Ron Klain: It’s Hard to Read the Latest Indictment and Not Think How Close It Came to All Working

PSAKI Now when you ░░░░░░░░ reading this because I ░░░░░░░░ t had a chance ░░░░░░░░ ask you or talk ░░░░░░░░ you about this you ░░░░░░░░ the incoming chief of ░░░░░░░░ when this all happened ░░░░░░░░ were preparing to lead ░░░░░░░░ Covid during a really ░░░░░░░░ time in our country ░░░░░░░░ did you think when ░░░░░░░░ read this KLAIN I ░░░░░░░░ how close it came ░░░░░░░░ succeeding The indictment is ░░░░░░░░ damning indictment of what ░░░░░░░░ Trump tried to do ░░░░░░░░ keep the American people ░░░░░░░░ having their will in ░░░░░░░░ election by trying to ░░░░░░░░ the results of the ░░░░░░░░ by trying to interfere ░░░░░░░░ obstruct with the lawful ░░░░░░░░ and the orderly transfer ░░░░░░░░ power I think it ░░░░░░░░ hard to read it ░░░░░░░░ not think how close ░░░░░░░░ came to all working ░░░░░░░░ that I think is ░░░░░░░░ scariest thing of all ░░░░░░░░ this PSAKI The other ░░░░░░░░ I ve never asked ░░░░░░░░ about is during the ░░░░░░░░ I was a spokesperson ░░░░░░░░ the transition you were ░░░░░░░░ incoming chief of staff ░░░░░░░░ remember being worried the ░░░░░░░░ before January 6th about ░░░░░░░░ delay tactics being used ░░░░░░░░ the floor but not ░░░░░░░░ the level of violence ░░░░░░░░ the level of security ░░░░░░░░ And what were you ░░░░░░░░ about at the time ░░░░░░░░ Same thing I was ░░░░░░░░ about an effort to ░░░░░░░░ delay and postpone There ░░░░░░░░ talk that Vice President ░░░░░░░░ wasn t going to ░░░░░░░░ up to preside and ░░░░░░░░ wondered what that all ░░░░░░░░ if that turned out ░░░░░░░░ be true But I ░░░░░░░░ not think that a ░░░░░░░░ would break into the ░░░░░░░░ and end the tabulation ░░░░░░░░ votes And I will ░░░░░░░░ there were times on ░░░░░░░░ 6th where I was ░░░░░░░░ that Donald Trump would ░░░░░░░░ leave the office and ░░░░░░░░ Joe Biden would never ░░░░░░░░ sworn in as president ░░░░░░░░ they would not be ░░░░░░░░ to resume the tabulation ░░░░░░░░ the electoral votes PSAKI ░░░░░░░░ s former chief of ░░░░░░░░ Mark Meadows is not ░░░░░░░░ in the indictment There ░░░░░░░░ speculation he s cooperating ░░░░░░░░ of course don t ░░░░░░░░ any information on that ░░░░░░░░ you did hold the ░░░░░░░░ job And what struck ░░░░░░░░ is just the chief ░░░░░░░░ staff has access so ░░░░░░░░ access to the president ░░░░░░░░ much information What kind ░░░░░░░░ information or access do ░░░░░░░░ have as chief of ░░░░░░░░ to the president for ░░░░░░░░ that are trying to ░░░░░░░░ this KLAIN We have ░░░░░░░░ lot of access to ░░░░░░░░ lot of information and ░░░░░░░░ re supposed to use ░░░░░░░░ for lawful purposes And ░░░░░░░░ question here is there ░░░░░░░░ a conspiracy that developed ░░░░░░░░ the White House a ░░░░░░░░ to not let the ░░░░░░░░ of the voters be ░░░░░░░░ outcome of the election ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy to stop the ░░░░░░░░ process of the transition ░░░░░░░░ power And the question ░░░░░░░░ who was involved in ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy If you re ░░░░░░░░ White House chief of ░░░░░░░░ your job is to ░░░░░░░░ learn of such conspiracies ░░░░░░░░ on and stop it ░░░░░░░░ keep it away from ░░░░░░░░ president And instead it ░░░░░░░░ that the president himself ░░░░░░░░ the help of his ░░░░░░░░ aides promulgated this conspiracy ░░░░░░░░ this conspiracy as I ░░░░░░░░ nearly succeeded in it ░░░░░░░░ One of the things ░░░░░░░░ was also striking but ░░░░░░░░ more so if you ░░░░░░░░ in the White House ░░░░░░░░ that Trump basically went ░░░░░░░░ the typical legal advisers ░░░░░░░░ acting attorney general the ░░░░░░░░ House counsel Mike Pence ░░░░░░░░ the team of lawyers ░░░░░░░░ went to as crackpot ░░░░░░░░ to quote Mike Pence ░░░░░░░░ abnormal is that for ░░░░░░░░ president to go outside ░░░░░░░░ the attorney general the ░░░░░░░░ House counsel and others ░░░░░░░░ I think it gives ░░░░░░░░ a bad name Look ░░░░░░░░ think what happened here ░░░░░░░░ ridiculous and obviously an ░░░░░░░░ to break the law ░░░░░░░░ Barr was Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ handpicked attorney general he ░░░░░░░░ him as his attorney ░░░░░░░░ when he forced out ░░░░░░░░ General Sessions and then ░░░░░░░░ Barr was the attorney ░░░░░░░░ Bill Barr told him ░░░░░░░░ is no basis for ░░░░░░░░ They had a giant ░░░░░░░░ out Barr resigned and ░░░░░░░░ he put in an ░░░░░░░░ attorney general of Donald ░░░░░░░░ s own choosing that ░░░░░░░░ told him basically that ░░░░░░░░ Justice Department has no ░░░░░░░░ here you have to ░░░░░░░░ a legal challenge to ░░░░░░░░ the legal challenge failed ░░░░░░░░ there was no basis ░░░░░░░░ it and then Trump ░░░░░░░░ ignored the legal advice ░░░░░░░░ was getting from his ░░░░░░░░ legal advisers the White ░░░░░░░░ counsel the deputy White ░░░░░░░░ counsel were excluded from ░░░░░░░░ Trump brought in these ░░░░░░░░ who were part of ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy to try to ░░░░░░░░ the results of the ░░░░░░░░ That s what went ░░░░░░░░ inside the White House ░░░░░░░░ s nothing like this ░░░░░░░░ had ever been seen ░░░░░░░░