Axelrod: What Gives Biden ‘Hope’ Is He’s Running Against Trump

BURNETT Let s start ░░░░░░░░ where David Chalian just ░░░░░░░░ The territory of one ░░░░░░░░ presidents going back to ░░░░░░░░ Carter I had jotted ░░░░░░░░ down Jimmy Carter was ░░░░░░░░ 32 That s worse ░░░░░░░░ Yes BURNETT Okay But ░░░░░░░░ s about as good ░░░░░░░░ it can get AXELROD ░░░░░░░░ the difference here is ░░░░░░░░ he isn t running ░░░░░░░░ Ronald Reagan He s ░░░░░░░░ running against some fresh ░░░░░░░░ He s running against ░░░░░░░░ Trump And that s ░░░░░░░░ gives him hope And ░░░░░░░░ think also BURNETT He ░░░░░░░░ the only other person ░░░░░░░░ that low level close ░░░░░░░░ that low level at ░░░░░░░░ point AXELROD I mean ░░░░░░░░ numbers are equally bad ░░░░░░░░ on you know in ░░░░░░░░ polling and in some ░░░░░░░░ there are comparatives as ░░░░░░░░ talked about earlier on ░░░░░░░░ you know foreign leadership ░░░░░░░░ and so on that ░░░░░░░░ that are discouraging I ░░░░░░░░ only say this Whether ░░░░░░░░ s fair or not ░░░░░░░░ Joe Biden has a ░░░░░░░░ of accomplishments to his ░░░░░░░░ he led the country ░░░░░░░░ the pandemic and you ░░░░░░░░ while inflation is still ░░░░░░░░ prism through which people ░░░░░░░░ looking at the economy ░░░░░░░░ jobs and some other ░░░░░░░░ he s done quite ░░░░░░░░ Despite all that those ░░░░░░░░ he and maybe no ░░░░░░░░ president at this juncture ░░░░░░░░ going to win a ░░░░░░░░ on their own performance ░░░░░░░░ has to frame the ░░░░░░░░ and he has to ░░░░░░░░ it aggressively and he ░░░░░░░░ to frame it right ░░░░░░░░ Because if nothing else ░░░░░░░░ are are these are ░░░░░░░░ flashing red light here ░░░░░░░░ All right So David ░░░░░░░░ through independents And I ░░░░░░░░ want to say overall ░░░░░░░░ course right now you ░░░░░░░░ got independents political independents ░░░░░░░░ Trump 41 Biden And ░░░░░░░░ David was just laying ░░░░░░░░ only a third of ░░░░░░░░ think that Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ doing a good job ░░░░░░░░ know there are many ░░░░░░░░ make the argument that ░░░░░░░░ is where you win ░░░░░░░░ lose that people end ░░░░░░░░ going to their corners ░░░░░░░░ independents is where a ░░░░░░░░ is lost CORNISH Independents ░░░░░░░░ very affected by the ░░░░░░░░ of distance to when ░░░░░░░░ election is going to ░░░░░░░░ It s a year ░░░░░░░░ We don t know ░░░░░░░░ close they re paying ░░░░░░░░ and what they see ░░░░░░░░ Trump for example You ░░░░░░░░ one of the things ░░░░░░░░ think I m most ░░░░░░░░ by is that and ░░░░░░░░ and I talked about ░░░░░░░░ earlier Barack Obama grew ░░░░░░░░ electorate right he broadened ░░░░░░░░ coalition But I don ░░░░░░░░ ever remember anybody saying ░░░░░░░░ Biden was added to ░░░░░░░░ ticket because he really ░░░░░░░░ the youngs and the ░░░░░░░░ BURNETT But he did ░░░░░░░░ very well among the ░░░░░░░░ CORNISH Maybe But I ░░░░░░░░ t think it was ░░░░░░░░ AXELROD By the way ░░░░░░░░ one place he s ░░░░░░░░ well in these polls ░░░░░░░░ among voters over 65 ░░░░░░░░ Exactly BURNETT By the ░░░░░░░░ I know what you ░░░░░░░░ shaking I think I ░░░░░░░░ Are you about to ░░░░░░░░ it again Are you ░░░░░░░░ to do it again ░░░░░░░░ I won t go ░░░░░░░░ to my Chalian board ░░░░░░░░ m just going to ░░░░░░░░ the one thing that ░░░░░░░░ t be fixed the ░░░░░░░░ that can t be ░░░░░░░░ is stamina The other ░░░░░░░░ I just want to ░░░░░░░░ that number to point ░░░░░░░░ 71 to 61 right ░░░░░░░░ enthusiasm gap David talked ░░░░░░░░ That s substantial CORNISH ░░░░░░░░ s what I m ░░░░░░░░ about I think there ░░░░░░░░ a return to go ░░░░░░░░ BEDINGFIELD No go ahead ░░░░░░░░ can can we just ░░░░░░░░ to what is actually ░░░░░░░░ tonight right So we ░░░░░░░░ voters voting tonight We ░░░░░░░░ and we have a ░░░░░░░░ way to go We ░░░░░░░░ a lot of votes ░░░░░░░░ coming in obviously a ░░░░░░░░ of races yet to ░░░░░░░░ called a lot going ░░░░░░░░ But so far we ░░░░░░░░ seeing lower Republican turnout ░░░░░░░░ was anticipated We are ░░░░░░░░ Democrats turnout We are ░░░░░░░░ obviously the numbers in ░░░░░░░░