ABC’s Stephanopoulos Stunned by New Poll Showing Trump and Biden Deadlocked Despite Trump’s ‘Baggage’

STEPHANOPOULOS Let s begin ░░░░░░░░ the presidential race and ░░░░░░░░ want to ask you ░░░░░░░░ question I asked Tim ░░░░░░░░ towards the end there ░░░░░░░░ is kind of shocking ░░░░░░░░ a way that despite ░░░░░░░░ of the baggage that ░░░░░░░░ Trump carries he s ░░░░░░░░ with Joe Biden right ░░░░░░░░ BRAZILE Yeah I mean ░░░░░░░░ when I looked at ░░░░░░░░ recent poll The Wall ░░░░░░░░ Journal I said Oh ░░░░░░░░ could keep me up ░░░░░░░░ night Look the problem ░░░░░░░░ and the biggest challenge ░░░░░░░░ face as Democrats I ░░░░░░░░ we because I m ░░░░░░░░ Democrat is that young ░░░░░░░░ young black and Latino ░░░░░░░░ they re not ready ░░░░░░░░ come back to the ░░░░░░░░ They re not even ░░░░░░░░ at the so called ░░░░░░░░ that s being sent ░░░░░░░░ them about the economy ░░░░░░░░ climate change about student ░░░░░░░░ relief They are worried ░░░░░░░░ their future And right ░░░░░░░░ they re looking for ░░░░░░░░ leader who represents their ░░░░░░░░ and their vision And ░░░░░░░░ think the president s ░░░░░░░░ is going to have ░░░░░░░░ really you know go ░░░░░░░░ and go hard to ░░░░░░░░ those voters to come ░░░░░░░░ within the Democratic Party ░░░░░░░░ Because without them it ░░░░░░░░ a tight race and ░░░░░░░░ s going to come ░░░░░░░░ to four states STEPHANOPOULOS ░░░░░░░░ Susan Page with every ░░░░░░░░ month with every new ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump seems to ░░░░░░░░ consolidating his control over ░░░░░░░░ Republican Party PAGE This ░░░░░░░░ Street Journal poll after ░░░░░░░░ criminal counts against the ░░░░░░░░ which only strengthened his ░░░░░░░░ so I don t ░░░░░░░░ why we think that ░░░░░░░░ conviction on one of ░░░░░░░░ counts or more would ░░░░░░░░ change the fact that ░░░░░░░░ supporters have baked into ░░░░░░░░ cake the fact that ░░░░░░░░ has these legal troubles ░░░░░░░░ know in The Wall ░░░░░░░░ Journal poll if you ░░░░░░░░ the third party candidates ░░░░░░░░ leads narrowly over Biden ░░░░░░░░ is the situation we ░░░░░░░░ at this point STEPHANOPOULOS ░░░░░░░░ maybe it won t ░░░░░░░░ anything Reihan Salam but ░░░░░░░░ almost unanimously now on ░░░░░░░░ stage several days ago ░░░░░░░░ vote for a convicted ░░░░░░░░ Did you ever think ░░░░░░░░ d see the day ░░░░░░░░ Well the truth is ░░░░░░░░ we are in a ░░░░░░░░ polarized moment And when ░░░░░░░░ re looking at the ░░░░░░░░ Party it is strikingly ░░░░░░░░ If you look at ░░░░░░░░ most conservative voters in ░░░░░░░░ party they back the ░░░░░░░░ president disproportionately If you ░░░░░░░░ at more moderate voters ░░░░░░░░ Republican primary voters he ░░░░░░░░ really has a lock ░░░░░░░░ both wings of the ░░░░░░░░ so to speak and ░░░░░░░░ s something that any ░░░░░░░░ has to appreciate and ░░░░░░░░ STEPHANOPOULOS So what does ░░░░░░░░ rival do though Do ░░░░░░░░ right now it seems ░░░░░░░░ of them are treating ░░░░░░░░ former president with kid ░░░░░░░░ At some point is ░░░░░░░░ of the rivals going ░░░░░░░░ have to go after ░░░░░░░░ directly SALAM Well it ░░░░░░░░ as though his rivals ░░░░░░░░ hoping that he s ░░░░░░░░ taken off the board ░░░░░░░░ re relying on some ░░░░░░░░ perhaps the prospect of ░░░░░░░░ lawsuits proving so burdensome ░░░░░░░░ he decides to step ░░░░░░░░ There doesn t appear ░░░░░░░░ be anyone who wants ░░░░░░░░ frontally attack him with ░░░░░░░░ exception of Governor Christie ░░░░░░░░ I guess that leads ░░░░░░░░ other question Heidi how ░░░░░░░░ this legal system process ░░░░░░░░ to play out and ░░░░░░░░ any of these trials ░░░░░░░░ come to trial before ░░░░░░░░ voters have basically made ░░░░░░░░ their mind at least ░░░░░░░░ the Republican side PRZYBYLA ░░░░░░░░ may well but if ░░░░░░░░ dig into that Wall ░░░░░░░░ Journal poll you find ░░░░░░░░ 78 percent of Republican ░░░░░░░░ say that he was ░░░░░░░░ to try to turn ░░░░░░░░ the election So it ░░░░░░░░ not going to necessarily ░░░░░░░░ even if he is ░░░░░░░░ and there s nothing ░░░░░░░░ the Constitution that says ░░░░░░░░ if he s convicted ░░░░░░░░ goes to jail that ░░░░░░░░ can t run a ░░░░░░░░ from a jail cell ░░░░░░░░ the worst circumstances So ░░░░░░░░ it does look like ░░░░░░░░ is we re not ░░░░░░░░ 2016 anymore We are ░░░░░░░░ these mini boomlets like ░░░░░░░░ 2016 of other Republican ░░░░░░░░ STEPHANOPOULOS But nobody s ░░░░░░░░ really above 20 percent ░░░░░░░░ but they re tiny ░░░░░░░░ re tiny It s ░░░░░░░░ 30 percent spread between ░░░░░░░░ candidates and between Trump ░░░░░░░░ you don t see ░░░░░░░░ in the underlying Democratic ░░░░░░░░ the crosstabs to show ░░░░░░░░ this is going to ░░░░░░░░ any time soon and ░░░░░░░░ there s nothing that ░░░░░░░░ come out of a ░░░░░░░░ that would potentially change ░░░░░░░░ STEPHANOPOULOS Susan Page one ░░░░░░░░ the hopes some of ░░░░░░░░ other Republican candidates is ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is at ░░░░░░░░ in some respect somewhat ░░░░░░░░ somewhat softer support in ░░░░░░░░ early states of Iowa ░░░░░░░░ New Hampshire PAGE Yeah ░░░░░░░░ that s that s ░░░░░░░░ formula for defeating him ░░░░░░░░ at least shaking things ░░░░░░░░ in a Republican way ░░░░░░░░ else win Iowa somebody ░░░░░░░░ win New Hampshire prompts ░░░░░░░░ Republican voters to look ░░░░░░░░ some of the are ░░░░░░░░ other options But his ░░░░░░░░ you know his lead ░░░░░░░░ somewhat less in Iowa ░░░░░░░░ New Hampshire It s ░░░░░░░░ double digits It is ░░░░░░░░ pretty formidable Democrats do ░░░░░░░░ two hopes I think ░░░░░░░░ is the economy is ░░░░░░░░ pretty well Inflation has ░░░░░░░░ down Maybe that starts ░░░░░░░░ sink in with voters ░░░░░░░░ the other is the ░░░░░░░░ of abortion that has ░░░░░░░░ so powerful in the ░░░░░░░░ elections and could prove ░░░░░░░░ be that again with ░░░░░░░░ suburban swing women voters ░░░░░░░░ are STEPHANOPOULOS Well that ░░░░░░░░ the question Donna Brazile ░░░░░░░░ happens when it actually ░░░░░░░░ to a general election ░░░░░░░░ did there is a ░░░░░░░░ in the last couple ░░░░░░░░ elections where the Democrats ░░░░░░░░ winning the close races ░░░░░░░░ Because I think the ░░░░░░░░ understand that you know ░░░░░░░░ can beat the superficial ░░░░░░░░ is what we re ░░░░░░░░ on the Republican side ░░░░░░░░ substance and the substance ░░░░░░░░ policies the practices of ░░░░░░░░ Biden Harris administration improving ░░░░░░░░ s lives Look this ░░░░░░░░ week this movement to ░░░░░░░░ prescription drug prices that ░░░░░░░░ going to help Democrats ░░░░░░░░ I have to say ░░░░░░░░ because George I m ░░░░░░░░ enough to say this ░░░░░░░░ ve seen two movements ░░░░░░░░ of the social justice ░░░░░░░░ in my life on ░░░░░░░░ political side One was ░░░░░░░░ Reagan movement Reagan had ░░░░░░░░ hold on his base ░░░░░░░░ country at large they ░░░░░░░░ him as someone who ░░░░░░░░ willing to stand up ░░░░░░░░ American values whatever that ░░░░░░░░ have meant Now I ░░░░░░░░ it was reactionary The ░░░░░░░░ movement I saw was ░░░░░░░░ Obama hope and change ░░░░░░░░ galvanized the American people ░░░░░░░░ ve never seen anything ░░░░░░░░ this with Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ mean what doesn t ░░░░░░░░ you make you stronger ░░░░░░░░ mean being convict I ░░░░░░░░ being indicted that s ░░░░░░░░ him stronger Raising 10 ░░░░░░░░ using an ugly mug ░░░░░░░░ to raise money This ░░░░░░░░ a movement And anyone ░░░░░░░░ thinks that you can ░░░░░░░░ the old political rules ░░░░░░░░ try to defeat this ░░░░░░░░ based on he s ░░░░░░░░ he s ugly whatever ░░░░░░░░ might want to call ░░░░░░░░ this is a movement ░░░░░░░░ we have to respect ░░░░░░░░ fact that it s ░░░░░░░░ movement SALAM I ll ░░░░░░░░ just note that he ░░░░░░░░ been incredibly shrewd and ░░░░░░░░ when he s focused ░░░░░░░░ the political This week ░░░░░░░░ example he was trying ░░░░░░░░ appeal to UAW members ░░░░░░░░ talk about for example ░░░░░░░░ effort to transition away ░░░░░░░░ internal combustion engine vehicles ░░░░░░░░ that might sound like ░░░░░░░░ very wonky thing but ░░░░░░░░ s what he s ░░░░░░░░ focused on and disciplined ░░░░░░░░ when he s campaigning ░░░░░░░░ I think for a ░░░░░░░░ of people they feel ░░░░░░░░ the talk about litigation ░░░░░░░░ know these various charges ░░░░░░░░ consider that noise that ░░░░░░░░ baked in And when ░░░░░░░░ s focused on the ░░░░░░░░ he speaks in a ░░░░░░░░ accessible way that could ░░░░░░░░ meaningful in a general ░░░░░░░░