RUSH TRANSCRIPT Are you ░░░░░░░░ of clean clothes that ░░░░░░░░ don t smell clean ░░░░░░░░ unstopables in Wash scent ░░░░░░░░ keep your laundry smelling ░░░░░░░░ waaaay longer than detergent ░░░░░░░░ If you want laundry ░░░░░░░░ smell fresh for weeks ░░░░░░░░ sure you have downy ░░░░░░░░ in Wash scent boosters ░░░░░░░░ federal grand jury meeting ░░░░░░░░ closed doors right now ░░░░░░░░ they investigate former president ░░░░░░░░ Trump s role in ░░░░░░░░ to overturn the 2020 ░░░░░░░░ They could vote as ░░░░░░░░ as today on criminal ░░░░░░░░ and a possible third ░░░░░░░░ for the former president ░░░░░░░░ re live outside the ░░░░░░░░ house with the latest ░░░░░░░░ battle underway on capital ░░░░░░░░ over new ethics requirements ░░░░░░░░ the Supreme Court After ░░░░░░░░ seareries offeths controversies involving ░░░░░░░░ We re speaking to ░░░░░░░░ member of the committee ░░░░░░░░ what comes next We ░░░░░░░░ following these developing stories ░░░░░░░░ many more all coming ░░░░░░░░ right here to CNN ░░░░░░░░ central The question everyone ░░░░░░░░ wondering will former president ░░░░░░░░ Trump be criminally indicted ░░░░░░░░ a third time We ░░░░░░░░ soon get an answer ░░░░░░░░ that A federal grand ░░░░░░░░ hearing eft in the ░░░░░░░░ counsel s 2020 election ░░░░░░░░ probe is meeting right ░░░░░░░░ not far from our ░░░░░░░░ in the nation s ░░░░░░░░ It may be the ░░░░░░░░ meeting before the grand ░░░░░░░░ votes on an indictment ░░░░░░░░ s lawyers said they ░░░░░░░░ until today to respond ░░░░░░░░ the special counsel s ░░░░░░░░ letter and say whether ░░░░░░░░ will come in and ░░░░░░░░ to the grand jury ░░░░░░░░ is seen as very ░░░░░░░░ to happen Let s ░░░░░░░░ you now live outside ░░░░░░░░ court house with CNN ░░░░░░░░ kaitlan today there s ░░░░░░░░ a flurry of activity ░░░░░░░░ your tell us about ░░░░░░░░ you re seeing Indeed ░░░░░░░░ there are a lot ░░░░░░░░ different witnesses that have ░░░░░░░░ through this grand jury ░░░░░░░░ to build the case ░░░░░░░░ the Justice Department has ░░░░░░░░ looking att Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ potentially others and today ░░░░░░░░ were additional witnesses One ░░░░░░░░ will Russell an aide ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump who had ░░░░░░░░ twice before coming back ░░░░░░░░ the grand jury testifying ░░░░░░░░ morning we believe there ░░░░░░░░ an additional witness as ░░░░░░░░ At least one additional ░░░░░░░░ testifying today too So ░░░░░░░░ grand jury they remain ░░░░░░░░ work But everyone is ░░░░░░░░ on guard at this ░░░░░░░░ for some sort it ░░░░░░░░ major development out of ░░░░░░░░ grand jury because that ░░░░░░░░ letter that Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ on Tuesday essentially said ░░░░░░░░ had the opportunity to ░░░░░░░░ in or to respond ░░░░░░░░ Thursday today to testify ░░░░░░░░ he wanted to in ░░░░░░░░ own defense to present ░░░░░░░░ side of the story ░░░░░░░░ s something that target ░░░░░░░░ an investigation are sometimes ░░░░░░░░ to do when the ░░░░░░░░ Department gives them that ░░░░░░░░ Trump is unlikely to ░░░░░░░░ that opportunity But that ░░░░░░░░ letter itself puts the ░░░░░░░░ Department in a position ░░░░░░░░ they re acknowledging to ░░░░░░░░ he s very likely ░░░░░░░░ be indicted and this ░░░░░░░░ very near the end ░░░░░░░░ the road of the ░░░░░░░░ jury s work at ░░░░░░░░ on an initial case ░░░░░░░░ or a case against ░░░░░░░░ himself So we re ░░░░░░░░ to see what emerges ░░░░░░░░ this grand jury boris ░░░░░░░░ they re doing is ░░░░░░░░ And now and today ░░░░░░░░ in the future as ░░░░░░░░ So exactly how the ░░░░░░░░ couple of days play ░░░░░░░░ or even weeks play ░░░░░░░░ with the grand jury ░░░░░░░░ work we won t ░░░░░░░░ until they approve the ░░░░░░░░ that the Justice Department ░░░░░░░░ to them and then ░░░░░░░░ it go into the ░░░░░░░░ system But a lot ░░░░░░░░ people watching waiting Trump ░░░░░░░░ expecting that indictment And ░░░░░░░░ are many prosecutors from ░░░░░░░░ special counsel s office ░░░░░░░░ at the court at ░░░░░░░░ with the grand jury ░░░░░░░░ well Watching and waiting ░░░░░░░░ sounds like there s ░░░░░░░░ ice cream truck nearby ░░░░░░░░ hope you get to ░░░░░░░░ advantage of that as ░░░░░░░░ await the results from ░░░░░░░░ grand jury Kaitlan thank ░░░░░░░░ so much Let s ░░░░░░░░ to New Jersey the ░░░░░░░░ s summer residence we ░░░░░░░░ kristen homes there kristen ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump and his ░░░░░░░░ wait for a charge ░░░░░░░░ decision from the grand ░░░░░░░░ they re focused on ░░░░░░░░ promise from House Speaker ░░░░░░░░ McCarthy about potentially expunging ░░░░░░░░ s impeachments tell us ░░░░░░░░ that We want to ░░░░░░░░ clear boris because we ░░░░░░░░ told there was no ░░░░░░░░ made This was actually ░░░░░░░░ say that he would ░░░░░░░░ the idea of expunging ░░░░░░░░ impeachment That s is ░░░░░░░░ that would quote unquote ░░░░░░░░ the impeachment According not ░░░░░░░░ lament tarian s officious ░░░░░░░░ s really unclear The ░░░░░░░░ of those votes both ░░░░░░░░ 19 and 2020 will ░░░░░░░░ I do want to ░░░░░░░░ the broader context between ░░░░░░░░ McCarthy the House Speaker ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump when that ░░░░░░░░ remarks were being made ░░░░░░░░ came in a sven ░░░░░░░░ after McCarthy had enraged ░░░░░░░░ his advisors and allies ░░░░░░░░ saying in an interview ░░░░░░░░ CNBC that he just ░░░░░░░░ t sure that Trump ░░░░░░░░ the strongest candidate in ░░░░░░░░ And he called him ░░░░░░░░ apologize for that and ░░░░░░░░ is when this came ░░░░░░░░ But again not making ░░░░░░░░ promises and clearly part ░░░░░░░░ a larger narrative of ░░░░░░░░ trying to win back ░░░░░░░░ with the former president ░░░░░░░░ his AIDS and alleys ░░░░░░░░ to raise questions as ░░░░░░░░ why Speaker McCarthy has ░░░░░░░░ endorsed Trump in 2024 ░░░░░░░░ that we re clearly ░░░░░░░░ an eye on But ░░░░░░░░ doesn t sound like ░░░░░░░░ if he was to ░░░░░░░░ the resolution they would ░░░░░░░░ the votes or any ░░░░░░░░ procedural consequence Let s ░░░░░░░░ all of this now ░░░░░░░░ CNN legal analyst and ░░░░░░░░ House correspondent for PBS ░░░░░░░░ hour Laura Lopez What ░░░░░░░░ this mean for a ░░░░░░░░ indictment Do they hear ░░░░░░░░ and witnesses up until ░░░░░░░░ last moment what can ░░░░░░░░ tell us Sometimes they ░░░░░░░░ evidence and witnesses beyond ░░░░░░░░ last moment as in ░░░░░░░░ Mar a Lago documents ░░░░░░░░ jury that has continued ░░░░░░░░ unfold But briana Donald ░░░░░░░░ is going to be ░░░░░░░░ for a third time ░░░░░░░░ s going to be ░░░░░░░░ indictments typically follow quickly ░░░░░░░░ a target letter They ░░░░░░░░ be discussing it today ░░░░░░░░ we know the three ░░░░░░░░ charge that is Donald ░░░░░░░░ will likely face So ░░░░░░░░ our seat belts a ░░░░░░░░ indictment is near And ░░░░░░░░ you re looking at ░░░░░░░░ third indictment here the ░░░░░░░░ for that which is ░░░░░░░░ real and then a ░░░░░░░░ fourth on the horizon ░░░░░░░░ in Georgia how does ░░░░░░░░ juggle all of this ░░░░░░░░ the middle of a ░░░░░░░░ Well we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ all of them are ░░░░░░░░ to collide right now ░░░░░░░░ wether or not or ░░░░░░░░ these trials will be ░░░░░░░░ And right now we ░░░░░░░░ that the tactic is ░░░░░░░░ the Trump s team ░░░░░░░░ try to go delay ░░░░░░░░ trial in the case ░░░░░░░░ the classified documents into ░░░░░░░░ a Lago that he ░░░░░░░░ been charged with his ░░░░░░░░ of that And he ░░░░░░░░ very well probably try ░░░░░░░░ delay trials on this ░░░░░░░░ as well as the ░░░░░░░░ Fulton County Georgia charges ░░░░░░░░ may come As we ░░░░░░░░ seen time and time ░░░░░░░░ the Republican base sticks ░░░░░░░░ him Even when indictments ░░░░░░░░ handed down and even ░░░░░░░░ we see the potential ░░░░░░░░ of charges they rally ░░░░░░░░ him and none of ░░░░░░░░ candidates his challengers are ░░░░░░░░ away at that at ░░░░░░░░ That s my question ░░░░░░░░ so often you have ░░░░░░░░ candidate that needs to ░░░░░░░░ that they re fighting ░░░░░░░░ their supporters Trump is ░░░░░░░░ a lot about how ░░░░░░░░ s fighting for himself ░░░░░░░░ as much just about ░░░░░░░░ for his supporters but ░░░░░░░░ wonder if his supporters ░░░░░░░░ of feel like that ░░░░░░░░ one in the same ░░░░░░░░ think that they do ░░░░░░░░ you go to the ░░░░░░░░ campaign website so much ░░░░░░░░ the language is that ░░░░░░░░ um charges against me ░░░░░░░░ charges against you And ░░░░░░░░ s trying to tell ░░░░░░░░ base that it s ░░░░░░░░ just him that s ░░░░░░░░ attack it s them ░░░░░░░░ are under attack And ░░░░░░░░ you talk with historians ░░░░░░░░ re saying that s ░░░░░░░░ historic language it s ░░░░░░░░ the supporters it s ░░░░░░░░ entire way of life ░░░░░░░░ really sew massive distrust ░░░░░░░░ the U S Justice ░░░░░░░░ Norm you say and ░░░░░░░░ s three statutes in ░░░░░░░░ letter you say the ░░░░░░░░ of rights that statute ░░░░░░░░ makes it clear that ░░░░░░░░ re looking for a ░░░░░░░░ risky alternative to bring ░░░░░░░░ charges under the insurrection ░░░░░░░░ Can you explain that ░░░░░░░░ yes the as we ░░░░░░░░ in our model prosecution ░░░░░░░░ that I released with ░░░░░░░░ experts last week predicting ░░░░░░░░ target letter and the ░░░░░░░░ there s threele acts ░░░░░░░░ briana there s Trump ░░░░░░░░ wild schemes act one ░░░░░░░░ not counterfeit electoral certificates ░░░░░░░░ And act to using ░░░░░░░░ certificate toss pressure Mike ░░░░░░░░ to throw Congress off ░░░░░░░░ January 6th And when ░░░░░░░░ failed act three and ░░░░░░░░ is where the surprise ░░░░░░░░ comes in act three ░░░░░░░░ violence of January 6th ░░░░░░░░ way to address that ░░░░░░░░ as to Trump is ░░░░░░░░ say insurrection act He ░░░░░░░░ an insurrection But another ░░░░░░░░ of saying the violence ░░░░░░░░ disrupting the meeting of ░░░░░░░░ on January 6th was ░░░░░░░░ assault on the civil ░░░░░░░░ the right of every ░░░░░░░░ who voted by Joe ░░░░░░░░ to have that vote ░░░░░░░░ by Congress and recognized ░░░░░░░░ January 6th So it ░░░░░░░░ an expected move by ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor but with ago ░░░░░░░░ different and I think ░░░░░░░░ legal twist And I ░░░░░░░░ a long essay that ░░░░░░░░ went up at the ░░░░░░░░ security website breaking it ░░░░░░░░ down I think it ░░░░░░░░ going to work All ░░░░░░░░ I will check out ░░░░░░░░ longest say norm I ░░░░░░░░ I will check it ░░░░░░░░ Laura we have new ░░░░░░░░ that in a call ░░░░░░░░ Trump House Speaker Kevin ░░░░░░░░ would personally back the ░░░░░░░░ of expunging Trump s ░░░░░░░░ impeachments but can he ░░░░░░░░ do that It seems ░░░░░░░░ it might be an ░░░░░░░░ promise Well there appears ░░░░░░░░ be divisions within that ░░░░░░░░ Republican conference about wether ░░░░░░░░ not that should be ░░░░░░░░ brought to the floor ░░░░░░░░ there are a number ░░░░░░░░ Republicans in these Biden ░░░░░░░░ district that is have ░░░░░░░░ that majority for the ░░░░░░░░ conference that don t ░░░░░░░░ want to take a ░░░░░░░░ like that because they ░░░░░░░░ it s going to ░░░░░░░░ hard for them to ░░░░░░░░ reelection Um no there ░░░░░░░░ major questions about wether ░░░░░░░░ not this vote can ░░░░░░░░ happen if you can ░░░░░░░░ Trump s impeachment And ░░░░░░░░ know that the speaker ░░░░░░░░ the House said he ░░░░░░░░ t really make that ░░░░░░░░ So now you re ░░░░░░░░ to see what I ░░░░░░░░ could be a pretty ░░░░░░░░ feud between the former ░░░░░░░░ and the speaker now ░░░░░░░░ ll look for that ░░░░░░░░ do have them from ░░░░░░░░ to time Laura thank ░░░░░░░░ and norm thank you ░░░░░░░░ you arizonas well Boris ░░░░░░░░ ethics requirements for the ░░░░░░░░ Court and this is ░░░░░░░░ major weight on capital ░░░░░░░░ And Texas abortion restrictions ░░░░░░░░ the strictest in the ░░░░░░░░ but they may be ░░░░░░░░ a spike in infant ░░░░░░░░ ahead we re going ░░░░░░░░ talk with h a ░░░░░░░░ from that state about ░░░░░░░░ they’re saying.