Andrew Sullivan Tells MSNBC’s Melber His Network Is ‘Propaganda All the Time’

SULLIVAN I think what ░░░░░░░░ set in motion and ░░░░░░░░ the divisions of the ░░░░░░░░ has done and what ░░░░░░░░ Democrats have done in ░░░░░░░░ last four years which ░░░░░░░░ respond to Trump by ░░░░░░░░ even further to the ░░░░░░░░ means that we are ░░░░░░░░ the legitimacy of the ░░░░░░░░ and that is the ░░░░░░░░ thing When you lose ░░░░░░░░ core legitimacy you lose ░░░░░░░░ democracy That s where ░░░░░░░░ are really going to ░░░░░░░░ our democracy because we ░░░░░░░░ t believe in it ░░░░░░░░ MAHER Damn right SULLIVAN ░░░░░░░░ you can see that ░░░░░░░░ results of that the ░░░░░░░░ that this works is ░░░░░░░░ start disbelieving all the ░░░░░░░░ and then you say ░░░░░░░░ do I want And ░░░░░░░░ want a strongman You ░░░░░░░░ someone to come in ░░░░░░░░ cut all the knots ░░░░░░░░ is a classic case ░░░░░░░░ how you lose a ░░░░░░░░ And he s almost ░░░░░░░░ going to be there ░░░░░░░░ s going to win ░░░░░░░░ election almost certainly and ░░░░░░░░ well MELBER I think ░░░░░░░░ make fair points Andrew ░░░░░░░░ you sound a little ░░░░░░░░ both sides y I ░░░░░░░░ t know if that ░░░░░░░░ on purpose or not ░░░░░░░░ I take that as ░░░░░░░░ compliment MELBER Well then ░░░░░░░░ ve just been complimented ░░░░░░░░ Thank you MELBER in ░░░░░░░░ mind But there s ░░░░░░░░ problems with the Democratic ░░░░░░░░ and the overreaction to ░░░░░░░░ We just spoke about ░░░░░░░░ ballot case and its ░░░░░░░░ and we cover that ░░░░░░░░ the time on the ░░░░░░░░ But there s not ░░░░░░░░ here on the problems ░░░░░░░░ just referred to There ░░░░░░░░ not equivalence of political ░░░░░░░░ There s not equivalence ░░░░░░░░ responding to court cases ░░░░░░░░ v Gore was very ░░░░░░░░ but there was no ░░░░░░░░ response and there was ░░░░░░░░ any mainstream response from ░░░░░░░░ about overthrowing the certification ░░░░░░░░ Gore actually showed up ░░░░░░░░ Jan 6th remember it ░░░░░░░░ that date and certified ░░░░░░░░ So there isn t ░░░░░░░░ both side ism to ░░░░░░░░ decay And what Trump ░░░░░░░░ and I agree at ░░░░░░░░ he may draw his ░░░░░░░░ into messy dumb feuds ░░░░░░░░ he is the one ░░░░░░░░ on a cynicism an ░░░░░░░░ on democracy and on ░░░░░░░░ rejection of the policy ░░░░░░░░ that you want because ░░░░░░░░ didn t even have ░░░░░░░░ platform So he s ░░░░░░░░ It s just me ░░░░░░░░ don t even know ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ Just vote for me ░░░░░░░░ platform And you ve ░░░░░░░░ a whole Republican Party ░░░░░░░░ s basically codifying that ░░░░░░░░ You know what would ░░░░░░░░ good at MSNBC is ░░░░░░░░ you actually did think ░░░░░░░░ both sides and weigh ░░░░░░░░ arguments and make constructive ░░░░░░░░ against that side while ░░░░░░░░ them You don t ░░░░░░░░ that It s propaganda ░░░░░░░░ the time And by ░░░░░░░░ any MELBER What you ░░░░░░░░ said described what you ░░░░░░░░ said described my show ░░░░░░░░ had Trump lawyer on ░░░░░░░░ week I ve had ░░░░░░░░ Bannon on my show ░░░░░░░░ ve had Trump White ░░░░░░░░ officials SULLIVAN I watch ░░░░░░░░ I watch MSNBC and ░░░░░░░░ both sides MELBER Right ░░░░░░░░ you re describing the ░░░░░░░░ that I m achieving ░░░░░░░░ take that as a ░░░░░░░░ SULLIVAN: “In your mind.”