David Remnick: We Don’t Know How Is Putin Going To React to His Own Humiliation

Steele David I I ░░░░░░░░ to talk to you ░░░░░░░░ little bit to expand ░░░░░░░░ on the idea of ░░░░░░░░ not just the the ░░░░░░░░ and the military components ░░░░░░░░ are extremely important here ░░░░░░░░ we know and we ░░░░░░░░ talked about but there ░░░░░░░░ a political thread that ░░░░░░░░ through this for the ░░░░░░░░ States as well You ░░░░░░░░ got the Biden Administration ░░░░░░░░ has largely kind of ░░░░░░░░ let s see how ░░░░░░░░ plays itself out you ░░░░░░░░ the State Department and ░░░░░░░░ officials will have their ░░░░░░░░ you know to the ░░░░░░░░ to hear what s ░░░░░░░░ on inside but not ░░░░░░░░ stepped into the room ░░░░░░░░ much at this point ░░░░░░░░ also have the politics ░░░░░░░░ a presidential campaign where ░░░░░░░░ least one of these ░░░░░░░░ candidates is a huge ░░░░░░░░ of Vladimir Putin Assess ░░░░░░░░ you will sort of ░░░░░░░░ political dynamics from the ░░░░░░░░ S side that could ░░░░░░░░ the narrative a little ░░░░░░░░ going forward as we ░░░░░░░░ past this moment and ░░░░░░░░ get into a political ░░░░░░░░ REMNICK Well you re ░░░░░░░░ with the highest the ░░░░░░░░ stakes international politics imaginable ░░░░░░░░ of the nuclear threat ░░░░░░░░ because of the war ░░░░░░░░ So many so many ░░░░░░░░ of thousands of people ░░░░░░░░ getting killed and quite ░░░░░░░░ I don t see ░░░░░░░░ easy resolution to this ░░░░░░░░ anytime soon I think ░░░░░░░░ can all agree on ░░░░░░░░ If we look at ░░░░░░░░ American political situation it ░░░░░░░░ not just Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ seems friendly to Putin ░░░░░░░░ have you have some ░░░░░░░░ the leading contenders behind ░░░░░░░░ like Rick DeSantis Ron ░░░░░░░░ rather saying you know ░░░░░░░░ have to evaluate this ░░░░░░░░ he s kind of ░░░░░░░░ mouthing it all all ░░░░░░░░ way The Biden Administration ░░░░░░░░ think we have to ░░░░░░░░ that it s it ░░░░░░░░ clear that we may ░░░░░░░░ know much about the ░░░░░░░░ workings of North Korea ░░░░░░░░ some other places but ░░░░░░░░ know a hell of ░░░░░░░░ lot about Russia Time ░░░░░░░░ again our intelligence there ░░░░░░░░ proved to be correct ░░░░░░░░ that is assuring But ░░░░░░░░ s a limited amount ░░░░░░░░ what we can do ░░░░░░░░ the internal politics of ░░░░░░░░ This is this is ░░░░░░░░ something we can control ░░░░░░░░ much we only dimly ░░░░░░░░ it So what comes ░░░░░░░░ Putin if that s ░░░░░░░░ we re facing or ░░░░░░░░ Putin is going to ░░░░░░░░ to his own humiliation ░░░░░░░░ something that is not ░░░░░░░░ our control What s ░░░░░░░░ our control is how ░░░░░░░░ played this which is ░░░░░░░░ be deeply involved to ░░░░░░░░ deeply supportive of Ukraine ░░░░░░░░ at the same time ░░░░░░░░ the same time not ░░░░░░░░ NATO troops on the ░░░░░░░░ of Ukraine It s ░░░░░░░░ very very delicate balance ░░░░░░░░ the next moves we ░░░░░░░░ going to have to ░░░░░░░░ are from Moscow most ░░░░░░░░ not Washington.”