RUSH TRANSCRIPT She used ░░░░░░░░ example given what happened ░░░░░░░░ up to January 6th ░░░░░░░░ Perez thank you very ░░░░░░░░ Let s bring in ░░░░░░░░ eisen and Alyssa Farah ░░░░░░░░ to discuss this Norm ░░░░░░░░ laid out what the ░░░░░░░░ have to grapple with ░░░░░░░░ do they go about ░░░░░░░░ that tricky balance between ░░░░░░░░ leading president candidate s ░░░░░░░░ Amendment rights but also ░░░░░░░░ court officials and Jack ░░░░░░░░ s team and his ░░░░░░░░ and avoid tainting a ░░░░░░░░ jury pool To strike ░░░░░░░░ balance is by looking ░░░░░░░░ precedent The cases that ░░░░░░░░ been decided in similar ░░░░░░░░ situations and the Supreme ░░░░░░░░ has held that time ░░░░░░░░ again when it comes ░░░░░░░░ the judge and court ░░░░░░░░ to witnesses we heard ░░░░░░░░ lot about that today ░░░░░░░░ others who were involved ░░░░░░░░ the process that they ░░░░░░░░ be protected So the ░░░░░░░░ will fall on the ░░░░░░░░ of protecting the administration ░░░░░░░░ justice The judge look ░░░░░░░░ First Amendment protections they ░░░░░░░░ not absolute right That ░░░░░░░░ part of this Again ░░░░░░░░ is running for presidential ░░░░░░░░ He s the leading ░░░░░░░░ candidate Alyssa I want ░░░░░░░░ play this moment for ░░░░░░░░ when Trump s lawyers ░░░░░░░░ about political speech Take ░░░░░░░░ listen Subject to restrictions ░░░░░░░░ speech core political speech ░░░░░░░░ s part of campaign ░░░░░░░░ Political speech begs the ░░░░░░░░ of whether it is ░░░░░░░░ fact political speech or ░░░░░░░░ it is political speech ░░░░░░░░ at derailing or corrupting ░░░░░░░░ criminal justice process That ░░░░░░░░ alyssa given what you ░░░░░░░░ about former President Trump ░░░░░░░░ how he operates Think ░░░░░░░░ how remarkable it is ░░░░░░░░ this discussion is being ░░░░░░░░ This is testing our ░░░░░░░░ in the way we ░░░░░░░░ have been You have ░░░░░░░░ the Republican nominee indicted ░░░░░░░░ felony charges and in ░░░░░░░░ courtroom while he s ░░░░░░░░ for president These are ░░░░░░░░ that haven t legally ░░░░░░░░ challenged I completely understand ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump s attorney ░░░░░░░░ trying to do here ░░░░░░░░ his only option this ░░░░░░░░ cycle is basically to ░░░░░░░░ from the courtroom with ░░░░░░░░ multiple cases he has ░░░░░░░░ s going to keep ░░░░░░░░ off the campaign trail ░░░░░░░░ many court dates Some ░░░░░░░░ these will line up ░░░░░░░░ ahead of super Tuesday ░░░░░░░░ needs to be able ░░░░░░░░ use his social media ░░░░░░░░ about things in a ░░░░░░░░ and define the enemy ░░░░░░░░ the judge those coming ░░░░░░░░ him in these cases ░░░░░░░░ also needs to use ░░░░░░░░ to look strong and ░░░░░░░░ strong This is something ░░░░░░░░ knows being silenced in ░░░░░░░░ cases is a death ░░░░░░░░ for him He needs ░░░░░░░░ be strong to supporters ░░░░░░░░ and so forth Norm ░░░░░░░░ judges they seem ready ░░░░░░░░ reinstate the gag order ░░░░░░░░ with some leeway for ░░░░░░░░ to attack Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ do you make of ░░░░░░░░ That while the law ░░░░░░░░ the gag order the ░░░░░░░░ where the toughest judgments ░░░░░░░░ to be made is ░░░░░░░░ criticizing the Biden Administration ░░░░░░░░ the Department of Justice ░░░░░░░░ Smith of course although ░░░░░░░░ s special counsel he ░░░░░░░░ very independent He is ░░░░░░░░ part of the Department ░░░░░░░░ Justice I think those ░░░░░░░░ of accommodations are reasonable ░░░░░░░░ all we have to ░░░░░░░░ the judge we have ░░░░░░░░ protect the witnesses We ░░░░░░░░ to protect the jury ░░░░░░░░ the order has to ░░░░░░░░ a little bit there ░░░░░░░░ is reasonable compromise to ░░░░░░░░ sure that justice can ░░░░░░░░ smoothly in this case ░░░░░░░░ core political speech versus ░░░░░░░░ speech The judge raised ░░░░░░░░ the potential for Trump ░░░░░░░░ rhetoric to cause violence ░░░░░░░░ brought up the threats ░░░░░░░░ judge Chutkan How real ░░░░░░░░ this threat Heightened political ░░░░░░░░ We know that from ░░░░░░░░ 6th from situations that ░░░░░░░░ that That s a ░░░░░░░░ real concern and the ░░░░░░░░ piece of what you ░░░░░░░░ earlier this kind of ░░░░░░░░ witness intimidation We kind ░░░░░░░░ have a sense of ░░░░░░░░ the players are who ░░░░░░░░ going to be likely ░░░░░░░░ to testify in this ░░░░░░░░ Mike Pence case in ░░░░░░░░ somebody who saying something ░░░░░░░░ vague as I hope ░░░░░░░░ does the right thing ░░░░░░░░ knows tens of millions ░░░░░░░░ his supporters are listening ░░░░░░░░ that and they ll ░░░░░░░░ pressure in whatever way ░░░░░░░░ may on Mike Pence.