RUSH TRANSCRIPT Won t ░░░░░░░░ to start until the ░░░░░░░░ after the election Great ░░░░░░░░ see you tonight Thank ░░░░░░░░ so much Correspondent Kaitlan ░░░░░░░░ who anchors the source ░░░░░░░░ the top of the ░░░░░░░░ hour norm eisen also ░░░░░░░░ foegele formal federal judge ░░░░░░░░ California s northern district ░░░░░░░░ currently is the executive ░░░░░░░░ of the Berkeley judicial ░░░░░░░░ So kaitlan I know ░░░░░░░░ the judge judge Chutkan ░░░░░░░░ specifically on procedural issues ░░░░░░░░ she also really did ░░░░░░░░ her hand about her ░░░░░░░░ attitude toward Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ know he s a ░░░░░░░░ here So how is ░░░░░░░░ Trump team processing that ░░░░░░░░ they were in the ░░░░░░░░ in front of her ░░░░░░░░ it had been a ░░░░░░░░ judge This is the ░░░░░░░░ time they were in ░░░░░░░░ of judge Chutkan who ░░░░░░░░ course Trump has been ░░░░░░░░ his allies have been ░░░░░░░░ They ve suggested they ░░░░░░░░ ask for her to ░░░░░░░░ herself She made very ░░░░░░░░ she is not treating ░░░░░░░░ as a former president ░░░░░░░░ a 2024 candidate but ░░░░░░░░ a criminal defendant Essentially ░░░░░░░░ they were trying to ░░░░░░░░ arguments about him being ░░░░░░░░ the campaign trail she ░░░░░░░░ that s basically his ░░░░░░░░ job like any other ░░░░░░░░ Most telling comments she ░░░░░░░░ It s your day ░░░░░░░░ What the next few ░░░░░░░░ could look like here ░░░░░░░░ how she is going ░░░░░░░░ proceed on this That ░░░░░░░░ what we ve been ░░░░░░░░ for We did it ░░░░░░░░ judge cannon Judge Chutkan ░░░░░░░░ looking to see who ░░░░░░░░ going to be her ░░░░░░░░ here That will determine ░░░░░░░░ date the scope on ░░░░░░░░ This is a routine ░░░░░░░░ asking for this protective ░░░░░░░░ It s not a ░░░░░░░░ order She did amend ░░░░░░░░ go with what Trump ░░░░░░░░ team wanted about sensitive ░░░░░░░░ But this just shows ░░░░░░░░ there are going to ░░░░░░░░ so many battles going ░░░░░░░░ Sensitive material restricting Donald ░░░░░░░░ what he can say ░░░░░░░░ sensitive material which are ░░░░░░░░ containing personally identifying information ░░░░░░░░ does that look like ░░░░░░░░ practice for someone like ░░░░░░░░ Trump Categories of materials ░░░░░░░░ they ve designated as ░░░░░░░░ And what that looks ░░░░░░░░ it s grand jury ░░░░░░░░ It s the key ░░░░░░░░ really that they re ░░░░░░░░ to use to prove ░░░░░░░░ case against Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ re legally required to ░░░░░░░░ that to him And ░░░░░░░░ practice what that means ░░░░░░░░ his lawyers will show ░░░░░░░░ the most important information ░░░░░░░░ ll talk to him ░░░░░░░░ it They re probably ░░░░░░░░ just going to leave ░░░░░░░░ in a room to ░░░░░░░░ He ll be able ░░░░░░░░ react to them But ░░░░░░░░ he hears the danger ░░░░░░░░ redline if some of ░░░░░░░░ information is trapped in ░░░░░░░░ brain that isn t ░░░░░░░░ public and then he ░░░░░░░░ it out in whole ░░░░░░░░ in part in a ░░░░░░░░ media posting in a ░░░░░░░░ at one of his ░░░░░░░░ when he s talking ░░░░░░░░ journalists That is where ░░░░░░░░ re going to go ░░░░░░░░ court and say hey ░░░░░░░░ Trump has breached this ░░░░░░░░ And depending on how ░░░░░░░░ he does it there ░░░░░░░░ potentially very serious penalties ░░░░░░░░ that So with an ░░░░░░░░ individual like Trump there ░░░░░░░░ danger that it s ░░░░░░░░ and danger of those ░░░░░░░░ Judge foegele what happens ░░░░░░░░ if Donald Trump does ░░░░░░░░ one of those red ░░░░░░░░ What options are available ░░░░░░░░ judge Chutkan The situation ░░░░░░░░ this would use what ░░░░░░░░ would recognize as progressive ░░░░░░░░ If it happens once ░░░░░░░░ would try to understand ░░░░░░░░ it happened and what ░░░░░░░░ motivation was whether it ░░░░░░░░ inadvertent or intentional or ░░░░░░░░ if it was a ░░░░░░░░ If it happens repeatedly ░░░░░░░░ it becomes more intense ░░░░░░░░ an inquiry You also ░░░░░░░░ to look at what ░░░░░░░░ nature of the breach ░░░░░░░░ If it s something ░░░░░░░░ s really critical like ░░░░░░░░ intimidation or revealing information ░░░░░░░░ is clearly confidential and ░░░░░░░░ defendant knows that it ░░░░░░░░ confidential that s pretty ░░░░░░░░ That affects the integrity ░░░░░░░░ the process What the ░░░░░░░░ is trying to do ░░░░░░░░ I think is balance ░░░░░░░░ Trump s rights as ░░░░░░░░ defendant and every defendant ░░░░░░░░ the same rights to ░░░░░░░░ fair trial and the ░░░░░░░░ of innocence She s ░░░░░░░░ to balance those rights ░░░░░░░░ the need for the ░░░░░░░░ of the process and ░░░░░░░░ things like confidential information ░░░░░░░░ leaked jury pools being ░░░░░░░░ witnesses being dissuaded or ░░░░░░░░ That s the balance ░░░░░░░░ s trying to strike ░░░░░░░░ if a defendant does ░░░░░░░░ that s particularly egregious ░░░░░░░░ if they do things ░░░░░░░░ and over again that ░░░░░░░░ clearly prohibited the judge ░░░░░░░░ the option to impose ░░░░░░░░ Sanctions could be a ░░░░░░░░ The most extreme sanction ░░░░░░░░ be revocation of release ░░░░░░░░ defendant could go to ░░░░░░░░ I think the chance ░░░░░░░░ that happening are very ░░░░░░░░ at this point but ░░░░░░░░ really depends how things ░░░░░░░░ out This day job ░░░░░░░░ when judge Chutkan said ░░░░░░░░ for president is Donald ░░░░░░░░ s day job She ░░░░░░░░ said to the defense ░░░░░░░░ you are conflating what ░░░░░░░░ client needs to do ░░░░░░░░ defend himself and what ░░░░░░░░ wants to do politically ░░░░░░░░ do you think that ░░░░░░░░ his defense team that ░░░░░░░░ understand and or care ░░░░░░░░ that decision Frustration that ░░░░░░░░ saw from John Lauro ░░░░░░░░ s defense attorney was ░░░░░░░░ Mike Pence Obviously he ░░░░░░░░ at the center of ░░░░░░░░ January 6th investigation And ░░░░░░░░ Lauro kind of raised ░░░░░░░░ idea of Mike Pence ░░░░░░░░ on the debate stage ░░░░░░░░ Trump defending himself The ░░░░░░░░ dismissed that She did ░░░░░░░░ say that that was ░░░░░░░░ said it was giving ░░░░░░░░ more concern that she ░░░░░░░░ raising that kind of ░░░░░░░░ point than it was ░░░░░░░░ her of her concerns ░░░░░░░░ think that is something ░░░░░░░░ could potentially see And ░░░░░░░░ back to you know ░░░░░░░░ information does he learn ░░░░░░░░ these documents they could ░░░░░░░░ transcripts and everything And ░░░░░░░░ does he say publicly ░░░░░░░░ think that is where ░░░░░░░░ issue is going to ░░░░░░░░ Because I mean he ░░░░░░░░ very well be on ░░░░░░░░ debate stage with Mike ░░░░░░░░ He s been attacking ░░░░░░░░ Pence pushing back on ░░░░░░░░ claims that he asked ░░░░░░░░ to overturn the Constitution ░░░░░░░░ I think that is ░░░░░░░░ the intersection of this ░░░░░░░░ be His attorney they ░░░░░░░░ very frustrated it seemed ░░░░░░░░ those points in the ░░░░░░░░ Day job comment ambassador ░░░░░░░░ if the Iowa caucuses ░░░░░░░░ your day job there ░░░░░░░░ nothing special about the ░░░░░░░░ caucuses Between that comment ░░░░░░░░ saying literally if this ░░░░░░░░ keeps speaking out I ░░░░░░░░ going to have to ░░░░░░░░ the trial more quickly ░░░░░░░░ do you think he ░░░░░░░░ dissupposed to set the ░░░░░░░░ date Down in the ░░░░░░░░ for the first part ░░░░░░░░ 2024 That s clear ░░░░░░░░ one there s a ░░░░░░░░ presumption under the speedy ░░░░░░░░ act 70 days That ░░░░░░░░ give us October The ░░░░░░░░ is already allowing more ░░░░░░░░ Number two she said ░░░░░░░░ she cannot and will ░░░░░░░░ factor in the effect ░░░░░░░░ political campaigns John That ░░░░░░░░ she s going to ░░░░░░░░ him like any other ░░░░░░░░ who has a day ░░░░░░░░ And then that comment ░░░░░░░░ more inflammatory remarks there ░░░░░░░░ the faster I ll ░░░░░░░░ this trial because of ░░░░░░░░ potential effect on the ░░░░░░░░ pool Who makes more ░░░░░░░░ comments than Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ indications are that we ░░░░░░░░ going to see this ░░░░░░░░ I think probably the ░░░░░░░░ of the