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    Hawaii Lawyer Says Travel Ban Could Be Constitutional if Issued by Different President (clip)
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    Neal Katyal

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    UNKNOWN All those statements ░░░░░░░░ election statements even the ░░░░░░░░ you just read does ░░░░░░░░ mean that the President ░░░░░░░░ forever barred from issuing ░░░░░░░░ executive order along these ░░░░░░░░ What does he have ░░░░░░░░ do to issue an ░░░░░░░░ order that in your ░░░░░░░░ might pass the constitutional ░░░░░░░░ KATYAL Not at all ░░░░░░░░ are too paths that ░░░░░░░░ President could take in ░░░░░░░░ to pass constitutional muster ░░░░░░░░ is the way that ░░░░░░░░ founders thought Article One ░░░░░░░░ Eight which is Congress ░░░░░░░░ is in the driver ░░░░░░░░ seat with respect to ░░░░░░░░ passes a statute and ░░░░░░░░ Justice Alito said When ░░░░░░░░ passes a statute it ░░░░░░░░ much less likely to ░░░░░░░░ against 535 people versus ░░░░░░░░ which is why his ░░░░░░░░ point is so problematic ░░░░░░░░ second thing they can ░░░░░░░░ the president can do ░░░░░░░░ kinds of things or ░░░░░░░░ of the kinds of ░░░░░░░░ remove the things that ░░░░░░░░ district court found lead ░░░░░░░░ objective observer to say ░░░░░░░░ this discriminates One example ░░░░░░░░ be what Judge Hawkins ░░░░░░░░ about disavowing formally all ░░░░░░░░ this stuff before But ░░░░░░░░ s not it He ░░░░░░░░ do a lot of ░░░░░░░░ I will just throw ░░░░░░░░ some examples I m ░░░░░░░░ trying to micromanage the ░░░░░░░░ but he could say ░░░░░░░░ President Bush did right ░░░░░░░░ September 11 The face ░░░░░░░░ terror is not the ░░░░░░░░ faith of Islam That ░░░░░░░░ not what Islam is ░░░░░░░░ Islam is peace Instead ░░░░░░░░ get Islam hates us ░░░░░░░░ could point to changed ░░░░░░░░ from December 2015 when ░░░░░░░░ debated the exact same ░░░░░░░░ that the President relies ░░░░░░░░ in his executive order ░░░░░░░░ say You know we ░░░░░░░░ need more than just ░░░░░░░░ people entry without a ░░░░░░░░ which is what Congress ░░░░░░░░ You need to do ░░░░░░░░ than that You could ░░░░░░░░ the text which refers ░░░░░░░░ honor killings There s ░░░░░░░░ bunch of different things ░░░░░░░░ could be done And ░░░░░░░░ fundamental point to you ░░░░░░░░ that presidents presidents don ░░░░░░░░ run into establishment clause ░░░░░░░░ The reason for that ░░░░░░░░ that this is a ░░░░░░░░ limited really unusual case ░░░░░░░░ which you have these ░░░░░░░░ statements by the President ░░░░░░░░ you affirm the district ░░░░░░░░ there s not a ░░░░░░░░ that any president has ░░░░░░░░ in our lifetime that ░░░░░░░░ be unconstitutional UNKNOWN Before ░░░░░░░░ Fourth Circuit one of ░░░░░░░░ judges asked Suppose it ░░░░░░░░ been another individual that ░░░░░░░░ the same executive order ░░░░░░░░ then said all these ░░░░░░░░ would it pass constitutional ░░░░░░░░ KATYAL I think the ░░░░░░░░ important point is if ░░░░░░░░ don t say all ░░░░░░░░ things you never wind ░░░░░░░░ with an executive order ░░░░░░░░ this which is why ░░░░░░░░ president has done that ░░░░░░░░ I ll take a ░░░░░░░░ If that hypothetical arose ░░░░░░░░ think it would be ░░░░░░░░ Context matters The Supreme ░░░░░░░░ in McCreary says governments ░░░░░░░░ close shops on Sundays ░░░░░░░░ they do it because ░░░░░░░░ labor they want to ░░░░░░░░ workers a rest that ░░░░░░░░ fine But if they ░░░░░░░░ it and at the ░░░░░░░░ time announce The reason ░░░░░░░░ am doing it is ░░░░░░░░ help churches that s ░░░░░░░░ an establishment clause problem ░░░░░░░░ s why context matters ░░░░░░░░ always has in the ░░░░░░░░ of the establishment clause ░░░░░░░░ the history is overwhelming ░░░░░░░░ s why this is ░░░░░░░░ unique It s not ░░░░░░░░ that will hamstring any ░░░░░░░░ from anything that is ░░░░░░░░ in our lifetimes This ░░░░░░░░ a very unusual circumstance ░░░░░░░░ which you have all ░░░░░░░░ these different statements.”
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