected their ░░░░░░░░ they turned to Moscow ░░░░░░░░ that Moscow took them ░░░░░░░░ So that you don ░░░░░░░░ think that I m ░░░░░░░░ things I ll give ░░░░░░░░ these documents Well I ░░░░░░░░ doesn t sound like ░░░░░░░░ re inventing And I ░░░░░░░░ not sure why it ░░░░░░░░ relevant to what happenned ░░░░░░░░ years ago But still ░░░░░░░░ are documents from the ░░░░░░░░ Copies Here s the ░░░░░░░░ from Bohdan Khmelnytsky the ░░░░░░░░ who then controlled the ░░░░░░░░ in this part of ░░░░░░░░ Russian lands that is ░░░░░░░░ called Ukraine He wrote ░░░░░░░░ Warsaw demanding that their ░░░░░░░░ be upheld And after ░░░░░░░░ refused he began to ░░░░░░░░ letters to Moscow Asking ░░░░░░░░ take them under the ░░░░░░░░ hand of the Moscow ░░░░░░░░ There are copies of ░░░░░░░░ documents I will leave ░░░░░░░░ for your good memory ░░░░░░░░ is a translation into ░░░░░░░░ You can translate it ░░░░░░░░ English later But Russia ░░░░░░░░ not agree to admit ░░░░░░░░ straight away assuming that ░░░░░░░░ war with Poland would ░░░░░░░░ Nevertheless in 1654 the ░░░░░░░░ assembly of top clergy ░░░░░░░░ landowners headed by the ░░░░░░░░ which was the representative ░░░░░░░░ of the power of ░░░░░░░░ old Russian state decided ░░░░░░░░ include a part of ░░░░░░░░ old Russian lands into ░░░░░░░░ Kingdom As expected the ░░░░░░░░ with Poland began It ░░░░░░░░ 13 years and then ░░░░░░░░ 1654 a truce was ░░░░░░░░ And 32 years later ░░░░░░░░ think a peace treaty ░░░░░░░░ Poland which they called ░░░░░░░░ peace was signed And ░░░░░░░░ lands the whole left ░░░░░░░░ of Dnieper including Kiev ░░░░░░░░ to Russia And the ░░░░░░░░ right bank of Dnieper ░░░░░░░░ in Poland Under the ░░░░░░░░ of Catharina the Great ░░░░░░░░ reclaimed all of its ░░░░░░░░ lands including in the ░░░░░░░░ and west this all ░░░░░░░░ until the Revolution Before ░░░░░░░░ War 1 Austrian General ░░░░░░░░ relied on the ideas ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainization and started actively ░░░░░░░░ the ideas of Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ the Ukrainization The motive ░░░░░░░░ obvious Just before World ░░░░░░░░ 1 they wanted to ░░░░░░░░ the potential enemy and ░░░░░░░░ themselves favorable conditions in ░░░░░░░░ border area So the ░░░░░░░░ which had emerged in ░░░░░░░░ that people residing in ░░░░░░░░ territory were allegedly not ░░░░░░░░ Russians but rather belong ░░░░░░░░ a special ethnic group ░░░░░░░░ started being propagated by ░░░░░░░░ Austrian General Staff As ░░░░░░░░ back as the 19th ░░░░░░░░ theorists calling for Ukrainian ░░░░░░░░ appeared All those however ░░░░░░░░ that Ukraine should have ░░░░░░░░ very good relationship with ░░░░░░░░ They insisted on that ░░░░░░░░ the 1917 revolution the ░░░░░░░░ sought to restore the ░░░░░░░░ and the civil war ░░░░░░░░ including the hostilities with ░░░░░░░░ In 1921 peace with ░░░░░░░░ was proclaimed And under ░░░░░░░░ treaty the right bank ░░░░░░░░ Dnieper River once again ░░░░░░░░ given back to Poland ░░░░░░░░ 1939 after Poland cooperated ░░░░░░░░ Hitler It did collaborate ░░░░░░░░ Hitler no Hitler offered ░░░░░░░░ peace and a treaty ░░░░░░░░ friendship An alliance demanding ░░░░░░░░ return that Poland give ░░░░░░░░ to Germany the so ░░░░░░░░ Danzig Corridor which connected ░░░░░░░░ bulk of Germany with ░░░░░░░░ Prussia and K nigsberg ░░░░░░░░ World War One this ░░░░░░░░ was transferred to Poland ░░░░░░░░ instead of Danzig a ░░░░░░░░ of Dansk emerged Hitler ░░░░░░░░ them to give it ░░░░░░░░ but they refused Of ░░░░░░░░ still they collaborated with ░░░░░░░░ and engaged together in ░░░░░░░░ partitioning of Czechoslovakia But ░░░░░░░░ I ask you re ░░░░░░░░ the case that Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ parts of Ukraine eastern ░░░░░░░░ is in effect Russia ░░░░░░░░ been for hundreds of ░░░░░░░░ Why wouldn t you ░░░░░░░░ take it when you ░░░░░░░░ president 24 years ago ░░░░░░░░ have nuclear weapons They ░░░░░░░░ t It s actually ░░░░░░░░ land Why did you ░░░░░░░░ so long I ll ░░░░░░░░ you I m coming ░░░░░░░░ that This briefing is ░░░░░░░░ to an end It ░░░░░░░░ be boring but it ░░░░░░░░ many things It s ░░░░░░░░ boring Just not sure ░░░░░░░░ its relevant Good good ░░░░░░░░ m so gratified that ░░░░░░░░ appreciate that Thank you ░░░░░░░░ before World War 2 ░░░░░░░░ collaborated with Hitler And ░░░░░░░░ it did not yield ░░░░░░░░ Hitler s demands it ░░░░░░░░ participated in the partitioning ░░░░░░░░ Czechoslovakia together with Hitler ░░░░░░░░ the Poles had not ░░░░░░░░ the Danzig corridor to ░░░░░░░░ and went too far ░░░░░░░░ Hitler to start World ░░░░░░░░ 2 by attacking them ░░░░░░░░ was it Poland against ░░░░░░░░ the war started on ░░░░░░░░ September 1939 Poland turned ░░░░░░░░ to be uncompromising and ░░░░░░░░ had nothing to do ░░░░░░░░ start implementing his plans ░░░░░░░░ Poland Sobieski By the ░░░░░░░░ the USSR I have ░░░░░░░░ some archive documents behaved ░░░░░░░░ honestly and it asked ░░░░░░░░ s permission to transit ░░░░░░░░ troops through the Polish ░░░░░░░░ to help Czechoslovakia But ░░░░░░░░ then Polish foreign minister ░░░░░░░░ that if the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ flew over Poland they ░░░░░░░░ be downed over the ░░░░░░░░ of Poland But that ░░░░░░░░ t matter What matters ░░░░░░░░ that the war begun ░░░░░░░░ Poland fell prey to ░░░░░░░░ policies it had pursued ░░░░░░░░ Czechoslovakia This under the ░░░░░░░░ known Molotov Ribbentrop pact ░░░░░░░░ part of the territory ░░░░░░░░ western Ukraine was to ░░░░░░░░ given to Russia thus ░░░░░░░░ which was then named ░░░░░░░░ USSR regained its historical ░░░░░░░░ After the victory in ░░░░░░░░ Great Patriotic War as ░░░░░░░░ call World War 2 ░░░░░░░░ all those territories were ░░░░░░░░ enshrined as belonging to ░░░░░░░░ to the USSR As ░░░░░░░░ Poland it received apparently ░░░░░░░░ compensation the lands which ░░░░░░░░ originally been German The ░░░░░░░░ parts of Germany These ░░░░░░░░ now western lands of ░░░░░░░░ Of course Poland regained ░░░░░░░░ to the Baltic Sea ░░░░░░░░ Danzig Which was once ░░░░░░░░ given its Polish name ░░░░░░░░ this was how this ░░░░░░░░ developed In 1922 when ░░░░░░░░ USSR was being established ░░░░░░░░ Bolsheviks started building the ░░░░░░░░ and established the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ which had never existed ░░░░░░░░ Right Stalin insisted that ░░░░░░░░ republics be included in ░░░░░░░░ USSR as autonomous entities ░░░░░░░░ some inexplicable reason Lenin ░░░░░░░░ founder of the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ insisted that they be ░░░░░░░░ to withdraw from the ░░░░░░░░ And again for some ░░░░░░░░ reasons he transferred to ░░░░░░░░ newly established Soviet Republic ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine some of the ░░░░░░░░ together with people living ░░░░░░░░ even though those lands ░░░░░░░░ never been called Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ yet they were made ░░░░░░░░ of that Soviet Republic ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine Those lands included ░░░░░░░░ Black Sea region which ░░░░░░░░ received under Catharina the ░░░░░░░░ and which had no ░░░░░░░░ connection with Ukraine whatsoever ░░░░░░░░ if we go as ░░░░░░░░ back as 1654 when ░░░░░░░░ lands returned to the ░░░░░░░░ Empire That territory was ░░░░░░░░ size of 3 to ░░░░░░░░ regions of modern Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ no Black Sea region ░░░░░░░░ was completely out of ░░░░░░░░ question In 1654 Exactly ░░░░░░░░ m just you obviously ░░░░░░░░ encyclopedic knowledge of this ░░░░░░░░ But why didn t ░░░░░░░░ make this case for ░░░░░░░░ first 22 years as ░░░░░░░░ that Ukraine wasn t ░░░░░░░░ real country The Soviet ░░░░░░░░ was given a great ░░░░░░░░ of territory that had ░░░░░░░░ belonged to it including ░░░░░░░░ Black Sea region At ░░░░░░░░ point when Russia received ░░░░░░░░ as an outcome of ░░░░░░░░ Russo Turkish wars they ░░░░░░░░ called New Russia or ░░░░░░░░ Russia But that does ░░░░░░░░ matter What matters is ░░░░░░░░ Lenin the founder of ░░░░░░░░ Soviet state established Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ way For decades the ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Republic developed as ░░░░░░░░ of the USSR And ░░░░░░░░ unknown reasons again the ░░░░░░░░ were engaged in Ukrainization ░░░░░░░░ was not merely because ░░░░░░░░ Soviet leadership was composed ░░░░░░░░ a great extent of ░░░░░░░░ originating from Ukraine Rather ░░░░░░░░ was explained by the ░░░░░░░░ policy of indigenization pursued ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Union Same ░░░░░░░░ were done in other ░░░░░░░░ republics This involved promoting ░░░░░░░░ languages and national cultures ░░░░░░░░ is not a bad ░░░░░░░░ principle That is how ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Ukraine was created ░░░░░░░░ the World War 2 ░░░░░░░░ received in addition to ░░░░░░░░ lands that had belonged ░░░░░░░░ Poland before the war ░░░░░░░░ of the lands that ░░░░░░░░ previously belonged to Hungary ░░░░░░░░ Romania So Romania and ░░░░░░░░ had some of their ░░░░░░░░ taken away and given ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Ukraine and ░░░░░░░░ still remain part of ░░░░░░░░ So in this sense ░░░░░░░░ have every reason to ░░░░░░░░ that Ukraine is an ░░░░░░░░ state that was shaped ░░░░░░░░ Stalin s will Do ░░░░░░░░ believe Hungary has a ░░░░░░░░ to take its land ░░░░░░░░ from Ukraine and that ░░░░░░░░ nations have a right ░░░░░░░░ go back to their ░░░░░░░░ borders I m not ░░░░░░░░ whether they should go ░░░░░░░░ to their 1654 borders ░░░░░░░░ given Stalin s time ░░░░░░░░ called Stalin s regime ░░░░░░░░ as many claim saw ░░░░░░░░ violations of human rights ░░░░░░░░ violations of the rights ░░░░░░░░ other states One can ░░░░░░░░ that they could claim ░░░░░░░░ those lands of theirs ░░░░░░░░ having no right to ░░░░░░░░ that It is at ░░░░░░░░ understandable Have you told ░░░░░░░░ Orban that he can ░░░░░░░░ part of Ukraine Never ░░░░░░░░ have never told him ░░░░░░░░ a single time We ░░░░░░░░ not even had any ░░░░░░░░ on that But I ░░░░░░░░ know for sure that ░░░░░░░░ who live there wanted ░░░░░░░░ get back to their ░░░░░░░░ land Moreover I would ░░░░░░░░ to share a very ░░░░░░░░ story with you I ░░░░░░░░ it s a personal ░░░░░░░░ Somewhere in the early ░░░░░░░░ I went on a ░░░░░░░░ trip in a car ░░░░░░░░ then Leningrad across the ░░░░░░░░ Union through Kiev Made ░░░░░░░░ stop in Kiev and ░░░░░░░░ went to western Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ went to the town ░░░░░░░░ Beregovoy and all the ░░░░░░░░ of towns and villages ░░░░░░░░ were in Russian and ░░░░░░░░ the language I did ░░░░░░░░ understand in Hungarian in ░░░░░░░░ and in Hungarian Not ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainian in Russian and ░░░░░░░░ Hungarian I was driving ░░░░░░░░ some kind of village ░░░░░░░░ there were men sitting ░░░░░░░░ to their houses and ░░░░░░░░ were wearing black three ░░░░░░░░ suits and black cylinder ░░░░░░░░ I asked are they ░░░░░░░░ kind of entertainers I ░░░░░░░░ told no they were ░░░░░░░░ entertainers they were Hungarians ░░░░░░░░ said what are they ░░░░░░░░ here What do you ░░░░░░░░ This is their land ░░░░░░░░ live here This was ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet time in ░░░░░░░░ 1980s They preserved the ░░░░░░░░ language Hungarian names and ░░░░░░░░ their national costumes They ░░░░░░░░ Hungarians and they feel ░░░░░░░░ to be Hungarians And ░░░░░░░░ course when now there ░░░░░░░░ an infringement What that ░░░░░░░░ and there s a ░░░░░░░░ of that though I ░░░░░░░░ many nations are upset ░░░░░░░░ Transylvania as well as ░░░░░░░░ obviously know But many ░░░░░░░░ feel frustrated by the ░░░░░░░░ borders of the wars ░░░░░░░░ the 20th century and ░░░░░░░░ going back a thousand ░░░░░░░░ the ones that you ░░░░░░░░ But the fact is ░░░░░░░░ you didn t make ░░░░░░░░ case in public until ░░░░░░░░ years ago February And ░░░░░░░░ the case that you ░░░░░░░░ which I read today ░░░░░░░░ explain at great length ░░░░░░░░ you felt a physical ░░░░░░░░ from the West in ░░░░░░░░ including potentially nuclear threat ░░░░░░░░ that s what got ░░░░░░░░ to move Is that ░░░░░░░░ fair characterization of what ░░░░░░░░ said I understand that ░░░░░░░░ long speeches probably fall ░░░░░░░░ of the genre of ░░░░░░░░ interview That is why ░░░░░░░░ asked you at the ░░░░░░░░ are we going to ░░░░░░░░ a serious talk or ░░░░░░░░ show You said a ░░░░░░░░ talk So bear with ░░░░░░░░ please We re coming ░░░░░░░░ the point where the ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine was established Then ░░░░░░░░ 1991 the Soviet Union ░░░░░░░░ and everything that Russia ░░░░░░░░ generously bestowed on Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ dragged away by the ░░░░░░░░ I m coming to ░░░░░░░░ very important point of ░░░░░░░░ s agenda Thank you ░░░░░░░░ all the collapse of ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Union was effectively ░░░░░░░░ by the Russian leadership ░░░░░░░░ do not understand what ░░░░░░░░ Russian leadership was guided ░░░░░░░░ at the time but ░░░░░░░░ suspect there were several ░░░░░░░░ to think everything would ░░░░░░░░ fine First I think ░░░░░░░░ then Russian leadership believed ░░░░░░░░ the fundamentals of the ░░░░░░░░ between Russia and Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ in fact a common ░░░░░░░░ More than 90 of ░░░░░░░░ population there spoke Russian ░░░░░░░░ ties every third person ░░░░░░░░ had some kind of ░░░░░░░░ or friendship ties Common ░░░░░░░░ Common history finally common ░░░░░░░░ coexistence with a single ░░░░░░░░ for centuries and deeply ░░░░░░░░ economies All of these ░░░░░░░░ so fundamental All these ░░░░░░░░ together make our good ░░░░░░░░ inevitable The second point ░░░░░░░░ a very important one ░░░░░░░░ want you as an ░░░░░░░░ citizen and your viewers ░░░░░░░░ hear about this as ░░░░░░░░ former Russian leadership assumed ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Union had ░░░░░░░░ to exist and therefore ░░░░░░░░ were no longer any ░░░░░░░░ dividing lines Russia even ░░░░░░░░ voluntarily and proactively to ░░░░░░░░ collapse of the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ and believed that this ░░░░░░░░ be understood by the ░░░░░░░░ called civilized West as ░░░░░░░░ invitation for cooperation and ░░░░░░░░ That is what Russia ░░░░░░░░ expecting both from the ░░░░░░░░ States and this so ░░░░░░░░ collective West as a ░░░░░░░░ There were smart people ░░░░░░░░ in Germany Egon Barr ░░░░░░░░ major politician of the ░░░░░░░░ Democratic Party who insisted ░░░░░░░░ his personal conversations with ░░░░░░░░ Soviet leadership on the ░░░░░░░░ of the collapse of ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Union that they ░░░░░░░░ security systems should be ░░░░░░░░ in Europe Help should ░░░░░░░░ given to unified Germany ░░░░░░░░ a new system should ░░░░░░░░ also established to include ░░░░░░░░ United States Canada Russia ░░░░░░░░ other Central European countries ░░░░░░░░ NATO needs not to ░░░░░░░░ That s what he ░░░░░░░░ If NATO expands everything ░░░░░░░░ be just the same ░░░░░░░░ during the Cold War ░░░░░░░░ closer to Russia s ░░░░░░░░ That s all He ░░░░░░░░ a wise old man ░░░░░░░░ no one listened to ░░░░░░░░ In fact he got ░░░░░░░░ once If he said ░░░░░░░░ don t listen to ░░░░░░░░ I m never setting ░░░░░░░░ foot in Moscow once ░░░░░░░░ Everything happened just as ░░░░░░░░ had said Of course ░░░░░░░░ did come true And ░░░░░░░░ and you ve mentioned ░░░░░░░░ many times I think ░░░░░░░░ s a fair point ░░░░░░░░ many in America thought ░░░░░░░░ relations between Russia and ░░░░░░░░ United States would be ░░░░░░░░ with the collapse of ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Union and the ░░░░░░░░ of the Cold War ░░░░░░░░ opposite happened But you ░░░░░░░░ never explained why you ░░░░░░░░ that happened except to ░░░░░░░░ that the West fears ░░░░░░░░ strong Russia But we ░░░░░░░░ a strong China the ░░░░░░░░ does not seem very ░░░░░░░░ of What about Russia ░░░░░░░░ you think convinced policymakers ░░░░░░░░ had to take it ░░░░░░░░ The West is afraid ░░░░░░░░ strong China more than ░░░░░░░░ fears a strong Russia ░░░░░░░░ Russia has won 150 ░░░░░░░░ people and China has ░░░░░░░░ 5 billion population And ░░░░░░░░ economy is growing by ░░░░░░░░ and bounds or 5 ░░░░░░░░ year It used to ░░░░░░░░ even more but that ░░░░░░░░ enough for China As ░░░░░░░░ once put it potentials ░░░░░░░░ the most important China ░░░░░░░░ potential is enormous It ░░░░░░░░ the biggest economy in ░░░░░░░░ world today in terms ░░░░░░░░ purchasing power parity and ░░░░░░░░ size of the economy ░░░░░░░░ is already overtaking the ░░░░░░░░ States quite a long ░░░░░░░░ ago and it is ░░░░░░░░ at a rapid clip ░░░░░░░░ s not talk about ░░░░░░░░ is afraid of whom ░░░░░░░░ s not reason in ░░░░░░░░ terms And let s ░░░░░░░░ into the fact that ░░░░░░░░ 1991 when Russia expected ░░░░░░░░ it would be welcomed ░░░░░░░░ the brotherly family of ░░░░░░░░ nations nothing like this ░░░░░░░░ You tricked us I ░░░░░░░░ t mean you personally ░░░░░░░░ I say you Of ░░░░░░░░ I m talking about ░░░░░░░░ United States The promise ░░░░░░░░ that NATO would not ░░░░░░░░ eastward But it happened ░░░░░░░░ times There were five ░░░░░░░░ of expansion We tolerated ░░░░░░░░ that We were trying ░░░░░░░░ persuade them We were ░░░░░░░░ please don t We ░░░░░░░░ as bourgeois now as ░░░░░░░░ are We are a ░░░░░░░░ economy and there is ░░░░░░░░ Communist Party power Let ░░░░░░░░ negotiate Moreover I have ░░░░░░░░ said this publicly before ░░░░░░░░ was a moment when ░░░░░░░░ certain rift started growing ░░░░░░░░ us Before that Yeltsin ░░░░░░░░ to the United States ░░░░░░░░ he spoke in Congress ░░░░░░░░ said the good words ░░░░░░░░ bless America Everything he ░░░░░░░░ were signals Let us ░░░░░░░░ Remember the developments in ░░░░░░░░ before that yeltsin was ░░░░░░░░ with praise As soon ░░░░░░░░ the developments in Yugoslavia ░░░░░░░░ he raised his voice ░░░░░░░░ support of Serbs And ░░░░░░░░ couldn t but raise ░░░░░░░░ voices for Serbs in ░░░░░░░░ defense I understand that ░░░░░░░░ were complex processes underway ░░░░░░░░ I do but Russia ░░░░░░░░ not help raising its ░░░░░░░░ in support of Serbs ░░░░░░░░ Serbs are also a ░░░░░░░░ and close to our ░░░░░░░░ with Orthodox culture and ░░░░░░░░ on It s a ░░░░░░░░ that has suffered so ░░░░░░░░ for generations Well regardless ░░░░░░░░ is important is that ░░░░░░░░ expressed his support What ░░░░░░░░ the United States do ░░░░░░░░ violation of international law ░░░░░░░░ the UN charter it ░░░░░░░░ bombing Belgrade It was ░░░░░░░░ United States that led ░░░░░░░░ genie out of the ░░░░░░░░ Moreover when Russia protested ░░░░░░░░ expressed its resentment what ░░░░░░░░ said The U N ░░░░░░░░ and international law have ░░░░░░░░ obsolete Now everyone invokes ░░░░░░░░ law but at that ░░░░░░░░ they started saying that ░░░░░░░░ was outdated Everything had ░░░░░░░░ be changed Indeed some ░░░░░░░░ need to be changed ░░░░░░░░ the balance of power ░░░░░░░░ changed It s true ░░░░░░░░ not in this manner ░░░░░░░░ was immediately dragged through ░░░░░░░░ mud accused of alcoholism ░░░░░░░░ understanding nothing of knowing ░░░░░░░░ He understood everything I ░░░░░░░░ you Well I became ░░░░░░░░ in 2000 I thought ░░░░░░░░ the Yugoslav issue is ░░░░░░░░ but we should try ░░░░░░░░ restore relations Lets re ░░░░░░░░ the door that Russia ░░░░░░░░ tried to go through ░░░░░░░░ moreover I said it ░░░░░░░░ I can reiterate At ░░░░░░░░ meeting here in the ░░░░░░░░ with the outgoing President ░░░░░░░░ Clinton right here in ░░░░░░░░ next room I said ░░░░░░░░ him I asked him ░░░░░░░░ do you think if ░░░░░░░░ asked to join NATO ░░░░░░░░ you think it would ░░░░░░░░ Suddenly he said you ░░░░░░░░ it s interesting I ░░░░░░░░ so But in the ░░░░░░░░ when we met for ░░░░░░░░ he said you know ░░░░░░░░ ve talked to my ░░░░░░░░ no it s not ░░░░░░░░ now You can ask ░░░░░░░░ I think he will ░░░░░░░░ our interview he ll ░░░░░░░░ it I wouldn t ░░░░░░░░ said anything like that ░░░░░░░░ it hadn t happened ░░░░░░░░ well its impossible now ░░░░░░░░ you sincere Would you ░░░░░░░░ joined NATO Look I ░░░░░░░░ the question is it ░░░░░░░░ or not And the ░░░░░░░░ I got was no ░░░░░░░░ I was insincere in ░░░░░░░░ desire to find out ░░░░░░░░ the leadership position was ░░░░░░░░ if he had said ░░░░░░░░ would you have joined ░░░░░░░░ If he had said ░░░░░░░░ the process of rapprochement ░░░░░░░░ have commenced and eventually ░░░░░░░░ might have happened if ░░░░░░░░ had seen some sincere ░░░░░░░░ on the side of ░░░░░░░░ partners But it didn ░░░░░░░░ happen Well no means ░░░░░░░░ okay fine Why do ░░░░░░░░ think that is Just ░░░░░░░░ get to motive I ░░░░░░░░ you re clearly bitter ░░░░░░░░ it I understand But ░░░░░░░░ do you think the ░░░░░░░░ rebuffed you then Why ░░░░░░░░ hostility Why did the ░░░░░░░░ of the Cold War ░░░░░░░░ fix the relationship What ░░░░░░░░ this from your point ░░░░░░░░ view You said that ░░░░░░░░ was bitter about the ░░░░░░░░ No it s not ░░░░░░░░ It s just the ░░░░░░░░ of fact We re ░░░░░░░░ bride and groom bitterness ░░░░░░░░ it s not about ░░░░░░░░ kind of matters in ░░░░░░░░ circumstances We just realized ░░░░░░░░ weren t welcome there ░░░░░░░░ s all Okay fine ░░░░░░░░ let s build relations ░░░░░░░░ another manner Let s ░░░░░░░░ for common ground elsewhere ░░░░░░░░ we received such a ░░░░░░░░ response you should ask ░░░░░░░░ leaders I can only ░░░░░░░░ why too big a ░░░░░░░░ with its own opinion ░░░░░░░░ so on And the ░░░░░░░░ States I have seen ░░░░░░░░ issues are being resolved ░░░░░░░░ NATO I will give ░░░░░░░░ another example now concerning ░░░░░░░░ U S leadership exerts ░░░░░░░░ and all NATO members ░░░░░░░░ vote Even if they ░░░░░░░░ not like something Now ░░░░░░░░ ll tell you what ░░░░░░░░ in this regard with ░░░░░░░░ in 2008 Although it ░░░░░░░░ being discussed I m ░░░░░░░░ going to open a ░░░░░░░░ to you say anything ░░░░░░░░ Nevertheless after that we ░░░░░░░░ to build the relations ░░░░░░░░ different ways For example ░░░░░░░░ events in the Middle ░░░░░░░░ in Iraq we were ░░░░░░░░ relations with the United ░░░░░░░░ in a very soft ░░░░░░░░ cautious manner I repeatedly ░░░░░░░░ the issue that the ░░░░░░░░ States should not support ░░░░░░░░ or terrorism in the ░░░░░░░░ Caucasus s But they ░░░░░░░░ to do it anyway ░░░░░░░░ political support information support ░░░░░░░░ support even military support ░░░░░░░░ from the United States ░░░░░░░░ its satellites for terrorist ░░░░░░░░ in the Caucasus I ░░░░░░░░ raised this issue with ░░░░░░░░ colleague also the president ░░░░░░░░ the United States He ░░░░░░░░ it s impossible Do ░░░░░░░░ have proof I said ░░░░░░░░ I was prepared for ░░░░░░░░ conversation and I gave ░░░░░░░░ that proof of motive ░░░░░░░░ looked at it and ░░░░░░░░ know what he said ░░░░░░░░ apologize but that s ░░░░░░░░ happened I ll quote ░░░░░░░░ says well I m ░░░░░░░░ kick their ass We ░░░░░░░░ and waited for some ░░░░░░░░ There was no reply ░░░░░░░░ said to the FSB ░░░░░░░░ write to the CIA ░░░░░░░░ is the result of ░░░░░░░░ conversation with the president ░░░░░░░░ wrote once twice And ░░░░░░░░ we got a reply ░░░░░░░░ have the answer in ░░░░░░░░ archive The CIA replied ░░░░░░░░ have been working with ░░░░░░░░ opposition in Russia We ░░░░░░░░ that this is the ░░░░░░░░ thing to do and ░░░░░░░░ will keep on doing ░░░░░░░░ It s just ridiculous ░░░░░░░░ okay We realized that ░░░░░░░░ was out of the ░░░░░░░░ Forces in opposition to ░░░░░░░░ So you re saying ░░░░░░░░ CIA is trying to ░░░░░░░░ your government Of course ░░░░░░░░ meant in that particular ░░░░░░░░ the separatists the terrorists ░░░░░░░░ fought with us in ░░░░░░░░ Caucasus That s who ░░░░░░░░ call the opposition This ░░░░░░░░ the second point The ░░░░░░░░ moment is a very ░░░░░░░░ one is the moment ░░░░░░░░ the US missile defense ░░░░░░░░ was created at the ░░░░░░░░ We persuaded for a ░░░░░░░░ time not to do ░░░░░░░░ in United States Moreover ░░░░░░░░ was invited by Bush ░░░░░░░░ Father Bush senior to ░░░░░░░░ his place on the ░░░░░░░░ I had a very ░░░░░░░░ conversation with President Bush ░░░░░░░░ his team I propose ░░░░░░░░ the United States Russia ░░░░░░░░ Europe jointly create the ░░░░░░░░ defense system that we ░░░░░░░░ if created unilaterally threatens ░░░░░░░░ security Despite the fact ░░░░░░░░ the United States officially ░░░░░░░░ that it was being ░░░░░░░░ against missile threats from ░░░░░░░░ That was the justification ░░░░░░░░ the deployment of the ░░░░░░░░ defense system I suggested ░░░░░░░░ together Russia the United ░░░░░░░░ and Europe They said ░░░░░░░░ was very interesting They ░░░░░░░░ me Are you serious ░░░░░░░░ said Absolutely May I ░░░░░░░░ what year was this ░░░░░░░░ don t remember It ░░░░░░░░ easy to find out ░░░░░░░░ the internet When I ░░░░░░░░ in the USA at ░░░░░░░░ invitation of a Bush ░░░░░░░░ It is even easier ░░░░░░░░ learn from someone I ░░░░░░░░ going to tell you ░░░░░░░░ I was told it ░░░░░░░░ very interesting I said ░░░░░░░░ imagine if we could ░░░░░░░░ such a global strategic ░░░░░░░░ challenge together The world ░░░░░░░░ change We ll probably ░░░░░░░░ disputes probably economic and ░░░░░░░░ political ones But we ░░░░░░░░ drastically change the situation ░░░░░░░░ the world He says ░░░░░░░░ and asks Are you ░░░░░░░░ I said Of course ░░░░░░░░ need to think about ░░░░░░░░ I said Go ahead ░░░░░░░░ Then Secretary of Defense ░░░░░░░░ former director of CIA ░░░░░░░░ Secretary of State Rice ░░░░░░░░ in here in this ░░░░░░░░ right here at this ░░░░░░░░ They sat on this ░░░░░░░░ Me the foreign minister ░░░░░░░░ Russian defense minister on ░░░░░░░░ side They said to ░░░░░░░░ yes we have thought ░░░░░░░░ it We agree I ░░░░░░░░ thank God great But ░░░░░░░░ some exceptions So twice ░░░░░░░░ ve described U S ░░░░░░░░ making decisions and then ░░░░░░░░ undercut by their agency ░░░░░░░░ So it sounds like ░░░░░░░░ re describing a system ░░░░░░░░ s not run by ░░░░░░░░ people who are elected ░░░░░░░░ your telling That s ░░░░░░░░ that s right And ░░░░░░░░ they just told us ░░░░░░░░ get lost I m ░░░░░░░░ going to tell you ░░░░░░░░ details because I think ░░░░░░░░ s incorrect After all ░░░░░░░░ was confidential conversation but ░░░░░░░░ proposal was declined That ░░░░░░░░ a fact It was ░░░░░░░░ then when I said ░░░░░░░░ but then we will ░░░░░░░░ forced to take counter ░░░░░░░░ We will create such ░░░░░░░░ systems that will certainly ░░░░░░░░ missile defense systems The ░░░░░░░░ was We are not ░░░░░░░░ this against you and ░░░░░░░░ do what you want ░░░░░░░░ that it is not ░░░░░░░░ us not against the ░░░░░░░░ States I said Okay ░░░░░░░░ well That s the ░░░░░░░░ it went And we ░░░░░░░░ hypersonic systems with intercontinental ░░░░░░░░ and we continue to ░░░░░░░░ them We are now ░░░░░░░░ of everyone the United ░░░░░░░░ and the other countries ░░░░░░░░ terms of the development ░░░░░░░░ hypersonic strike systems And ░░░░░░░░ are improving them every ░░░░░░░░ But it wasn t ░░░░░░░░ We proposed to go ░░░░░░░░ other way and we ░░░░░░░░ pushed back Now about ░░░░░░░░ s expansion to the ░░░░░░░░ Well we were promised ░░░░░░░░ NATO to the east ░░░░░░░░ an inch to the ░░░░░░░░ as we were told ░░░░░░░░ then what They said ░░░░░░░░ it s not enshrined ░░░░░░░░ paper so we ll ░░░░░░░░ So there were five ░░░░░░░░ of expansion The Baltic ░░░░░░░░ the whole of Eastern ░░░░░░░░ and so on And ░░░░░░░░ I come to the ░░░░░░░░ thing They have come ░░░░░░░░ the Ukraine Ultimately in ░░░░░░░░ at the summit in ░░░░░░░░ they declared that the ░░░░░░░░ for Ukraine and Georgia ░░░░░░░░ join NATO were open ░░░░░░░░ about how decisions are ░░░░░░░░ there Germany France seemed ░░░░░░░░ be against it as ░░░░░░░░ as some other European ░░░░░░░░ But then as it ░░░░░░░░ out later President Bush ░░░░░░░░ he s such a ░░░░░░░░ guy a tough politician ░░░░░░░░ I was told later ░░░░░░░░ exerted pressure on us ░░░░░░░░ we had to agree ░░░░░░░░ s ridiculous It s ░░░░░░░░ kindergarten Where are the ░░░░░░░░ What kindergarten is this ░░░░░░░░ kind of people are ░░░░░░░░ Who are they You ░░░░░░░░ they were pressed They ░░░░░░░░ And then they say ░░░░░░░░ won t be in ░░░░░░░░ NATO You know I ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ know you agreed in ░░░░░░░░ Why won t you ░░░░░░░░ in the future Well ░░░░░░░░ pressed us then I ░░░░░░░░ why won t they ░░░░░░░░ you tomorrow and you ░░░░░░░░ agree again Well It ░░░░░░░░ nonsensical Who s there ░░░░░░░░ talk to I just ░░░░░░░░ t understand We re ░░░░░░░░ to talk But with ░░░░░░░░ Where are the guarantees ░░░░░░░░ So they started to ░░░░░░░░ the territory of Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ is there I have ░░░░░░░░ you the background how ░░░░░░░░ territory develops What kind ░░░░░░░░ relations They were with ░░░░░░░░ Every second or third ░░░░░░░░ there has always had ░░░░░░░░ ties with Russia And ░░░░░░░░ the elections in already ░░░░░░░░ sovereign Ukraine which gained ░░░░░░░░ independence as a result ░░░░░░░░ the declaration of independence ░░░░░░░░ by the way it ░░░░░░░░ that Ukraine is a ░░░░░░░░ state And in 2008 ░░░░░░░░ the doors or gates ░░░░░░░░ NATO were opened to ░░░░░░░░ Oh come on This ░░░░░░░░ not how we agreed ░░░░░░░░ all the presidents that ░░░░░░░░ come to power in ░░░░░░░░ they relied on the ░░░░░░░░ with a good attitude ░░░░░░░░ Russia in one way ░░░░░░░░ the other This is ░░░░░░░░ southeast of Ukraine This ░░░░░░░░ a large number of ░░░░░░░░ And it was very ░░░░░░░░ to persuade this electorate ░░░░░░░░ had a positive attitude ░░░░░░░░ Russia Viktor Yanukovych came ░░░░░░░░ power And how the ░░░░░░░░ time he won after ░░░░░░░░ Kuchma they organized the ░░░░░░░░ round which is not ░░░░░░░░ for in the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine This is a ░░░░░░░░ d etat Just imagine ░░░░░░░░ in the United States ░░░░░░░░ t like the outcome ░░░░░░░░ 2014 No this was ░░░░░░░░ that After President Kuchma ░░░░░░░░ Yanukovych won the elections ░░░░░░░░ his opponents did not ░░░░░░░░ that victory The US ░░░░░░░░ the opposition and the ░░░░░░░░ round was scheduled But ░░░░░░░░ is this This is ░░░░░░░░ coup The US supported ░░░░░░░░ and the winner of ░░░░░░░░ third round came to ░░░░░░░░ Imagine if in the ░░░░░░░░ something was not to ░░░░░░░░ s liking and the ░░░░░░░░ round of election which ░░░░░░░░ US Constitution does not ░░░░░░░░ for was organized Nonetheless ░░░░░░░░ was done in Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ Viktor Yushchenko who was ░░░░░░░░ the pro Western politician ░░░░░░░░ to power but fine ░░░░░░░░ have built relations with ░░░░░░░░ as well He came ░░░░░░░░ Moscow with visits We ░░░░░░░░ Kiev I visited it ░░░░░░░░ we met in an ░░░░░░░░ setting If he s ░░░░░░░░ Western so be it ░░░░░░░░ s fine Let people ░░░░░░░░ their job The situation ░░░░░░░░ have developed inside independent ░░░░░░░░ itself as a result ░░░░░░░░ Kuchma leadership Things got ░░░░░░░░ and Viktor Yanukovych came ░░░░░░░░ power Maybe he wasn ░░░░░░░░ the best president and ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ don t want to ░░░░░░░░ assessments However the issue ░░░░░░░░ the association with the ░░░░░░░░ came up We have ░░░░░░░░ been leanent into this ░░░░░░░░ yourself But when we ░░░░░░░░ through the treaty of ░░░░░░░░ it turned out to ░░░░░░░░ a problem for us ░░░░░░░░ we had the free ░░░░░░░░ zone and open customs ░░░░░░░░ with Ukraine which under ░░░░░░░░ association had to open ░░░░░░░░ borders for Europe which ░░░░░░░░ have led to flooding ░░░░░░░░ our market But we ░░░░░░░░ no this is not ░░░░░░░░ to work We shall ░░░░░░░░ our borders with Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ the customs borders that ░░░░░░░░ Yanukovych started to calculate ░░░░░░░░ much Ukraine was going ░░░░░░░░ gain how much to ░░░░░░░░ and said to his ░░░░░░░░ partners I need more ░░░░░░░░ to think before signing ░░░░░░░░ moment he said that ░░░░░░░░ opposition began to take ░░░░░░░░ steps which were supported ░░░░░░░░ the West It all ░░░░░░░░ down to Maidan and ░░░░░░░░ coup in Ukraine So ░░░░░░░░ did more trade with ░░░░░░░░ than with the EU ░░░░░░░░ did Of course It ░░░░░░░░ not even the matter ░░░░░░░░ trade volume although for ░░░░░░░░ most part it is ░░░░░░░░ is the matter of ░░░░░░░░ size which the entire ░░░░░░░░ economy was based on ░░░░░░░░ cooperation size between the ░░░░░░░░ were very close since ░░░░░░░░ times of the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ Yeah One enterprise there ░░░░░░░░ to produce components to ░░░░░░░░ assembled both in Russia ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine and vice versa ░░░░░░░░ used to be very ░░░░░░░░ ties A coup d ░░░░░░░░ was committed Although I ░░░░░░░░ not delve into details ░░░░░░░░ as I find doing ░░░░░░░░ inappropriate The US told ░░░░░░░░ calm Yanukovych down and ░░░░░░░░ will calm the opposition ░░░░░░░░ the situation unfold In ░░░░░░░░ scenario of a political ░░░░░░░░ We said all right ░░░░░░░░ let s do it ░░░░░░░░ way As the Americans ░░░░░░░░ Yanukovych did use neither ░░░░░░░░ armed forces nor the ░░░░░░░░ Yet the armed opposition ░░░░░░░░ a coup in Kiev ░░░░░░░░ is that supposed to ░░░░░░░░ Who do you think ░░░░░░░░ are I wanted to ░░░░░░░░ the then US leadership ░░░░░░░░ the backing of whom ░░░░░░░░ the backing of CIA ░░░░░░░░ course the organization you ░░░░░░░░ to join back in ░░░░░░░░ day as I understand ░░░░░░░░ should thank God they ░░░░░░░░ t let you in ░░░░░░░░ it is a serious ░░░░░░░░ I understand My former ░░░░░░░░ a V in the ░░░░░░░░ that I served in ░░░░░░░░ First Main Directorate Soviet ░░░░░░░░ s intelligence service They ░░░░░░░░ always been our opponents ░░░░░░░░ job is a job ░░░░░░░░ they did everything right ░░░░░░░░ achieved their goal of ░░░░░░░░ the government However from ░░░░░░░░ standpoint it was a ░░░░░░░░ mistake Surely it was ░░░░░░░░ leadership s miscalculation They ░░░░░░░░ have seen what it ░░░░░░░░ evolve into So in ░░░░░░░░ the doors of NATO ░░░░░░░░ opened for Ukraine In ░░░░░░░░ there was a coup ░░░░░░░░ started persecuting those who ░░░░░░░░ not accept the coup ░░░░░░░░ it was indeed a ░░░░░░░░ They created the threat ░░░░░░░░ Crimea which we had ░░░░░░░░ take under our protection ░░░░░░░░ launched the war in ░░░░░░░░ in 2014 with the ░░░░░░░░ of aircraft and artillery ░░░░░░░░ civilians This is when ░░░░░░░░ all started There s ░░░░░░░░ video of aircraft attacking ░░░░░░░░ from above They launched ░░░░░░░░ large scale military operation ░░░░░░░░ another one When they ░░░░░░░░ they started to prepare ░░░░░░░░ next one All this ░░░░░░░░ the background of military ░░░░░░░░ of this territory and ░░░░░░░░ of NATO s doors ░░░░░░░░ could we not express ░░░░░░░░ over what was happening ░░░░░░░░ our side this would ░░░░░░░░ been a culpable negligence ░░░░░░░░ s what it would ░░░░░░░░ been It s just ░░░░░░░░ the US political leadership ░░░░░░░░ us to the line ░░░░░░░░ could not cross because ░░░░░░░░ so could have ruined ░░░░░░░░ itself Besides we could ░░░░░░░░ leave our brothers in ░░░░░░░░ In fact just part ░░░░░░░░ Russian people in the ░░░░░░░░ of this war machine ░░░░░░░░ that was eight years ░░░░░░░░ the current conflict started ░░░░░░░░ what was the trigger ░░░░░░░░ you What was the ░░░░░░░░ where you decided you ░░░░░░░░ to do this Initially ░░░░░░░░ was the coup in ░░░░░░░░ that provoked the conflict ░░░░░░░░ the way back then ░░░░░░░░ representatives of three European ░░░░░░░░ Germany Poland and France ░░░░░░░░ but they were the ░░░░░░░░ of the signed agreement ░░░░░░░░ the government of Yanukovych ░░░░░░░░ the opposition They signed ░░░░░░░░ as guarantors Despite that ░░░░░░░░ opposition committed a coup ░░░░░░░░ all these countries pretended ░░░░░░░░ they didn t remember ░░░░░░░░ they were guarantors of ░░░░░░░░ peaceful settlement They just ░░░░░░░░ it in the snow ░░░░░░░░ away And nobody recalls ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ the US know anything ░░░░░░░░ the agreement between the ░░░░░░░░ and the authorities and ░░░░░░░░ three guarantors who instead ░░░░░░░░ bringing this whole situation ░░░░░░░░ in the political field ░░░░░░░░ the coup Although it ░░░░░░░░ meaningless believe me because ░░░░░░░░ Yanukovych agreed to all ░░░░░░░░ he was ready to ░░░░░░░░ an early election which ░░░░░░░░ had no chance of ░░░░░░░░ technically speaking Everyone knew ░░░░░░░░ Then why the coup ░░░░░░░░ the victims Why threatening ░░░░░░░░ Why launching an operation ░░░░░░░░ Donbas This I do ░░░░░░░░ understand That is exactly ░░░░░░░░ the miscalculation is The ░░░░░░░░ did its job to ░░░░░░░░ the coup Think one ░░░░░░░░ the deputy secretaries of ░░░░░░░░ said that they cost ░░░░░░░░ large sum of money ░░░░░░░░ 5 billion Is that ░░░░░░░░ the political mistake was ░░░░░░░░ Why would they have ░░░░░░░░ do that All this ░░░░░░░░ have been done legally ░░░░░░░░ victims without military action ░░░░░░░░ the losing Crimea We ░░░░░░░░ have never considered to ░░░░░░░░ lift the finger if ░░░░░░░░ hadn t been for ░░░░░░░░ bloody developments on Maidan ░░░░░░░░ we agreed with the ░░░░░░░░ that after the collapse ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Union our ░░░░░░░░ should be along the ░░░░░░░░ of former union republics ░░░░░░░░ agreed to that but ░░░░░░░░ never agreed to NATO ░░░░░░░░ expansion and moreover we ░░░░░░░░ agreed that Ukraine should ░░░░░░░░ in NATO We did ░░░░░░░░ agree to NATO bases ░░░░░░░░ without any discussion with ░░░░░░░░ For decades we kept ░░░░░░░░ don t do this ░░░░░░░░ t do that And ░░░░░░░░ triggered the latest events ░░░░░░░░ the current Ukrainian leadership ░░░░░░░░ that it would not ░░░░░░░░ the Minsk agreements which ░░░░░░░░ been signed as you ░░░░░░░░ after the events of ░░░░░░░░ and Minsk or the ░░░░░░░░ of peaceful settlement in ░░░░░░░░ was set forth in ░░░░░░░░ But no the current ░░░░░░░░ leadership foreign minister all ░░░░░░░░ officials and then president ░░░░░░░░ said that they don ░░░░░░░░ like anything about the ░░░░░░░░ agreements Names like politics ░░░░░░░░ and In other words ░░░░░░░░ were not going to ░░░░░░░░ it But but peacefully ░░░░░░░░ was a year or ░░░░░░░░ year and a half ░░░░░░░░ Former leaders of Germany ░░░░░░░░ France said openly to ░░░░░░░░ whole World it s ░░░░░░░░ solution in Minsk That ░░░░░░░░ indeed signed the Minsk ░░░░░░░░ but they never intended ░░░░░░░░ implement them and they ░░░░░░░░ led us by the ░░░░░░░░ Was there anyone for ░░░░░░░░ to talk to Did ░░░░░░░░ call our President and ░░░░░░░░ of state and say ░░░░░░░░ you keep militarizing Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ NATO forces this is ░░░░░░░░ to get a good ░░░░░░░░ is going to be ░░░░░░░░ we re going to ░░░░░░░░ Stay on the bottom ░░░░░░░░ Stay on the go ░░░░░░░░ we go But I ░░░░░░░░ we Talked about this ░░░░░░░░ the time We addressed ░░░░░░░░ United States and European ░░░░░░░░ leadership to stop these ░░░░░░░░ immediately So implement the ░░░░░░░░ agreements But frankly speaking ░░░░░░░░ didn t know how ░░░░░░░░ were going to do ░░░░░░░░ But I was ready ░░░░░░░░ implement them These agreements ░░░░░░░░ complicated for Ukraine They ░░░░░░░░ lots of elements of ░░░░░░░░ Donbas territories Independence That ░░░░░░░░ true However I was ░░░░░░░░ confident And I m ░░░░░░░░ this to you now ░░░░░░░░ honestly believe that if ░░░░░░░░ managed to convince the ░░░░░░░░ of Donbass and we ░░░░░░░░ to work hard to ░░░░░░░░ them to return to ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainian statehood then gradually ░░░░░░░░ ones would start to ░░░░░░░░ But when this part ░░░░░░░░ territory reintegrated itself into ░░░░░░░░ common social environment when ░░░░░░░░ pensions and social benefits ░░░░░░░░ paid again all the ░░░░░░░░ would gradually fall into ░░░░░░░░ Nobody wanted that Everybody ░░░░░░░░ to resolve the issue ░░░░░░░░ military force only But ░░░░░░░░ could not let that ░░░░░░░░ And the situation got ░░░░░░░░ the point when the ░░░░░░░░ side announced no we ░░░░░░░░ not do anything They ░░░░░░░░ started preparing for military ░░░░░░░░ Why Naturally it was ░░░░░░░░ who started the war ░░░░░░░░ 2014 Our goal is ░░░░░░░░ stop this war And ░░░░░░░░ did not start this ░░░░░░░░ in 2022 This is ░░░░░░░░ attempt to stop it ░░░░░░░░ you think you ve ░░░░░░░░ it now I mean ░░░░░░░░ you achieved your aims ░░░░░░░░ We haven t achieved ░░░░░░░░ aims yet because one ░░░░░░░░ them is de nazification ░░░░░░░░ means the prohibition of ░░░░░░░░ kinds of neo Nazi ░░░░░░░░ This is one of ░░░░░░░░ problems that we discussed ░░░░░░░░ the negotiation process which ░░░░░░░░ in Istanbul early this ░░░░░░░░ Resolutions Istanbul You know ░░░░░░░░ know and And it ░░░░░░░░ not our initiative because ░░░░░░░░ were told by the ░░░░░░░░ in particular that it ░░░░░░░░ necessary to create conditions ░░░░░░░░ the final signing of ░░░░░░░░ documents My counterparts in ░░░░░░░░ in Germany said German ░░░░░░░░ know How can you ░░░░░░░░ them signing a treaty ░░░░░░░░ a gun to their ░░░░░░░░ like this The troops ░░░░░░░░ be pulled back from ░░░░░░░░ I said all right ░░░░░░░░ withdrew the troops from ░░░░░░░░ Using it at a ░░░░░░░░ As soon as we ░░░░░░░░ back our troops from ░░░░░░░░ Our Ukrainian negotiators immediately ░░░░░░░░ all our agreements reached ░░░░░░░░ Istanbul into the Bin ░░░░░░░░ distribute Istanbul And got ░░░░░░░░ for a long standing ░░░░░░░░ confrontation with the help ░░░░░░░░ the United States and ░░░░░░░░ satellites in Europe And ░░░░░░░░ is how the situation ░░░░░░░░ developed and that is ░░░░░░░░ it looks now So ░░░░░░░░ what is what is ░░░░░░░░ nazification What would that ░░░░░░░░ then What do you ░░░░░░░░ do you have to ░░░░░░░░ with them Scuzzy And ░░░░░░░░ s your version of ░░░░░░░░ process then is difficult ░░░░░░░░ is what I want ░░░░░░░░ talk about right now ░░░░░░░░ is a very important ░░░░░░░░ De nazification After gaining ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine began to search ░░░░░░░░ some Western analysts say ░░░░░░░░ identity Well if the ░░░░░░░░ you know And it ░░░░░░░░ up with nothing better ░░░░░░░░ to build this identity ░░░░░░░░ some false heroes who ░░░░░░░░ with Hitler I have ░░░░░░░░ said that in the ░░░░░░░░ 19th century when the ░░░░░░░░ of independence and sovereignty ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine appeared they assumed ░░░░░░░░ an independent Ukraine should ░░░░░░░░ very good relations with ░░░░░░░░ But due to the ░░░░░░░░ development those territories were ░░░░░░░░ of the Polish Lithuanian ░░░░░░░░ Poland where Ukrainians were ░░░░░░░░ and treated quite brutally ░░░░░░░░ well as were subject ░░░░░░░░ cruel behavior Intuitionist and ░░░░░░░░ subversion Just two short ░░░░░░░░ There were also attempts ░░░░░░░░ destroy their identity This ░░░░░░░░ in the memory of ░░░░░░░░ people When World War ░░░░░░░░ broke out part of ░░░░░░░░ extremely nationalist elite collaborated ░░░░░░░░ Hitler believing that he ░░░░░░░░ bring them freedom Not ░░░░░░░░ closer to them but ░░░░░░░░ like the German troops ░░░░░░░░ the SS troops made ░░░░░░░░ s collaborators do the ░░░░░░░░ work of exterminating the ░░░░░░░░ and Jewish population Hence ░░░░░░░░ brutal massacre of the ░░░░░░░░ and Jewish population as ░░░░░░░░ as the Russian population ░░░░░░░░ was led by the ░░░░░░░░ who are well known ░░░░░░░░ Shukhevych It was those ░░░░░░░░ who were made national ░░░░░░░░ That is the problem ░░░░░░░░ we are constantly told ░░░░░░░░ nationalism and neo Nazism ░░░░░░░░ in other countries as ░░░░░░░░ Yes they are seedlings ░░░░░░░░ we uproot them And ░░░░░░░░ countries fight against them ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine is not the ░░░░░░░░ These people have been ░░░░░░░░ into a national heroes ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine Monuments to those ░░░░░░░░ have been erected They ░░░░░░░░ displayed and flags Their ░░░░░░░░ are shouted by crowds ░░░░░░░░ walk with torches as ░░░░░░░░ was in Nazi Germany ░░░░░░░░ These were people who ░░░░░░░░ Poles Jews and Russians ░░░░░░░░ is necessary to stop ░░░░░░░░ practice and prevent the ░░░░░░░░ of this concept I ░░░░░░░░ that the Ukrainians are ░░░░░░░░ of the one Russian ░░░░░░░░ They say no we ░░░░░░░░ a separate people Okay ░░░░░░░░ If they consider themselves ░░░░░░░░ separate people they have ░░░░░░░░ right to do so ░░░░░░░░ not on the basis ░░░░░░░░ Nazism the Nazi ideology ░░░░░░░░ you be satisfied with ░░░░░░░░ territory that you have ░░░░░░░░ I will finish answering ░░░░░░░░ question You just asked ░░░░░░░░ question about neo Nazism ░░░░░░░░ denazification The president of ░░░░░░░░ visited Canada The story ░░░░░░░░ well known but being ░░░░░░░░ in the Western countries ░░░░░░░░ Canadian Parliament introduced the ░░░░░░░░ who as the speaker ░░░░░░░░ the Parliament said fought ░░░░░░░░ the Russians during the ░░░░░░░░ War II Well who ░░░░░░░░ against the Russians during ░░░░░░░░ World War two Hitler ░░░░░░░░ his accomplices And it ░░░░░░░░ out that this man ░░░░░░░░ in the SS troops ░░░░░░░░ personally killed the Russians ░░░░░░░░ and Jews The US ░░░░░░░░ consisted of Ukrainian nationalists ░░░░░░░░ did this dirty work ░░░░░░░░ president of Ukraine stood ░░░░░░░░ with the entire Parliament ░░░░░░░░ Canada and applauded this ░░░░░░░░ How can this be ░░░░░░░░ The President of Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ by the way is ░░░░░░░░ Jew by nationality Really ░░░░░░░░ question is what do ░░░░░░░░ do about it I ░░░░░░░░ Hitler has been dead ░░░░░░░░ 80 years Nazi Germany ░░░░░░░░ longer exists And so ░░░░░░░░ And so I think ░░░░░░░░ you re saying is ░░░░░░░░ want to extinguish or ░░░░░░░░ least control Ukrainian nationalism ░░░░░░░░ how How do you ░░░░░░░░ that Listen to me ░░░░░░░░ question is very subtle ░░░░░░░░ I can tell you ░░░░░░░░ I think Do not ░░░░░░░░ offense Of course This ░░░░░░░░ appears to be subtle ░░░░░░░░ is Quite pesky You ░░░░░░░░ Hitler has been dead ░░░░░░░░ so many years 80 ░░░░░░░░ But his example lives ░░░░░░░░ The people who exterminate ░░░░░░░░ Jews Russians or poles ░░░░░░░░ alive And the president ░░░░░░░░ current president of today ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine applauds him in ░░░░░░░░ Canadian Parliament gives a ░░░░░░░░ ovation Can we say ░░░░░░░░ we have completely uprooted ░░░░░░░░ ideology If what we ░░░░░░░░ is happening today that ░░░░░░░░ what De nazification is ░░░░░░░░ our understanding We have ░░░░░░░░ get rid of those ░░░░░░░░ who maintain this concept ░░░░░░░░ support this practice and ░░░░░░░░ to preserve it That ░░░░░░░░ what De nazification is ░░░░░░░░ is what we mean ░░░░░░░░ My question was more ░░░░░░░░ It was of course ░░░░░░░░ a defense of Nazis ░░░░░░░░ or otherwise It was ░░░░░░░░ practical question You don ░░░░░░░░ control the entire country ░░░░░░░░ don t control Kiev ░░░░░░░░ don t seem like ░░░░░░░░ want to So how ░░░░░░░░ do you will eliminate ░░░░░░░░ culture or an ideology ░░░░░░░░ feelings or a view ░░░░░░░░ history in a country ░░░░░░░░ you don t control ░░░░░░░░ do you do about ░░░░░░░░ You know as strange ░░░░░░░░ it may seem to ░░░░░░░░ during the negotiations at ░░░░░░░░ we did agree that ░░░░░░░░ have it all in ░░░░░░░░ Neo Nazism would not ░░░░░░░░ cultivated in Ukraine including ░░░░░░░░ it would be prohibited ░░░░░░░░ the legislative level Mr ░░░░░░░░ we agreed on that ░░░░░░░░ it turns out can ░░░░░░░░ done during the negotiation ░░░░░░░░ And there s nothing ░░░░░░░░ for Ukraine as a ░░░░░░░░ civilized state Is there ░░░░░░░░ state allowed to promote ░░░░░░░░ It is not is ░░░░░░░░ Oh that is it ░░░░░░░░ there be talks And ░░░░░░░░ haven t there been ░░░░░░░░ about resolving the conflict ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine Peace talks There ░░░░░░░░ been they reached a ░░░░░░░░ high stage of coordination ░░░░░░░░ positions in a complex ░░░░░░░░ but still they were ░░░░░░░░ finalized But after we ░░░░░░░░ our troops from Kiev ░░░░░░░░ I have already said ░░░░░░░░ other side threw away ░░░░░░░░ these agreements and obeyed ░░░░░░░░ instructions of Western countries ░░░░░░░░ countries and the United ░░░░░░░░ to fight Russia to ░░░░░░░░ bitter end Moreover the ░░░░░░░░ of Ukraine has legislated ░░░░░░░░ ban on negotiating with ░░░░░░░░ He signed a decree ░░░░░░░░ everyone to negotiate with ░░░░░░░░ But how are we ░░░░░░░░ to negotiate if he ░░░░░░░░ himself and everyone to ░░░░░░░░ this We know that ░░░░░░░░ is putting forward some ░░░░░░░░ about this settlement but ░░░░░░░░ order to agree on ░░░░░░░░ we need to have ░░░░░░░░ dialog Is that not ░░░░░░░░ Well but you wouldn ░░░░░░░░ be speaking to the ░░░░░░░░ president You d be ░░░░░░░░ to the American president ░░░░░░░░ was the last time ░░░░░░░░ spoke to Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ I cannot remember when ░░░░░░░░ talked to him I ░░░░░░░░ not remember We can ░░░░░░░░ it up You don ░░░░░░░░ remember No Why Do ░░░░░░░░ have to remember everything ░░░░░░░░ have my own things ░░░░░░░░ do We have domestic ░░░░░░░░ affairs Well he s ░░░░░░░░ the war that you ░░░░░░░░ fighting so I would ░░░░░░░░ that would be memorable ░░░░░░░░ yes he funds but ░░░░░░░░ talked to him before ░░░░░░░░ special military operation of ░░░░░░░░ And I said to ░░░░░░░░ then by the way ░░░░░░░░ will not go into ░░░░░░░░ I never do But ░░░░░░░░ said to him then ░░░░░░░░ believe that you are ░░░░░░░░ a huge mistake of ░░░░░░░░ proportions by supporting everything ░░░░░░░░ is happening there in ░░░░░░░░ by pushing Russia away ░░░░░░░░ told him told him ░░░░░░░░ by the way I ░░░░░░░░ that would be correct ░░░░░░░░ I stop here What ░░░░░░░░ he say Ask him ░░░░░░░░ it is easier for ░░░░░░░░ You are a citizen ░░░░░░░░ the United States Go ░░░░░░░░ ask him It is ░░░░░░░░ appropriate for me to ░░░░░░░░ on our conversation But ░░░░░░░░ haven t spoken to ░░░░░░░░ since before February of ░░░░░░░░ No we haven t ░░░░░░░░ Certain contacts are being ░░░░░░░░ though Speaking of which ░░░░░░░░ you remember what I ░░░░░░░░ you about my proposal ░░░░░░░░ work together on a ░░░░░░░░ defense system Yes You ░░░░░░░░ ask all of them ░░░░░░░░ of them are safe ░░░░░░░░ sound thank God The ░░░░░░░░ President Condoleezza is safe ░░░░░░░░ sound And I think ░░░░░░░░ Gates and the current ░░░░░░░░ of the intelligence agency ░░░░░░░░ Burns the then ambassador ░░░░░░░░ Russia in my opinion ░░░░░░░░ very successful ambassador They ░░░░░░░░ all witnesses to these ░░░░░░░░ Ask them Same here ░░░░░░░░ you are interested in ░░░░░░░░ Mr President Biden responded ░░░░░░░░ me ask him At ░░░░░░░░ rate I talk to ░░░░░░░░ about it I m ░░░░░░░░ interested But from the ░░░░░░░░ it seems like this ░░░░░░░░ devolve or evolve into ░░░░░░░░ that brings the entire ░░░░░░░░ into conflict and could ░░░░░░░░ initiate some nuclear launch ░░░░░░░░ so why don t ░░░░░░░░ just call Biden and ░░░░░░░░ let s work this ░░░░░░░░ What s there to ░░░░░░░░ out It s very ░░░░░░░░ I repeat we have ░░░░░░░░ through various agencies I ░░░░░░░░ tell you what we ░░░░░░░░ saying on this matter ░░░░░░░░ what we are conveying ░░░░░░░░ the US leadership If ░░░░░░░░ really want to stop ░░░░░░░░ you need to stop ░░░░░░░░ weapons It will be ░░░░░░░░ within a few weeks ░░░░░░░░ s it And then ░░░░░░░░ can agree on some ░░░░░░░░ before you do that ░░░░░░░░ What s easier Why ░░░░░░░░ I call him What ░░░░░░░░ I talk to him ░░░░░░░░ Or beg him for ░░░░░░░░ And what messages do ░░░░░░░░ get back You were ░░░░░░░░ to deliver such and ░░░░░░░░ weapons to Ukraine Oh ░░░░░░░░ m afraid I m ░░░░░░░░ Please don t What ░░░░░░░░ there to talk about ░░░░░░░░ you think NATO is ░░░░░░░░ about this becoming a ░░░░░░░░ war or a nuclear ░░░░░░░░ At least that s ░░░░░░░░ they re talking about ░░░░░░░░ they re trying to ░░░░░░░░ their own population with ░░░░░░░░ imaginary Russian threat This ░░░░░░░░ an obvious fact And ░░░░░░░░ people not philistines but ░░░░░░░░ people analysts those who ░░░░░░░░ engaged in real politics ░░░░░░░░ smart people understand perfectly ░░░░░░░░ that this is a ░░░░░░░░ They re trying to ░░░░░░░░ the Russian threat The ░░░░░░░░ I think you re ░░░░░░░░ to is a Russian ░░░░░░░░ of Poland Latvia Expansionist ░░░░░░░░ Can you imagine a ░░░░░░░░ where you send Russian ░░░░░░░░ to Poland Only in ░░░░░░░░ case if Poland attacks ░░░░░░░░ Why Because we have ░░░░░░░░ interest in Poland Latvia ░░░░░░░░ anywhere else Why would ░░░░░░░░ do that We simply ░░░░░░░░ t have any interest ░░░░░░░░ s just threat mongering ░░░░░░░░ the argument I know ░░░░░░░░ know this is that ░░░░░░░░ he invaded Ukraine He ░░░░░░░░ territorial aims across the ░░░░░░░░ And you re saying ░░░░░░░░ you don t It ░░░░░░░░ absolutely out of the ░░░░░░░░ You just don t ░░░░░░░░ to be any kind ░░░░░░░░ analyst It goes against ░░░░░░░░ sense to get involved ░░░░░░░░ some kind of a ░░░░░░░░ war and a global ░░░░░░░░ will bring all humanity ░░░░░░░░ the brink of destruction ░░░░░░░░ s obvious There are ░░░░░░░░ means of deterrence They ░░░░░░░░ been scaring everyone with ░░░░░░░░ all along Tomorrow Russia ░░░░░░░░ use tactical nuclear weapons ░░░░░░░░ Russia will use that ░░░░░░░░ the day after tomorrow ░░░░░░░░ what In order to ░░░░░░░░ additional money from U ░░░░░░░░ taxpayers and European taxpayers ░░░░░░░░ the confrontation with Russia ░░░░░░░░ the Ukrainian theater of ░░░░░░░░ But the goal is ░░░░░░░░ weaken Russia as much ░░░░░░░░ possible One of our ░░░░░░░░ United States senators from ░░░░░░░░ state of New York ░░░░░░░░ Schumer said yesterday I ░░░░░░░░ that we have to ░░░░░░░░ to fund the Ukrainian ░░░░░░░░ or U S soldier ░░░░░░░░ could wind up fighting ░░░░░░░░ How do you assess ░░░░░░░░ This is a provocation ░░░░░░░░ a cheap provocation at ░░░░░░░░ I do not understand ░░░░░░░░ American soldiers should fight ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine They are mercenaries ░░░░░░░░ the United States They ░░░░░░░░ the bigger number of ░░░░░░░░ comes from Poland with ░░░░░░░░ from the United States ░░░░░░░░ second place and mercenaries ░░░░░░░░ Georgia in third place ░░░░░░░░ if somebody has the ░░░░░░░░ to send regular troops ░░░░░░░░ would certainly bring humanity ░░░░░░░░ the brink of a ░░░░░░░░ serious global conflict This ░░░░░░░░ obvious Do the United ░░░░░░░░ need this What for ░░░░░░░░ of miles away from ░░░░░░░░ national territory Don t ░░░░░░░░ have anything better to ░░░░░░░░ You have issues on ░░░░░░░░ border Issues with migration ░░░░░░░░ with the national debt ░░░░░░░░ than 33 trillion You ░░░░░░░░ nothing better to do ░░░░░░░░ you should fight in ░░░░░░░░ Wouldn t it be ░░░░░░░░ to negotiate with Russia ░░░░░░░░ an agreement Already understanding ░░░░░░░░ situation that is developing ░░░░░░░░ realizing that Russia will ░░░░░░░░ for its interests to ░░░░░░░░ end And realizing this ░░░░░░░░ a return to common ░░░░░░░░ start respecting our country ░░░░░░░░ its interests and look ░░░░░░░░ certain solutions It seems ░░░░░░░░ me that this is ░░░░░░░░ smarter and more rational ░░░░░░░░ blew up Nord Stream ░░░░░░░░ for sure I was ░░░░░░░░ that day I did ░░░░░░░░ blow up Nord Stream ░░░░░░░░ you though You personally ░░░░░░░░ have an alibi but ░░░░░░░░ CIA has no such ░░░░░░░░ Did you have evidence ░░░░░░░░ NATO or the CIA ░░░░░░░░ it You know I ░░░░░░░░ t get into details ░░░░░░░░ people always say in ░░░░░░░░ cases look for someone ░░░░░░░░ is interested But in ░░░░░░░░ case we should not ░░░░░░░░ look for someone who ░░░░░░░░ interested but also for ░░░░░░░░ who has capabilities because ░░░░░░░░ may be many people ░░░░░░░░ but not all of ░░░░░░░░ are capable of sinking ░░░░░░░░ the bottom of the ░░░░░░░░ Sea and carrying out ░░░░░░░░ explosion These two components ░░░░░░░░ be connected Who is ░░░░░░░░ and who is capable ░░░░░░░░ doing it But I ░░░░░░░░ confused I mean that ░░░░░░░░ the biggest act of ░░░░░░░░ terrorism ever and it ░░░░░░░░ the largest emission of ░░░░░░░░ in history Okay so ░░░░░░░░ you had evidence and ░░░░░░░░ given your security services ░░░░░░░░ Intel services you would ░░░░░░░░ NATO the US CIA ░░░░░░░░ West did this why ░░░░░░░░ t you present it ░░░░░░░░ win a propaganda victory ░░░░░░░░ the war of propaganda ░░░░░░░░ is very difficult to ░░░░░░░░ the United States because ░░░░░░░░ United States controls all ░░░░░░░░ world s media and ░░░░░░░░ European media The ultimate ░░░░░░░░ of the biggest European ░░░░░░░░ are American financial institutions ░░░░░░░░ t you know that ░░░░░░░░ it is possible to ░░░░░░░░ involved in this work ░░░░░░░░ it is cost prohibitive ░░░░░░░░ to speak We can ░░░░░░░░ shine the spotlight on ░░░░░░░░ sources of information and ░░░░░░░░ will not achieve results ░░░░░░░░ is clear to the ░░░░░░░░ world what happened then ░░░░░░░░ American analysts talk about ░░░░░░░░ directly It s true ░░░░░░░░ I but here s ░░░░░░░░ question you may able ░░░░░░░░ answer You worked in ░░░░░░░░ famously The Germans clearly ░░░░░░░░ that their NATO partner ░░░░░░░░ this but they And ░░░░░░░░ damaged their economy greatly ░░░░░░░░ may never recover Why ░░░░░░░░ they being silent about ░░░░░░░░ That s very confusing ░░░░░░░░ me Why wouldn t ░░░░░░░░ Germans say something about ░░░░░░░░ This also confuses me ░░░░░░░░ today s German leadership ░░░░░░░░ guided by the interests ░░░░░░░░ the collective West rather ░░░░░░░░ its national interests Otherwise ░░░░░░░░ is difficult to explain ░░░░░░░░ logic of their action ░░░░░░░░ inaction After all it ░░░░░░░░ not only about Nord ░░░░░░░░ one which was blowing ░░░░░░░░ and the Nord Stream ░░░░░░░░ was damaged but one ░░░░░░░░ is safe and sound ░░░░░░░░ gas can be supplied ░░░░░░░░ Europe through it But ░░░░░░░░ does not open it ░░░░░░░░ are ready Please There ░░░░░░░░ another route through Poland ░░░░░░░░ Yamal Europe which also ░░░░░░░░ for large flow Poland ░░░░░░░░ closed it but Poland ░░░░░░░░ from the German hand ░░░░░░░░ receives money from the ░░░░░░░░ European funds and Germany ░░░░░░░░ the main donor to ░░░░░░░░ pan European funds Germany ░░░░░░░░ Poland to a certain ░░░░░░░░ and they close their ░░░░░░░░ to Germany Why I ░░░░░░░░ t understand Ukraine to ░░░░░░░░ the Germans supply weapons ░░░░░░░░ give money Germany is ░░░░░░░░ second sponsor of the ░░░░░░░░ States in terms of ░░░░░░░░ aid to Ukraine There ░░░░░░░░ two gas routes through ░░░░░░░░ They simply closed one ░░░░░░░░ The Ukrainians Open the ░░░░░░░░ route And please get ░░░░░░░░ from Russia They do ░░░░░░░░ open it Why don ░░░░░░░░ the Germans say look ░░░░░░░░ we give you money ░░░░░░░░ weapons Open up the ░░░░░░░░ Please let the gas ░░░░░░░░ Russia pass through for ░░░░░░░░ We are buying liquefied ░░░░░░░░ at exorbitant prices in ░░░░░░░░ which brings the level ░░░░░░░░ our competitiveness and economy ░░░░░░░░ general down to zero ░░░░░░░░ do you want us ░░░░░░░░ give you money Let ░░░░░░░░ have the decent existence ░░░░░░░░ make money for our ░░░░░░░░ because this is where ░░░░░░░░ money we give you ░░░░░░░░ from They refuse to ░░░░░░░░ so Why Ask them ░░░░░░░░ is what is like ░░░░░░░░ their heads Those are ░░░░░░░░ incompetent people Well maybe ░░░░░░░░ world is breaking into ░░░░░░░░ hemispheres One with cheap ░░░░░░░░ the other without And ░░░░░░░░ want to ask you ░░░░░░░░ if if we re ░░░░░░░░ a multipolar world obviously ░░░░░░░░ are Can you describe ░░░░░░░░ blocks of alliances Who ░░░░░░░░ in each side Do ░░░░░░░░ think Listen you have ░░░░░░░░ that the world is ░░░░░░░░ into two hemispheres A ░░░░░░░░ brain is divided into ░░░░░░░░ hemispheres At least one ░░░░░░░░ responsible for one type ░░░░░░░░ activities The other one ░░░░░░░░ more about creativity and ░░░░░░░░ on But it is ░░░░░░░░ one and the same ░░░░░░░░ I the world should ░░░░░░░░ a single whole Security ░░░░░░░░ be shared rather than ░░░░░░░░ meant for the golden ░░░░░░░░ That is the only ░░░░░░░░ where the world could ░░░░░░░░ stable sustainable and predictable ░░░░░░░░ then while the head ░░░░░░░░ split in two parts ░░░░░░░░ is an illness a ░░░░░░░░ adverse condition It is ░░░░░░░░ period of severe disease ░░░░░░░░ the world is going ░░░░░░░░ now But I think ░░░░░░░░ thanks to honest journalism ░░░░░░░░ work is akin to ░░░░░░░░ work of the doctors ░░░░░░░░ could somehow be remedied ░░░░░░░░ let s just give ░░░░░░░░ example The the U ░░░░░░░░ dollar which has kind ░░░░░░░░ united the world in ░░░░░░░░ lot of ways maybe ░░░░░░░░ to your advantage but ░░░░░░░░ to ours Is that ░░░░░░░░ away as the reserve ░░░░░░░░ the com the universally ░░░░░░░░ currency How have sanctions ░░░░░░░░ you think changed the ░░░░░░░░ s place in the ░░░░░░░░ You know to use ░░░░░░░░ dollar as a tool ░░░░░░░░ foreign policy struggle is ░░░░░░░░ of the biggest strategic ░░░░░░░░ made by the US ░░░░░░░░ leadership The dollar is ░░░░░░░░ cornerstone of the United ░░░░░░░░ power I think everyone ░░░░░░░░ very well that no ░░░░░░░░ how many dollars are ░░░░░░░░ they re quickly dispersed ░░░░░░░░ over the Inflation in ░░░░░░░░ United States is minimal ░░░░░░░░ s about 3 or ░░░░░░░░ 4 which is I ░░░░░░░░ totally acceptable for the ░░░░░░░░ But they won t ░░░░░░░░ printing What does the ░░░░░░░░ of 33 trillion tell ░░░░░░░░ about It is about ░░░░░░░░ emission Nevertheless it is ░░░░░░░░ main weapon used by ░░░░░░░░ United States to preserve ░░░░░░░░ power across the world ░░░░░░░░ soon as the political ░░░░░░░░ decided to use the ░░░░░░░░ dollar as a tool ░░░░░░░░ political struggle a blow ░░░░░░░░ dealt to this American ░░░░░░░░ I would not like ░░░░░░░░ use any strong language ░░░░░░░░ it is a stupid ░░░░░░░░ to do and a ░░░░░░░░ mistake Look at what ░░░░░░░░ going on in the ░░░░░░░░ Even the United States ░░░░░░░░ are now downsizing their ░░░░░░░░ reserves Seeing this everyone ░░░░░░░░ looking for ways to ░░░░░░░░ themselves But the fact ░░░░░░░░ the United States applies ░░░░░░░░ measures to certain countries ░░░░░░░░ as placing restrictions on ░░░░░░░░ freezing assets etc causes ░░░░░░░░ concern and sends a ░░░░░░░░ to the whole world ░░░░░░░░ did we have here ░░░░░░░░ 2022 about 80 of ░░░░░░░░ foreign trade transactions were ░░░░░░░░ in US dollars and ░░░░░░░░ U S dollars accounted ░░░░░░░░ approximately 50 of our ░░░░░░░░ with third countries Well ░░░░░░░░ it is down to ░░░░░░░░ It wasn t us ░░░░░░░░ banned the use of ░░░░░░░░ US dollar We had ░░░░░░░░ such intention It was ░░░░░░░░ decision of the United ░░░░░░░░ to restrict our transactions ░░░░░░░░ U S dollars I ░░░░░░░░ it is complete foolishness ░░░░░░░░ the point of view ░░░░░░░░ the interests of the ░░░░░░░░ States itself and its ░░░░░░░░ as it damages the ░░░░░░░░ S economy undermines the ░░░░░░░░ of the United States ░░░░░░░░ the world By the ░░░░░░░░ our transactions in yuan ░░░░░░░░ for about 3 Today ░░░░░░░░ of our transactions are ░░░░░░░░ in rubles and about ░░░░░░░░ much A little over ░░░░░░░░ in yuan Why did ░░░░░░░░ United States do this ░░░░░░░░ only guess is self ░░░░░░░░ They probably thought it ░░░░░░░░ lead to full collapse ░░░░░░░░ nothing collapsed Moreover other ░░░░░░░░ including oil producers are ░░░░░░░░ of and already accepting ░░░░░░░░ for oil in yuan ░░░░░░░░ you even realize what ░░░░░░░░ going on or not ░░░░░░░░ anyone in the United ░░░░░░░░ realize this What are ░░░░░░░░ doing You are cutting ░░░░░░░░ off All experts say ░░░░░░░░ Ask any intelligent and ░░░░░░░░ person in the United ░░░░░░░░ what the dollar means ░░░░░░░░ the US But you ░░░░░░░░ killing it with your ░░░░░░░░ hands I think that ░░░░░░░░ I think that s ░░░░░░░░ fair assessment The question ░░░░░░░░ what comes next And ░░░░░░░░ you trade one colonial ░░░░░░░░ for another much less ░░░░░░░░ and forgiving colonial power ░░░░░░░░ mean or is the ░░░░░░░░ BRICs for example in ░░░░░░░░ of being completely dominated ░░░░░░░░ the Chinese the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ In a way that ░░░░░░░░ not good for their ░░░░░░░░ Do you worry about ░░░░░░░░ Well we have heard ░░░░░░░░ boogeyman stories before It ░░░░░░░░ a boogeyman story We ░░░░░░░░ neighbors with China You ░░░░░░░░ choose neighbors just as ░░░░░░░░ cannot choose close relatives ░░░░░░░░ share a border of ░░░░░░░░ with them This is ░░░░░░░░ one Second we have ░░░░░░░░ centuries long history of ░░░░░░░░ We re used to ░░░░░░░░ Third China s foreign ░░░░░░░░ philosophy is not aggressive ░░░░░░░░ idea is to always ░░░░░░░░ for compromise And we ░░░░░░░░ see that And that ░░░░░░░░ the next point is ░░░░░░░░ follows We are always ░░░░░░░░ the same boogeyman story ░░░░░░░░ here it goes again ░░░░░░░░ in euphemistic form But ░░░░░░░░ is still the same ░░░░░░░░ story The cooperation with ░░░░░░░░ keeps increasing the pace ░░░░░░░░ which China s cooperation ░░░░░░░░ Europe is growing is ░░░░░░░░ and greater than that ░░░░░░░░ the growth of Chinese ░░░░░░░░ cooperation If you ask ░░░░░░░░ aren t they afraid ░░░░░░░░ might be I don ░░░░░░░░ know But they are ░░░░░░░░ trying to access China ░░░░░░░░ market at all costs ░░░░░░░░ now that they are ░░░░░░░░ economic problems Chinese businesses ░░░░░░░░ also exploring the European ░░░░░░░░ Do Chinese businesses have ░░░░░░░░ presence in the United ░░░░░░░░ Yes The political decisions ░░░░░░░░ such that they are ░░░░░░░░ to limit the cooperation ░░░░░░░░ China It is to ░░░░░░░░ own detriment Mr Tucker ░░░░░░░░ you are limiting cooperation ░░░░░░░░ China You are hurting ░░░░░░░░ It is a delicate ░░░░░░░░ and there are no ░░░░░░░░ bullet solutions just as ░░░░░░░░ is with the dollar ░░░░░░░░ before introducing any illegitimate ░░░░░░░░ illegitimate in terms of ░░░░░░░░ charter of the United ░░░░░░░░ one should think very ░░░░░░░░ for decision makers This ░░░░░░░░ to be a problem ░░░░░░░░ you said a moment ░░░░░░░░ that the world would ░░░░░░░░ a lot better if ░░░░░░░░ weren t broken into ░░░░░░░░ alliances if there was ░░░░░░░░ globally One of the ░░░░░░░░ you don t have ░░░░░░░░ is because the current ░░░░░░░░ administration is dead set ░░░░░░░░ you Do you think ░░░░░░░░ there were a new ░░░░░░░░ after Joe Biden that ░░░░░░░░ would be able to ░░░░░░░░ communication with the U ░░░░░░░░ government Or does it ░░░░░░░░ matter who the president ░░░░░░░░ I will tell you ░░░░░░░░ let me finish the ░░░░░░░░ thought We together with ░░░░░░░░ colleague and friend President ░░░░░░░░ Jinping set their goal ░░░░░░░░ reach 200 billion of ░░░░░░░░ trade with China this ░░░░░░░░ We have exceeded this ░░░░░░░░ According to our figures ░░░░░░░░ bilateral trade with China ░░░░░░░░ already 230 billion And ░░░░░░░░ Chinese statistics says it ░░░░░░░░ 240 billion One more ░░░░░░░░ thing Our trade is ░░░░░░░░ balanced mutually complementary in ░░░░░░░░ tech energy scientific research ░░░░░░░░ development It is very ░░░░░░░░ As for BRICs where ░░░░░░░░ took over the presidency ░░░░░░░░ year the BRICs countries ░░░░░░░░ by and large developing ░░░░░░░░ rapidly Look if memory ░░░░░░░░ me right back in ░░░░░░░░ the share of the ░░░░░░░░ countries in the world ░░░░░░░░ amounted to 47 whereas ░░░░░░░░ 2022 it was down ░░░░░░░░ I think a little ░░░░░░░░ 30 The BRICs countries ░░░░░░░░ for only 16 in ░░░░░░░░ but now their share ░░░░░░░░ greater than that of ░░░░░░░░ G7 It has nothing ░░░░░░░░ do with the events ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine This is due ░░░░░░░░ the trends of global ░░░░░░░░ and world economy as ░░░░░░░░ mentioned just now And ░░░░░░░░ is inevitable This will ░░░░░░░░ happening It is like ░░░░░░░░ rays of the sun ░░░░░░░░ cannot prevent the sun ░░░░░░░░ rising You have to ░░░░░░░░ to it How do ░░░░░░░░ United States adapt with ░░░░░░░░ help of force sanctions ░░░░░░░░ bombings and use of ░░░░░░░░ forces This is about ░░░░░░░░ conceit Your political establishment ░░░░░░░░ not understand that the ░░░░░░░░ is changing under objective ░░░░░░░░ And in order to ░░░░░░░░ your level even if ░░░░░░░░ aspires pardon me to ░░░░░░░░ level of dominance You ░░░░░░░░ to make the right ░░░░░░░░ in a competent and ░░░░░░░░ manner Such brutal actions ░░░░░░░░ with regard to Russia ░░░░░░░░ say other countries are ░░░░░░░░ This is an obvious ░░░░░░░░ It has already become ░░░░░░░░ You just asked me ░░░░░░░░ another leader comes and ░░░░░░░░ something It is not ░░░░░░░░ the leader It is ░░░░░░░░ about the personality of ░░░░░░░░ particular person I had ░░░░░░░░ very good relationship with ░░░░░░░░ Bush I know that ░░░░░░░░ the United States he ░░░░░░░░ portrayed as some kind ░░░░░░░░ a country boy who ░░░░░░░░ not understand much I ░░░░░░░░ you that this is ░░░░░░░░ the case I think ░░░░░░░░ made a lot of ░░░░░░░░ with regard to Russia ░░░░░░░░ I told you about ░░░░░░░░ and the decision in ░░░░░░░░ to open the NATO ░░░░░░░░ doors to for Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ so on That happened ░░░░░░░░ his presidency He actually ░░░░░░░░ pressure on the Europeans ░░░░░░░░ in general on a ░░░░░░░░ human level I had ░░░░░░░░ very good relationship with ░░░░░░░░ He was no worse ░░░░░░░░ any other American or ░░░░░░░░ or European politician I ░░░░░░░░ you he understood what ░░░░░░░░ was doing as well ░░░░░░░░ others I had such ░░░░░░░░ relationship with Trump as ░░░░░░░░ It is not about ░░░░░░░░ personality of the leader ░░░░░░░░ is about the elites ░░░░░░░░ leader deal If the ░░░░░░░░ of domination at any ░░░░░░░░ based also on forceful ░░░░░░░░ dominates the American society ░░░░░░░░ will change It will ░░░░░░░░ get worse But if ░░░░░░░░ the end one comes ░░░░░░░░ the awareness that the ░░░░░░░░ has been changing due ░░░░░░░░ the objective circumstances and ░░░░░░░░ one should be able ░░░░░░░░ adapt to them in ░░░░░░░░ using the advantages that ░░░░░░░░ US still has today ░░░░░░░░ perhaps something may change ░░░░░░░░ China s economy has ░░░░░░░░ the first economy in ░░░░░░░░ world than purchasing power ░░░░░░░░ in terms of volume ░░░░░░░░ s over to the ░░░░░░░░ a long time ago ░░░░░░░░ USA comes second then ░░░░░░░░ the 1 5 billion ░░░░░░░░ and then Japan with ░░░░░░░░ in the fifth place ░░░░░░░░ was the first economy ░░░░░░░░ Europe last year despite ░░░░░░░░ the sanctions and restrictions ░░░░░░░░ it normal from your ░░░░░░░░ of view sanctions restrictions ░░░░░░░░ possibility of payments in ░░░░░░░░ being cut off from ░░░░░░░░ services sanctions against their ░░░░░░░░ carrying oil Sanctions against ░░░░░░░░ Sanctions in everything everywhere ░░░░░░░░ largest number of sanctions ░░░░░░░░ the world which are ░░░░░░░░ are applied against Russia ░░░░░░░░ we have become Europe ░░░░░░░░ first economy during this ░░░░░░░░ The tools that U ░░░░░░░░ uses don t work ░░░░░░░░ one has to think ░░░░░░░░ what to do If ░░░░░░░░ realization comes to the ░░░░░░░░ elites then yes then ░░░░░░░░ first person of the ░░░░░░░░ will act in anticipation ░░░░░░░░ what the voters and ░░░░░░░░ people who make decisions ░░░░░░░░ various levels expect from ░░░░░░░░ person Then maybe something ░░░░░░░░ change But you re ░░░░░░░░ two different systems You ░░░░░░░░ the leader acts in ░░░░░░░░ interest of the voters ░░░░░░░░ you also say these ░░░░░░░░ are not made by ░░░░░░░░ leader they re made ░░░░░░░░ the ruling classes You ░░░░░░░░ run this country for ░░░░░░░░ long you ve known ░░░░░░░░ these American presidents What ░░░░░░░░ those power centers in ░░░░░░░░ United States Do you ░░░░░░░░ Like who actually makes ░░░░░░░░ decisions I don t ░░░░░░░░ America is a complex ░░░░░░░░ Conservative on one hand ░░░░░░░░ changing on the other ░░░░░░░░ s not easy for ░░░░░░░░ to sort it all ░░░░░░░░ Who makes decisions in ░░░░░░░░ elections Is it possible ░░░░░░░░ understand this when each ░░░░░░░░ has its own legislation ░░░░░░░░ state regulates itself Someone ░░░░░░░░ be excluded from elections ░░░░░░░░ the state level It ░░░░░░░░ a two stage electoral ░░░░░░░░ It is very difficult ░░░░░░░░ us to understand it ░░░░░░░░ there are two parties ░░░░░░░░ are dominant the Republicans ░░░░░░░░ the Democrats And within ░░░░░░░░ party system the centers ░░░░░░░░ make decisions that prepare ░░░░░░░░ Then look why in ░░░░░░░░ opinion after the collapse ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Union such ░░░░░░░░ erroneous crude completely unjustified ░░░░░░░░ of pressure was pursued ░░░░░░░░ Russia After all this ░░░░░░░░ a policy of pressure ░░░░░░░░ expansion support for the ░░░░░░░░ in Caucasus Creation of ░░░░░░░░ missile defense system These ░░░░░░░░ all elements of pressure ░░░░░░░░ pressure pressure Then dragging ░░░░░░░░ into NATO is all ░░░░░░░░ pressure pressure pressure Why ░░░░░░░░ think among other things ░░░░░░░░ excessive production capacities were ░░░░░░░░ During the confrontation with ░░░░░░░░ Soviet Union There were ░░░░░░░░ centers created and specialists ░░░░░░░░ the Soviet Union who ░░░░░░░░ not do anything else ░░░░░░░░ convinced the political leadership ░░░░░░░░ it is necessary to ░░░░░░░░ chiseling Russia to try ░░░░░░░░ break it up to ░░░░░░░░ on this territory several ░░░░░░░░ state entities and to ░░░░░░░░ them in a divided ░░░░░░░░ to use their combined ░░░░░░░░ for the future struggle ░░░░░░░░ China This is a ░░░░░░░░ including the excessive potential ░░░░░░░░ those who worked for ░░░░░░░░ confrontation with the Soviet ░░░░░░░░ It is necessary to ░░░░░░░░ rid of this There ░░░░░░░░ be new fresh forces ░░░░░░░░ who look into the ░░░░░░░░ and understand what is ░░░░░░░░ in the world Look ░░░░░░░░ how Indonesia is developing ░░░░░░░░ million people Where can ░░░░░░░░ get away from that ░░░░░░░░ We just have to ░░░░░░░░ that Indonesia will enter ░░░░░░░░ is already in the ░░░░░░░░ of the world s ░░░░░░░░ economies No matter who ░░░░░░░░ it or dislikes Yes ░░░░░░░░ understand and are aware ░░░░░░░░ in the United States ░░░░░░░░ all the economic problems ░░░░░░░░ situation is still normal ░░░░░░░░ the economy growing decently ░░░░░░░░ GDP is growing by ░░░░░░░░ 5 if I m ░░░░░░░░ mistaken But if we ░░░░░░░░ to ensure the future ░░░░░░░░ we need to change ░░░░░░░░ approach to what is ░░░░░░░░ As I already said ░░░░░░░░ world would nevertheless change ░░░░░░░░ of how the developments ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine end The world ░░░░░░░░ changing and the United ░░░░░░░░ themselves Experts are writing ░░░░░░░░ the United States are ░░░░░░░░ gradually changing their position ░░░░░░░░ the world It is ░░░░░░░░ experts who write that ░░░░░░░░ just read them The ░░░░░░░░ question is how this ░░░░░░░░ happen Painfully and quickly ░░░░░░░░ gently and gradually And ░░░░░░░░ is written by people ░░░░░░░░ are not anti American ░░░░░░░░ simply follow global development ░░░░░░░░ That s it And ░░░░░░░░ order to assess them ░░░░░░░░ change policies we need ░░░░░░░░ who think look forward ░░░░░░░░ analyze and recommend certain ░░░░░░░░ at the level of ░░░░░░░░ leaders I just have ░░░░░░░░ ask you you ve ░░░░░░░░ clearly that NATO expansion ░░░░░░░░ is a violation of ░░░░░░░░ promise you all were ░░░░░░░░ in 1990 It s ░░░░░░░░ threat to your country ░░░░░░░░ before you send troops ░░░░░░░░ Ukrain the Vice President ░░░░░░░░ the United States went ░░░░░░░░ the Munich Security Conference ░░░░░░░░ encouraged the president of ░░░░░░░░ to join NATO Do ░░░░░░░░ think that was an ░░░░░░░░ to provoke you into ░░░░░░░░ action I repeat once ░░░░░░░░ we have repeatedly repeatedly ░░░░░░░░ to seek a solution ░░░░░░░░ the problems that arose ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine after 2014 coup ░░░░░░░░ etat through peaceful means ░░░░░░░░ no one listens to ░░░░░░░░ And moreover the Ukrainian ░░░░░░░░ who were under the ░░░░░░░░ US control suddenly declared ░░░░░░░░ they would not comply ░░░░░░░░ the Minsk agreements They ░░░░░░░░ everything there and continued ░░░░░░░░ activity in that territory ░░░░░░░░ in parallel that territory ░░░░░░░░ being exploited by NATO ░░░░░░░░ structures under the guise ░░░░░░░░ various personnel training and ░░░░░░░░ centers They essentially began ░░░░░░░░ create bases there That ░░░░░░░░ all Ukraine announced that ░░░░░░░░ Russians were a non ░░░░░░░░ nationality while passing the ░░░░░░░░ that limit the rights ░░░░░░░░ non titular nationalities in ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine having received all ░░░░░░░░ southeastern territories as a ░░░░░░░░ from the Russian people ░░░░░░░░ announced that the Russians ░░░░░░░░ a non titular nationality ░░░░░░░░ that territory Is that ░░░░░░░░ All this put together ░░░░░░░░ to the decision to ░░░░░░░░ the war T tshat ░░░░░░░░ Nazi started in Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ 2014 Do you think ░░░░░░░░ has the freedom to ░░░░░░░░ a settlement to this ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ details Of course it ░░░░░░░░ difficult for me to ░░░░░░░░ but I believe he ░░░░░░░░ In any case he ░░░░░░░░ to have His father ░░░░░░░░ against the fascists Nazis ░░░░░░░░ World War Two I ░░░░░░░░ talked to him about ░░░░░░░░ I said Volodymy what ░░░░░░░░ you doing Why are ░░░░░░░░ supporting neo Nazis in ░░░░░░░░ today while your father ░░░░░░░░ against fascism He was ░░░░░░░░ frontline soldier I will ░░░░░░░░ tell you what he ░░░░░░░░ This is a separate ░░░░░░░░ and I think it ░░░░░░░░ incorrect for me to ░░░░░░░░ so But as to ░░░░░░░░ freedom of choice Why ░░░░░░░░ He came to power ░░░░░░░░ the expectations of Ukrainian ░░░░░░░░ that he would lead ░░░░░░░░ to peace He talked ░░░░░░░░ this It was thanks ░░░░░░░░ this that he won ░░░░░░░░ elections overwhelmingly But then ░░░░░░░░ he came to power ░░░░░░░░ my opinion he realized ░░░░░░░░ things Firstly it is ░░░░░░░░ not to clash with ░░░░░░░░ Nazis and nationalists because ░░░░░░░░ are aggressive and very ░░░░░░░░ You can expect anything ░░░░░░░░ them And secondly the ░░░░░░░░ S Led West supports ░░░░░░░░ and will always support ░░░░░░░░ who antagonize with Russia ░░░░░░░░ is beneficial and safe ░░░░░░░░ he took the relevant ░░░░░░░░ despite promising his people ░░░░░░░░ end the war in ░░░░░░░░ He deceived his voters ░░░░░░░░ do you think at ░░░░░░░░ point as of February ░░░░░░░░ he has the latitude ░░░░░░░░ freedom to speak with ░░░░░░░░ or your government directly ░░░░░░░░ putting an end to ░░░░░░░░ which clearly isn t ░░░░░░░░ his country or the ░░░░░░░░ Can he do that ░░░░░░░░ you think Why not ░░░░░░░░ considers himself a head ░░░░░░░░ state He won the ░░░░░░░░ Although we believe in ░░░░░░░░ that the coup d ░░░░░░░░ is the primary source ░░░░░░░░ power for everything that ░░░░░░░░ after 2014 And in ░░░░░░░░ sense even today government ░░░░░░░░ flawed But he considers ░░░░░░░░ the president and he ░░░░░░░░ recognized by the United ░░░░░░░░ all of Europe and ░░░░░░░░ the rest of the ░░░░░░░░ in such a capacity ░░░░░░░░ not He can We ░░░░░░░░ with Ukraine in Istanbul ░░░░░░░░ agreed He was aware ░░░░░░░░ this Moreover the negotiation ░░░░░░░░ leader Mr Arakhamia his ░░░░░░░░ name I believe still ░░░░░░░░ the faction of the ░░░░░░░░ party the party of ░░░░░░░░ president in the Rada ░░░░░░░░ still heads the presidential ░░░░░░░░ in the Rada the ░░░░░░░░ s parliament He still ░░░░░░░░ there He even put ░░░░░░░░ preliminary signature on the ░░░░░░░░ I am telling you ░░░░░░░░ then he publicly stated ░░░░░░░░ the whole world we ░░░░░░░░ ready to sign this ░░░░░░░░ but Mr Johnson then ░░░░░░░░ Prime Minister came and ░░░░░░░░ us from doing this ░░░░░░░░ it was better to ░░░░░░░░ Russia They would give ░░░░░░░░ needed for us to ░░░░░░░░ what was lost during ░░░░░░░░ clashes with Russia And ░░░░░░░░ agreed with this proposal ░░░░░░░░ his statement has been ░░░░░░░░ He said it publicly ░░░░░░░░ they return to this ░░░░░░░░ not The question is ░░░░░░░░ they want it or ░░░░░░░░ Further on president of ░░░░░░░░ issued a decree prohibiting ░░░░░░░░ with us Let him ░░░░░░░░ that decree And that ░░░░░░░░ it We have never ░░░░░░░░ negotiations indeed We hear ░░░░░░░░ the time is Russia ░░░░░░░░ Yes We have not ░░░░░░░░ It was them who ░░░░░░░░ refused Well let him ░░░░░░░░ his decree and enter ░░░░░░░░ negotiations We have never ░░░░░░░░ And the fact that ░░░░░░░░ obey the demand or ░░░░░░░░ of Mr Johnson the ░░░░░░░░ Prime Minister of Great ░░░░░░░░ seems ridiculous And it ░░░░░░░░ very sad to me ░░░░░░░░ as Mr Arakhamia put ░░░░░░░░ we could have stopped ░░░░░░░░ hostilities with war a ░░░░░░░░ and a half ago ░░░░░░░░ But the British persuaded ░░░░░░░░ and we refused this ░░░░░░░░ is Mr Johnson now ░░░░░░░░ the war continues That ░░░░░░░░ a good question Where ░░░░░░░░ you think he is ░░░░░░░░ why did he do ░░░░░░░░ Hell knows I don ░░░░░░░░ understand it myself There ░░░░░░░░ a general starting point ░░░░░░░░ some reason everyone had ░░░░░░░░ illusion that Russia could ░░░░░░░░ defeated on the battlefield ░░░░░░░░ of arrogance because of ░░░░░░░░ pure heart but not ░░░░░░░░ of a great mind ░░░░░░░░ ve described the connection ░░░░░░░░ Russia and Ukraine You ░░░░░░░░ described Russia itself a ░░░░░░░░ of times as orthodox ░░░░░░░░ s central to your ░░░░░░░░ of Russia You ve ░░░░░░░░ you re Orthodox What ░░░░░░░░ that mean for you ░░░░░░░░ are a Christian leader ░░░░░░░░ your own description So ░░░░░░░░ effect does that have ░░░░░░░░ you You know as ░░░░░░░░ already mentioned in 988 ░░░░░░░░ Vladimir himself was baptized ░░░░░░░░ the example of his ░░░░░░░░ Princess Olga Then he ░░░░░░░░ his squad And then ░░░░░░░░ over the course of ░░░░░░░░ years he baptized all ░░░░░░░░ Rus It was a ░░░░░░░░ process from pagans to ░░░░░░░░ It took many years ░░░░░░░░ in the end this ░░░░░░░░ Eastern Christianity deeply rooted ░░░░░░░░ in the consciousness of ░░░░░░░░ Russian people When Russia ░░░░░░░░ then absorbed other nations ░░░░░░░░ profess Islam Buddhism and ░░░░░░░░ Russia has always been ░░░░░░░░ loyal to those people ░░░░░░░░ profess other religions This ░░░░░░░░ our strength This is ░░░░░░░░ clear And the fact ░░░░░░░░ that the main postulates ░░░░░░░░ values are very similar ░░░░░░░░ to say the same ░░░░░░░░ all the world religions ░░░░░░░░ have just mentioned and ░░░░░░░░ are the traditional religions ░░░░░░░░ the Russian Federation By ░░░░░░░░ way Russian authorities were ░░░░░░░░ very careful about the ░░░░░░░░ and religion of those ░░░░░░░░ who came into the ░░░░░░░░ Empire This in my ░░░░░░░░ forms the basis of ░░░░░░░░ security and stability of ░░░░░░░░ Russian statehood All the ░░░░░░░░ inhabiting Russia basically consider ░░░░░░░░ their motherhood If say ░░░░░░░░ move over to you ░░░░░░░░ to Europe from Latin ░░░░░░░░ and even clearer and ░░░░░░░░ understandable example people come ░░░░░░░░ yet they have come ░░░░░░░░ you or to European ░░░░░░░░ from their historical homeland ░░░░░░░░ people who profess different ░░░░░░░░ in Russia consider Russia ░░░░░░░░ motherland They have no ░░░░░░░░ motherland We are together ░░░░░░░░ is one big family ░░░░░░░░ our traditional values are ░░░░░░░░ similar ve just mentioned ░░░░░░░░ big family but everyone ░░░░░░░░ his or her own ░░░░░░░░ And this is the ░░░░░░░░ of our society And ░░░░░░░░ we say that the ░░░░░░░░ and the family are ░░░░░░░░ connected with each other ░░░░░░░░ is indeed the case ░░░░░░░░ it is impossible to ░░░░░░░░ a normal future for ░░░░░░░░ children and our families ░░░░░░░░ we ensure a normal ░░░░░░░░ future for the entire ░░░░░░░░ for the motherland That ░░░░░░░░ why patriotic sentiment is ░░░░░░░░ strong in Russia The ░░░░░░░░ way in which the ░░░░░░░░ are different is that ░░░░░░░░ is specifically a nonviolent ░░░░░░░░ Jesus says turn the ░░░░░░░░ cheek Don t kill ░░░░░░░░ can a leader who ░░░░░░░░ to kill of any ░░░░░░░░ how can a leader ░░░░░░░░ a Christian How do ░░░░░░░░ reconcile that to yourself ░░░░░░░░ is very easy when ░░░░░░░░ comes to protecting oneself ░░░░░░░░ one s family one ░░░░░░░░ homeland We won t ░░░░░░░░ anyone When did the ░░░░░░░░ in Ukraine start Since ░░░░░░░░ coup d etat and ░░░░░░░░ hostilities in Donbas began ░░░░░░░░ s when they started ░░░░░░░░ we were protecting our ░░░░░░░░ ourselves our homeland and ░░░░░░░░ future As for religion ░░░░░░░░ general you know it ░░░░░░░░ not about external manifestations ░░░░░░░░ s not about going ░░░░░░░░ church every day or ░░░░░░░░ your head on the ░░░░░░░░ It is in the ░░░░░░░░ and our culture is ░░░░░░░░ human oriented Dostoyevsky who ░░░░░░░░ very well known in ░░░░░░░░ West and the genius ░░░░░░░░ Russian culture Russian literature ░░░░░░░░ a lot about this ░░░░░░░░ the Russian soul After ░░░░░░░░ Western society is more ░░░░░░░░ Russian people think more ░░░░░░░░ the eternal about moral ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ you won t agree ░░░░░░░░ me but Western culture ░░░░░░░░ more pragmatic after all ░░░░░░░░ m not saying this ░░░░░░░░ bad It makes it ░░░░░░░░ for today s golden ░░░░░░░░ to achieve good success ░░░░░░░░ production even in science ░░░░░░░░ so on There s ░░░░░░░░ wrong with that I ░░░░░░░░ just saying that we ░░░░░░░░ of look the same ░░░░░░░░ do you see the ░░░░░░░░ at work as you ░░░░░░░░ out across what s ░░░░░░░░ in the world now ░░░░░░░░ you see God at ░░░░░░░░ Do you ever think ░░░░░░░░ yourself these are forces ░░░░░░░░ are not human No ░░░░░░░░ be honest I don ░░░░░░░░ think so My opinion ░░░░░░░░ that the development of ░░░░░░░░ world community is in ░░░░░░░░ with inherent laws and ░░░░░░░░ laws are what they ░░░░░░░░ It s always been ░░░░░░░░ way in the history ░░░░░░░░ mankind Some nations and ░░░░░░░░ rose became stronger and ░░░░░░░░ numerous and then left ░░░░░░░░ international stage losing the ░░░░░░░░ they had accustomed to ░░░░░░░░ s probably no need ░░░░░░░░ me to give examples ░░░░░░░░ we could start with ░░░░░░░░ Khan and horde conquers ░░░░░░░░ Golden Horde and then ░░░░░░░░ with the Roman Empire ░░░░░░░░ seems that there has ░░░░░░░░ been anything like the ░░░░░░░░ Empire in the history ░░░░░░░░ mankind Nevertheless the potential ░░░░░░░░ the barbarians gradually grew ░░░░░░░░ did their population In ░░░░░░░░ the barbarians were getting ░░░░░░░░ and begun to develop ░░░░░░░░ as we would say ░░░░░░░░ This eventually led to ░░░░░░░░ collapse of the Roman ░░░░░░░░ and the regime imposed ░░░░░░░░ the Romans However it ░░░░░░░░ five centuries for the ░░░░░░░░ Empire to fall apart ░░░░░░░░ difference with what is ░░░░░░░░ now is that all ░░░░░░░░ processes of change are ░░░░░░░░ had been much faster ░░░░░░░░ than in Roman times ░░░░░░░░ when does the AI ░░░░░░░░ start do you think ░░░░░░░░ re asking increasingly more ░░░░░░░░ questions To answer them ░░░░░░░░ need to be an ░░░░░░░░ in big numbers big ░░░░░░░░ and AI Mankind is ░░░░░░░░ facing many threats due ░░░░░░░░ the genetic researchers it ░░░░░░░░ now possible to create ░░░░░░░░ superhuman A specialized human ░░░░░░░░ A genetically engineered athlete ░░░░░░░░ military man There are ░░░░░░░░ that Elon Musk has ░░░░░░░░ had the chip implanted ░░░░░░░░ the human brain in ░░░░░░░░ USA What do you ░░░░░░░░ of that I think ░░░░░░░░ s no stopping Elon ░░░░░░░░ He will do as ░░░░░░░░ sees fit Nevertheless you ░░░░░░░░ need to find some ░░░░░░░░ ground with him Search ░░░░░░░░ ways to persuade him ░░░░░░░░ think he s a ░░░░░░░░ person I truly believe ░░░░░░░░ is So you ll ░░░░░░░░ to reach an agreement ░░░░░░░░ him because this process ░░░░░░░░ to be formalized and ░░░░░░░░ to certain rules Humanity ░░░░░░░░ to consider what is ░░░░░░░░ to happen due to ░░░░░░░░ newest development in genetics ░░░░░░░░ in AI One can ░░░░░░░░ an approximate prediction of ░░░░░░░░ will happen Once mankind ░░░░░░░░ an existential threat coming ░░░░░░░░ nuclear weapons All nuclear ░░░░░░░░ begun to come to ░░░░░░░░ with one another since ░░░░░░░░ realized the negligent use ░░░░░░░░ nuclear weaponry could drive ░░░░░░░░ to extinction It is ░░░░░░░░ to stop research in ░░░░░░░░ or AI today just ░░░░░░░░ it was impossible to ░░░░░░░░ the use of gunpowder ░░░░░░░░ in the day But ░░░░░░░░ soon as we realize ░░░░░░░░ the threat comes from ░░░░░░░░ and uncontrolled development of ░░░░░░░░ or genetics or any ░░░░░░░░ field the time will ░░░░░░░░ to reach an international ░░░░░░░░ on how to regulate ░░░░░░░░ things I appreciate all ░░░░░░░░ time you ve given ░░░░░░░░ I just gotta ask ░░░░░░░░ one last question And ░░░░░░░░ s about someone who ░░░░░░░░ very famous in the ░░░░░░░░ States Probably not here ░░░░░░░░ Gershkovich who s The ░░░░░░░░ Street Journal reporter He ░░░░░░░░ 32 And he s ░░░░░░░░ in prison for almost ░░░░░░░░ year This is a ░░░░░░░░ story in the United ░░░░░░░░ And I just want ░░░░░░░░ ask you directly without ░░░░░░░░ into the details of ░░░░░░░░ or your version of ░░░░░░░░ happened if as a ░░░░░░░░ of your decency you ░░░░░░░░ be willing to release ░░░░░░░░ to us and we ░░░░░░░░ bring him back to ░░░░░░░░ United States We have ░░░░░░░░ so many gestures of ░░░░░░░░ out of decency that ░░░░░░░░ think we have run ░░░░░░░░ of them We have ░░░░░░░░ seen anyone reciprocate to ░░░░░░░░ in a similar manner ░░░░░░░░ in theory we can ░░░░░░░░ that we do not ░░░░░░░░ out that we can ░░░░░░░░ that if our partners ░░░░░░░░ reciprocal steps When I ░░░░░░░░ about the partners I ░░░░░░░░ of all refer to ░░░░░░░░ services Special services are ░░░░░░░░ contact with one another ░░░░░░░░ are talking about the ░░░░░░░░ in question There is ░░░░░░░░ taboo to settle this ░░░░░░░░ We are willing to ░░░░░░░░ it but there are ░░░░░░░░ terms being discussed via ░░░░░░░░ services channels I believe ░░░░░░░░ agreement can be reached ░░░░░░░░ typically I mean this ░░░░░░░░ has happened for obviously ░░░░░░░░ One country catches another ░░░░░░░░ within its borders It ░░░░░░░░ it for one of ░░░░░░░░ own Iintel guys in ░░░░░░░░ country I think what ░░░░░░░░ and it s not ░░░░░░░░ business but what makes ░░░░░░░░ different is the guy ░░░░░░░░ obviously not a spy ░░░░░░░░ s a kid and ░░░░░░░░ he was breaking your ░░░░░░░░ in some way but ░░░░░░░░ s not a super ░░░░░░░░ and everybody knows that ░░░░░░░░ he s being held ░░░░░░░░ in exchange which is ░░░░░░░░ with respect It s ░░░░░░░░ And everyone knows it ░░░░░░░░ true So maybe he ░░░░░░░░ in a different category ░░░░░░░░ it s not fair ░░░░░░░░ ask for you know ░░░░░░░░ else in exchange for ░░░░░░░░ him out Maybe it ░░░░░░░░ Russia to do that ░░░░░░░░ know you can give ░░░░░░░░ different interpretations to what ░░░░░░░░ a spy But there ░░░░░░░░ certain things provided by ░░░░░░░░ If a person gets ░░░░░░░░ information and does that ░░░░░░░░ conspiratorial manner then this ░░░░░░░░ qualified as espionage And ░░░░░░░░ is exactly what he ░░░░░░░░ doing He was receiving ░░░░░░░░ confidential information and he ░░░░░░░░ it covertly Maybe he ░░░░░░░░ that out of carelessness ░░░░░░░░ his own initiative Considering ░░░░░░░░ sheer fact that this ░░░░░░░░ qualify this espionage The ░░░░░░░░ has been proven as ░░░░░░░░ was caught red handed ░░░░░░░░ he was receiving this ░░░░░░░░ If it had been ░░░░░░░░ farfetched excuse some fabrication ░░░░░░░░ not proven it would ░░░░░░░░ been a different story ░░░░░░░░ But he was caught ░░░░░░░░ handed when he was ░░░░░░░░ getting confidential information What ░░░░░░░░ it then But are ░░░░░░░░ suggesting he was working ░░░░░░░░ the U S government ░░░░░░░░ NATO or he was ░░░░░░░░ a reporter who was ░░░░░░░░ material he wasn t ░░░░░░░░ to have Those seem ░░░░░░░░ very different very different ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ he was working for ░░░░░░░░ I would like to ░░░░░░░░ that getting classified information ░░░░░░░░ secret is called espionage ░░░░░░░░ he was working for ░░░░░░░░ US special services some ░░░░░░░░ agencies I don t ░░░░░░░░ he was working for ░░░░░░░░ as Monaco is hardly ░░░░░░░░ in getting that information ░░░░░░░░ is up to the ░░░░░░░░ services to come to ░░░░░░░░ agreement Some groundwork has ░░░░░░░░ laid There are people ░░░░░░░░ in our view are ░░░░░░░░ connected with special services ░░░░░░░░ me ttell you a ░░░░░░░░ about a person serving ░░░░░░░░ sentence in an allied ░░░░░░░░ of the U S ░░░░░░░░ person due to patriotic ░░░░░░░░ eliminated a bandit in ░░░░░░░░ of the European capitals ░░░░░░░░ the events in the ░░░░░░░░ do you know what ░░░░░░░░ was doing I don ░░░░░░░░ want to say that ░░░░░░░░ I will do it ░░░░░░░░ He was laying our ░░░░░░░░ taken prisoner on the ░░░░░░░░ and then drove his ░░░░░░░░ over their heads What ░░░░░░░░ of person is that ░░░░░░░░ he even be called ░░░░░░░░ But there was a ░░░░░░░░ who eliminated him in ░░░░░░░░ of the European capitals ░░░░░░░░ he did it of ░░░░░░░░ own volition or not ░░░░░░░░ is a different question ░░░░░░░░ mean that s a ░░░░░░░░ different He s a ░░░░░░░░ year old newspaper reporter ░░░░░░░░ committed something different He ░░░░░░░░ not just a journalist ░░░░░░░░ reiterate He s a ░░░░░░░░ who is secretly getting ░░░░░░░░ information Yes it is ░░░░░░░░ but still I m ░░░░░░░░ about other people who ░░░░░░░░ essentially controlled by the ░░░░░░░░ authorities wherever they are ░░░░░░░░ a sentence There is ░░░░░░░░ ongoing dialog between the ░░░░░░░░ services This has to ░░░░░░░░ resolved in a calm ░░░░░░░░ and professional manner They ░░░░░░░░ keeping in touch so ░░░░░░░░ them do their work ░░░░░░░░ do not rule out ░░░░░░░░ the person you refer ░░░░░░░░ Mr Gershkovich may return ░░░░░░░░ his motherland But at ░░░░░░░░ end of the day ░░░░░░░░ does not make any ░░░░░░░░ to keep him in ░░░░░░░░ in Russia We want ░░░░░░░░ U S Special Services ░░░░░░░░ think about how they ░░░░░░░░ contribute to achieving the ░░░░░░░░ our special services are ░░░░░░░░ We are ready to ░░░░░░░░ Moreover the talks are ░░░░░░░░ and there have been ░░░░░░░░ successful examples of these ░░░░░░░░ crowned with success Probably ░░░░░░░░ is going to be ░░░░░░░░ with success as well ░░░░░░░░ we have to come ░░░░░░░░ an agreement I hope ░░░░░░░░ let them out Mr ░░░░░░░░ thank you I also ░░░░░░░░ him to return to ░░░░░░░░ homeland at last I ░░░░░░░░ absolutely sincere But let ░░░░░░░░ say once again the ░░░░░░░░ continues The more public ░░░░░░░░ render things of this ░░░░░░░░ the more difficult it ░░░░░░░░ to resolve them Everything ░░░░░░░░ to be done in ░░░░░░░░ manner I wonder if ░░░░░░░░ s true with the ░░░░░░░░ though I guess I ░░░░░░░░ to ask one more ░░░░░░░░ which is and maybe ░░░░░░░░ don t want to ░░░░░░░░ so for strategic reasons ░░░░░░░░ are you worried that ░░░░░░░░ s happening in Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ lead to something much ░░░░░░░░ and much more horrible ░░░░░░░░ how motivated are you ░░░░░░░░ to call the U ░░░░░░░░ government and say let ░░░░░░░░ come to terms I ░░░░░░░░ said that we did ░░░░░░░░ refuse to talk We ░░░░░░░░ willing to negotiate It ░░░░░░░░ the western side and ░░░░░░░░ is obviously a satellite ░░░░░░░░ of the US It ░░░░░░░░ evident I do not ░░░░░░░░ you to take it ░░░░░░░░ if I am looking ░░░░░░░░ a strong word or ░░░░░░░░ insult But we both ░░░░░░░░ what is happening The ░░░░░░░░ support 72 billion U ░░░░░░░░ dollars was provided Germany ░░░░░░░░ second then other European ░░░░░░░░ come Dozens of billions ░░░░░░░░ U S dollars are ░░░░░░░░ to Ukraine There s ░░░░░░░░ huge influx of weapons ░░░░░░░░ this case you should ░░░░░░░░ the current Ukrainian leadership ░░░░░░░░ stop and come to ░░░░░░░░ negotiating table rescind this ░░░░░░░░ decree We did not ░░░░░░░░ Sure but you already ░░░░░░░░ it I didn t ░░░░░░░░ you meant it is ░░░░░░░░ insult because you already ░░░░░░░░ correctly it s been ░░░░░░░░ that Ukraine was prevented ░░░░░░░░ negotiating a peace settlement ░░░░░░░░ the former British Prime ░░░░░░░░ acting on behalf of ░░░░░░░░ Biden Administration So of ░░░░░░░░ they re a satellite ░░░░░░░░ countries control small countries ░░░░░░░░ s not new And ░░░░░░░░ s why I asked ░░░░░░░░ dealing directly with the ░░░░░░░░ Administration which is making ░░░░░░░░ decisions not President Zelenskyy ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine Well if the ░░░░░░░░ administration in Ukraine refused ░░░░░░░░ negotiate I assume they ░░░░░░░░ it under the instruction ░░░░░░░░ Washington If Washington believes ░░░░░░░░ to be the wrong ░░░░░░░░ let it abandon it ░░░░░░░░ it find the delicate ░░░░░░░░ so that no one ░░░░░░░░ insulted Let it come ░░░░░░░░ with a way out ░░░░░░░░ was not us who ░░░░░░░░ this decision It was ░░░░░░░░ So let them go ░░░░░░░░ on it That is ░░░░░░░░ However they made the ░░░░░░░░ decision And now we ░░░░░░░░ to look for a ░░░░░░░░ out of this situation ░░░░░░░░ correct their mistakes They ░░░░░░░░ it so let them ░░░░░░░░ it themselves We support ░░░░░░░░ So I just want ░░░░░░░░ make sure I m ░░░░░░░░ misunderstanding what you re ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ I am I think ░░░░░░░░ re saying you want ░░░░░░░░ negotiated settlement to what ░░░░░░░░ happening in Ukraine Right ░░░░░░░░ we made it We ░░░░░░░░ the huge document in ░░░░░░░░ that was initialed by ░░░░░░░░ head of the Ukrainian ░░░░░░░░ He had fixed his ░░░░░░░░ to some of the ░░░░░░░░ not to all of ░░░░░░░░ He put his signature ░░░░░░░░ then he himself said ░░░░░░░░ were ready to sign ░░░░░░░░ and the war would ░░░░░░░░ been over long ago ░░░░░░░░ months ago However Prime ░░░░░░░░ Johnson came talk to ░░░░░░░░ out of it and ░░░░░░░░ missed that chance Well ░░░░░░░░ missed it You made ░░░░░░░░ mistake Let them get ░░░░░░░░ to that That is ░░░░░░░░ Why do we have ░░░░░░░░ bother ourselves and correct ░░░░░░░░ else s mistakes I ░░░░░░░░ one can say it ░░░░░░░░ our mistake It was ░░░░░░░░ who intensified the situation ░░░░░░░░ decided to put an ░░░░░░░░ to the war that ░░░░░░░░ in 2014 in Donbas ░░░░░░░░ I have already said ░░░░░░░░ means of weapons Lt ░░░░░░░░ get back to furthering ░░░░░░░░ I already told you ░░░░░░░░ We were just discussing ░░░░░░░░ Let us go back ░░░░░░░░ 1991 when we were ░░░░░░░░ that NATO would not ░░░░░░░░ to 2008 when the ░░░░░░░░ to NATO opened to ░░░░░░░░ Declaration of State Sovereignty ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine declaring Ukraine a ░░░░░░░░ state Let us go ░░░░░░░░ to the fact that ░░░░░░░░ and U S military ░░░░░░░░ started to appear on ░░░░░░░░ territory Ukraine creating threats ░░░░░░░░ us Let us go ░░░░░░░░ to coup d etat ░░░░░░░░ Ukraine in 2014 It ░░░░░░░░ pointless though isn t ░░░░░░░░ We may go back ░░░░░░░░ forth endlessly but they ░░░░░░░░ negotiations Is it a ░░░░░░░░ Yes Correct it We ░░░░░░░░ ready What else is ░░░░░░░░ Do you think it ░░░░░░░░ too humiliating at this ░░░░░░░░ for NATO to accept ░░░░░░░░ control of what was ░░░░░░░░ years ago Ukrainian territory ░░░░░░░░ said let them think ░░░░░░░░ to do it with ░░░░░░░░ There are options if ░░░░░░░░ is a will Up ░░░░░░░░ now there has been ░░░░░░░░ uproar and screaming about ░░░░░░░░ a strategic defeat to ░░░░░░░░ on the battlefield But ░░░░░░░░ they are apparently coming ░░░░░░░░ realize that it is ░░░░░░░░ to achieve if possible ░░░░░░░░ all In my opinion ░░░░░░░░ is impossible by definition ░░░░░░░░ is never going to ░░░░░░░░ It seems to me ░░░░░░░░ now those who are ░░░░░░░░ power in the West ░░░░░░░░ come to realize this ░░░░░░░░ well If so if ░░░░░░░░ realization has set in ░░░░░░░░ have to think what ░░░░░░░░ do next We are ░░░░░░░░ for this dialog Would ░░░░░░░░ be willing to say ░░░░░░░░ NATO you won and ░░░░░░░░ keep the situation where ░░░░░░░░ is now You know ░░░░░░░░ is a subject matter ░░░░░░░░ the negotiations No one ░░░░░░░░ willing to conduct or ░░░░░░░░ put it more accurately ░░░░░░░░ re willing but do ░░░░░░░░ know how to do ░░░░░░░░ I know they want ░░░░░░░░ It is not just ░░░░░░░░ see it but I ░░░░░░░░ they do want it ░░░░░░░░ they are struggling to ░░░░░░░░ how to do it ░░░░░░░░ have driven the situation ░░░░░░░░ the point where we ░░░░░░░░ at It is not ░░░░░░░░ who have done that ░░░░░░░░ is our partners opponents ░░░░░░░░ have done that Well ░░░░░░░░ let them think how ░░░░░░░░ reverse the situation We ░░░░░░░░ not against it It ░░░░░░░░ be funny if it ░░░░░░░░ not so sad that ░░░░░░░░ endless mobilization in Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ hysteria the domestic problems ░░░░░░░░ or later it will ░░░░░░░░ in an agreement You ░░░░░░░░ this probably sounds strange ░░░░░░░░ the current situation But ░░░░░░░░ relations between the two ░░░░░░░░ will be rebuilt anyway ░░░░░░░░ will take a lot ░░░░░░░░ time but they will ░░░░░░░░ I ll give you ░░░░░░░░ unusual examples There is ░░░░░░░░ combat encounter on the ░░░░░░░░ Here is a specific ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainian soldiers get encircled ░░░░░░░░ is an example from ░░░░░░░░ life Our soldiers were ░░░░░░░░ to them There is ░░░░░░░░ chance Surrender yourselves Come ░░░░░░░░ and you will be ░░░░░░░░ Suddenly the Ukrainian soldiers ░░░░░░░░ screaming from there in ░░░░░░░░ Perfect Russian Saying Russians ░░░░░░░░ not surrender And all ░░░░░░░░ them perished They still ░░░░░░░░ themselves as Russian What ░░░░░░░░ happening is to a ░░░░░░░░ extent an element of ░░░░░░░░ civil war Everyone in ░░░░░░░░ West thinks that the ░░░░░░░░ people have been split ░░░░░░░░ hostilities forever and now ░░░░░░░░ will be reunited The ░░░░░░░░ is still there Why ░░░░░░░░ the Ukrainian authorities dismantling ░░░░░░░░ Ukrainian Orthodox Church Because ░░░░░░░░ brings together not only ░░░░░░░░ territory It brings together ░░░░░░░░ souls No one will ░░░░░░░░ able to separate the ░░░░░░░░ Shall we end here ░░░░░░░░ is there anything else ░░░░░░░░ you, Mr. President.