GOP Rep. Nancy Mace: McCarthy Debt Deal ‘Not Worth the Paper It’s Written On’

Bannon We re not ░░░░░░░░ to get into our ░░░░░░░░ guest is Congresswoman Nancy ░░░░░░░░ I want to because ░░░░░░░░ re pressed for time ░░░░░░░░ I want to make ░░░░░░░░ we get into details ░░░░░░░░ voted first of all ░░░░░░░░ have a history in ░░░░░░░░ Carolina when you were ░░░░░░░░ the legislature You re ░░░░░░░░ a person to raise ░░░░░░░░ and don t like ░░░░░░░░ deficits MACE I never ░░░░░░░░ taxes I voted against ░░░░░░░░ spending wasteful spending That ░░░░░░░░ always I ve always ░░░░░░░░ Bannon Why is that ░░░░░░░░ Because South Carolinians and ░░░░░░░░ people deserve better And ░░░░░░░░ you when you talk ░░░░░░░░ America and you know ░░░░░░░░ just talked about this ░░░░░░░░ the vast majority of ░░░░░░░░ Republican independent Democrat they ░░░░░░░░ t want to increase ░░░░░░░░ debt ceiling unless we ░░░░░░░░ spending cuts That is ░░░░░░░░ bottom line This bill ░░░░░░░░ nothing It is not ░░░░░░░░ spending cut bill There ░░░░░░░░ no cap as you ░░░░░░░░ There s literally no ░░░░░░░░ cap Bannon But I ░░░░░░░░ to go back the ░░░░░░░░ On the first one ░░░░░░░░ voted but you weren ░░░░░░░░ entirely happy even on ░░░░░░░░ MACE I was reluctant ░░░░░░░░ on that vote because ░░░░░░░░ didn t believe the ░░░░░░░░ was fiscally conservative enough ░░░░░░░░ when you go to ░░░░░░░░ when you go to ░░░░░░░░ table to negotiate you ░░░░░░░░ to come from the ░░░░░░░░ conservative position you can ░░░░░░░░ you know you have ░░░░░░░░ give things up You ░░░░░░░░ you have to build ░░░░░░░░ And when I look ░░░░░░░░ I see what we ░░░░░░░░ out of this thing ░░░░░░░░ got nothing out of ░░░░░░░░ thing Bannon Then you ░░░░░░░░ and held your fire ░░░░░░░░ the bill was released ░░░░░░░░ you over the weekend ░░░░░░░░ me through that experience ░░░░░░░░ Well we can t ░░░░░░░░ about it or speak ░░░░░░░░ it in detail unless ░░░░░░░░ actually have the text ░░░░░░░░ I don t want ░░░░░░░░ get ahead of my ░░░░░░░░ I wanted to make ░░░░░░░░ that I knew what ░░░░░░░░ was talking about no ░░░░░░░░ which way I was ░░░░░░░░ about I wanted to ░░░░░░░░ there I wanted to ░░░░░░░░ a yes on this ░░░░░░░░ We got the bill ░░░░░░░░ Sunday night I sat ░░░░░░░░ till midnight reading it ░░░░░░░░ slept woke up at ░░░░░░░░ 00 A M re ░░░░░░░░ it again to make ░░░░░░░░ I knew what I ░░░░░░░░ talking about And I ░░░░░░░░ angry I was very ░░░░░░░░ The American people were ░░░░░░░░ fed a bed of ░░░░░░░░ about this bill and ░░░░░░░░ members of our conference ░░░░░░░░ It does not do ░░░░░░░░ the American people are ░░░░░░░░ it does and that ░░░░░░░░ as the first woman ░░░░░░░░ graduate from the Citadel ░░░░░░░░ were told not to ░░░░░░░░ cheat or steal or ░░░░░░░░ those who do and ░░░░░░░░ just can t go ░░░░░░░░ It s not it ░░░░░░░░ not right it s ░░░░░░░░ what the American people ░░░░░░░░ Bannon That s what ░░░░░░░░ so shocking When you ░░░░░░░░ came out you said ░░░░░░░░ read it twice and ░░░░░░░░ m a hard no ░░░░░░░░ shocked people Because most ░░░░░░░░ would think you re ░░░░░░░░ closely aligned to leadership ░░░░░░░░ I m very much ░░░░░░░░ of small l libertarian ░░░░░░░░ m fiscally conservative I ░░░░░░░░ am sensible Some people ░░░░░░░░ me a moderate I ░░░░░░░░ centrist but I ve ░░░░░░░░ been fiscally conservative And ░░░░░░░░ I read it and ░░░░░░░░ read the fine print ░░░░░░░░ s literally not worth ░░░░░░░░ paper it s printed ░░░░░░░░ because there s so ░░░░░░░░ ways to get around ░░░░░░░░ caps For example the ░░░░░░░░ director has sole authority ░░░░░░░░ wave Bannon The PAYGO ░░░░░░░░ a joke MACE The ░░░░░░░░ it s not PAYGO ░░░░░░░░ s not It s ░░░░░░░░ Bannon And they take ░░░░░░░░ s over trillion dollars ░░░░░░░░ savings Is there when ░░░░░░░░ see that 1 5 ░░░░░░░░ 2 3 the range ░░░░░░░░ cuts and those things ░░░░░░░░ talk about and you ░░░░░░░░ gone through the document ░░░░░░░░ times do you believe ░░░░░░░░ of that MACE No ░░░░░░░░ doesn t exist It ░░░░░░░░ not actually in the ░░░░░░░░ We were told we ░░░░░░░░ gutting the IRS and ░░░░░░░░ the hiring of 87 ░░░░░░░░ IRS agents It s ░░░░░░░░ not in the bill ░░░░░░░░ on page 53 line ░░░░░░░░ we cut 1 4 ░░░░░░░░ from the IRS That ░░░░░░░░ it Bannon Of 80 ░░░░░░░░ MACE Of 80 billion ░░░░░░░░ than 2 1 5 ░░░░░░░░ 4 something like that ░░░░░░░░ we also say they ░░░░░░░░ say in appropriations We ░░░░░░░░ going to cut 10 ░░░░░░░░ from the IRS Well ░░░░░░░░ IRS gets to decide ░░░░░░░░ that 10 billion cut ░░░░░░░░ from if they do ░░░░░░░░ at all They get ░░░░░░░░ say in this And ░░░░░░░░ I was I was ░░░░░░░░ when I read the ░░░░░░░░ because it s not ░░░░░░░░ we were told it ░░░░░░░░ Bannon So when you ░░░░░░░░ to leadership because they ░░░░░░░░ out there and they ░░░░░░░░ got certain MAGA people ░░░░░░░░ it some House Freedom ░░░░░░░░ members supporting it trying ░░░░░░░░ spin it and trying ░░░░░░░░ sell it it s ░░░░░░░░ When you talk the ░░░░░░░░ what is their response ░░░░░░░░ the scenes When you ░░░░░░░░ Hey look I don ░░░░░░░░ believe in this and ░░░░░░░░ importantly the folks in ░░░░░░░░ Carolina are not stupid ░░░░░░░░ re smart folks right ░░░░░░░░ may not have gone ░░░░░░░░ all these great schools ░░░░░░░░ may not have all ░░░░░░░░ fancy degrees but they ░░░░░░░░ hardworking people and have ░░░░░░░░ sense If you try ░░░░░░░░ lie and spin this ░░░░░░░░ sell it to them ░░░░░░░░ are going to be ░░░░░░░░ angry than anything cause ░░░░░░░░ think you feel that ░░░░░░░░ re stupid MACE They ░░░░░░░░ just spinning it till ░░░░░░░░ re blue in the ░░░░░░░░ right now We found ░░░░░░░░ CBO the Congressional Budget ░░░░░░░░ came out with their ░░░░░░░░ last night Come to ░░░░░░░░ out with the SNAP ░░░░░░░░ that were put in ░░░░░░░░ that we were going ░░░░░░░░ make work requirements to ░░░░░░░░ it harder etc we ░░░░░░░░ actually increasing government welfare ░░░░░░░░ a significant portion Bannon ░░░░░░░░ it 74 000 new ░░░░░░░░ Yes per month Per ░░░░░░░░ Bannon My favorite thing ░░░░░░░░ they re saying there ░░░░░░░░ a big thing about ░░░░░░░░ requirements It turns out ░░░░░░░░ 000 per month we ░░░░░░░░ adding to the list ░░░░░░░░ Yeah we re actually ░░░░░░░░ government welfare I thought ░░░░░░░░ as Republicans we were ░░░░░░░░ we wanted people to ░░░░░░░░ and be responsible for ░░░░░░░░ those who are in ░░░░░░░░ we help them Bannon ░░░░░░░░ feel better and get ░░░░░░░░ job and everything yeah ░░░░░░░░ And be productive members ░░░░░░░░ society Now there are ░░░░░░░░ who are going to ░░░░░░░░ help for a lifetime ░░░░░░░░ the vast majority of ░░░░░░░░ can work and be ░░░░░░░░ members of society And ░░░░░░░░ re actually growing welfare ░░░░░░░░ this thing They denied ░░░░░░░░ last night but that ░░░░░░░░ what the CBO scores ░░░░░░░░ CBO also says in ░░░░░░░░ of deficit reduction 1 ░░░░░░░░ trillion in 10 years ░░░░░░░░ as our entitlement programs ░░░░░░░░ going insolvent and that ░░░░░░░░ that means that you ░░░░░░░░ years 3 10 where ░░░░░░░░ s no statutory binding ░░░░░░░░ s zero Bannon Forget ░░░░░░░░ It s a two ░░░░░░░░ deal MACE It s ░░░░░░░░ pipe dream It s ░░░░░░░░ two year deal You ░░░░░░░░ t get there in ░░░░░░░░ years You actually add ░░░░░░░░ trillion to the debt ░░░░░░░░ is why I was ░░░░░░░░ Bannon Minimum MACE Minimum ░░░░░░░░ By the way if ░░░░░░░░ economy is slowing tax ░░░░░░░░ we know are going ░░░░░░░░ be less That s ░░░░░░░░ Yellen is skipping around ░░░░░░░░ s going to be ░░░░░░░░ trillion it could be ░░░░░░░░ trillion If we have ░░░░░░░░ sort of emergency like ░░░░░░░░ CCP bioweapon you could ░░░░░░░░ another 7 or 8 ░░░░░░░░ This condemns us to ░░░░░░░░ lost decades of Japan ░░░░░░░░ the 90s because you ░░░░░░░░ going to have 1 ░░░░░░░░ 5 growth huge you ░░░░░░░░ be over trillion dollars ░░░░░░░░ year crowding out real ░░░░░░░░ MACE The other thing ░░░░░░░░ people don t realize ░░░░░░░░ that we are setting ░░░░░░░░ law which is why ░░░░░░░░ clean debt ceiling would ░░░░░░░░ better than this bill ░░░░░░░░ are making law that ░░░░░░░░ baseline spending going forward ░░░░░░░░ going to be Covid ░░░░░░░░ spending highest record high ░░░░░░░░ historic high spending That ░░░░░░░░ what we re putting ░░░░░░░░ law here That is ░░░░░░░░ baseline going forward And ░░░░░░░░ not to mention the ░░░░░░░░ doesn t control anything ░░░░░░░░ there s an emergency ░░░░░░░░ a hurricane Ukraine market ░░░░░░░░ There are ways to ░░░░░░░░ around these caps and ░░░░░░░░ s how they do ░░░░░░░░ And they will do ░░░░░░░░ They will do it ░░░░░░░░ Oh they ll definitely ░░░░░░░░ around it The you ░░░░░░░░ something about clean debt ░░░░░░░░ It you had clean ░░░░░░░░ ceiling with a cap ░░░░░░░░ if you had MACE ░░░░░░░░ d be better than ░░░░░░░░ Bannon If you had ░░░░░░░░ petition have a couple ░░░░░░░░ and those guys vote ░░░░░░░░ it let it happen ░░░░░░░░ is better than having ░░░░░░░░ center part of the ░░░░░░░░ push this forward MACE ░░░░░░░░ It s not fiscally ░░░░░░░░ What we re doing ░░░░░░░░ are selling away our ░░░░░░░░ and our grandkids future ░░░░░░░░ mean and I m ░░░░░░░░ single mom of two ░░░░░░░░ kids and I can ░░░░░░░░ look my kids in ░░░░░░░░ eye and say I ░░░░░░░░ this For their future ░░░░░░░░ am not doing it ░░░░░░░░ When you first came ░░░░░░░░ the reason this city ░░░░░░░░ imperial capital was in ░░░░░░░░ they were Oh my ░░░░░░░░ we thought she was ░░░░░░░░ to leadership she s ░░░░░░░░ smart she understands what ░░░░░░░░ going on here and ░░░░░░░░ s going what was ░░░░░░░░ pressure that came on ░░░░░░░░ from leadership as soon ░░░░░░░░ that happened as soon ░░░░░░░░ you had the jailbreak ░░░░░░░░ Certainly leadership was reaching ░░░░░░░░ to me and I ░░░░░░░░ had conversations with Bannon ░░░░░░░░ Is that true Did ░░░░░░░░ really reach out to ░░░░░░░░ MACE They were definitely ░░░░░░░░ folks But you know ░░░░░░░░ I would say a ░░░░░░░░ Where in the bill ░░░░░░░░ you show me the ░░░░░░░░ the page and the ░░░░░░░░ where we re doing ░░░░░░░░ Couldn t do it ░░░░░░░░ How does McHenry is ░░░░░░░░ smart guy MACE I ░░░░░░░░ McHenry he s a ░░░░░░░░ guy Bannon He s ░░░░░░░░ very smart guy How ░░░░░░░░ McHenry being a smart ░░░░░░░░ think he can sell ░░░░░░░░ to you and to ░░░░░░░░ that have gone through ░░░░░░░░ in some detail and ░░░░░░░░ not part of what ░░░░░░░░ the MAGA extremists right ░░░░░░░░ posse How do they ░░░░░░░░ they can sell it ░░░░░░░░ you when you confront ░░░░░░░░ and say Let s ░░░░░░░░ go to the document ░░░░░░░░ Well I try to ░░░░░░░░ it as an agnostic ░░░░░░░░ I would go to ░░░░░░░░ and say Where in ░░░░░░░░ bill does it do ░░░░░░░░ And it just doesn ░░░░░░░░ No one could come ░░░░░░░░ and say Well this ░░░░░░░░ where we re cutting ░░░░░░░░ spending or the deficit ░░░░░░░░ think that clawing back ░░░░░░░░ unspent Covid funds is ░░░░░░░░ cut It s not ░░░░░░░░ do you really think ░░░░░░░░ are going to give ░░░░░░░░ money back They re ░░░░░░░░ to find a way ░░░░░░░░ spend it It s ░░░░░░░░ But they don t ░░░░░░░░ Well it s going ░░░░░░░░ commerce First of all ░░░░░░░░ s going to the ░░░░░░░░ stuff it s going ░░░░░░░░ commerce it s not ░░░░░░░░ coming off the balance ░░░░░░░░ MACE Right Bannon There ░░░░░░░░ no decrease in here ░░░░░░░░ shifted it to commerce ░░░░░░░░ they ll figure out ░░░░░░░░ way to use that ░░░░░░░░ something else MACE It ░░░░░░░░ a shell game It ░░░░░░░░ what we would call ░░░░░░░░ shell game Bannon Three ░░░░░░░░ Monte MACE That s ░░░░░░░░ it is But they ░░░░░░░░ t come back because ░░░░░░░░ try to be agnostic ░░░░░░░░ come from a purple ░░░░░░░░ very independent minded I ░░░░░░░░ very pragmatic I m ░░░░░░░░ black and white What ░░░░░░░░ the numbers That s ░░░░░░░░ I want to look ░░░░░░░░ it in the spreadsheet ░░░░░░░░ is it actually saying ░░░░░░░░ are we doing And ░░░░░░░░ one could give me ░░░░░░░░ evidence in the bill ░░░░░░░░ this is how it ░░░░░░░░ going to work for ░░░░░░░░ next 10 years because ░░░░░░░░ doesn t exist Bannon ░░░░░░░░ about the purple district ░░░░░░░░ know CNN the power ░░░░░░░░ a CNN poll came ░░░░░░░░ you could tell they ░░░░░░░░ it they got shocked ░░░░░░░░ s why they had ░░░░░░░░ get to two years ░░░░░░░░ poll 60 of all ░░░░░░░░ think it shouldn t ░░░░░░░░ increased unless there s ░░░░░░░░ cuts 15 said Just ░░░░░░░░ ahead and default and ░░░░░░░░ s figure it out ░░░░░░░░ 75 are saying there ░░░░░░░░ to be massive cuts ░░░░░░░░ when you look at ░░░░░░░░ crosstabs 45 of Democrats ░░░░░░░░ of Democrats say it ░░░░░░░░ not be increased unless ░░░░░░░░ re real cuts not ░░░░░░░░ In your district how ░░░░░░░░ this going to play ░░░░░░░░ Well I haven t ░░░░░░░░ it but what I ░░░░░░░░ tell you because I ░░░░░░░░ most of my district ░░░░░░░░ independents and then it ░░░░░░░░ the Republicans and then ░░░░░░░░ but when you see ░░░░░░░░ data my instinct as ░░░░░░░░ suburban mom is this ░░░░░░░░ not right And we ░░░░░░░░ seeing that support because ░░░░░░░░ independents and even a ░░░░░░░░ Democrats as you cited ░░░░░░░░ real spending cuts in ░░░░░░░░ to increase the debt ░░░░░░░░ And they realize this ░░░░░░░░ doesn t do that ░░░░░░░░ I I try to ░░░░░░░░ very pragmatic and agnostic ░░░░░░░░ nonpartisan when I m ░░░░░░░░ at these especially spending ░░░░░░░░ but we just we ░░░░░░░░ setting into law Biden ░░░░░░░░ entirely progressive agenda We ░░░░░░░░ paying for all of ░░░░░░░░ in this bill And ░░░░░░░░ yesterday we saw members ░░░░░░░░ his administration gloating in ░░░░░░░░ national media talking about ░░░░░░░░ they re going to ░░░░░░░░ Republicans and steamroll this ░░░░░░░░ based on what s ░░░░░░░░ this bill I refuse ░░░░░░░░ stand down I refuse ░░░░░░░░ be rolled over And ░░░░░░░░ know love or hate ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump would never ░░░░░░░░ this to happen He ░░░░░░░░ never He would be ░░░░░░░░ at the table he ░░░░░░░░ make a new deal ░░░░░░░░ DeSantis too We need ░░░░░░░░ leadership in 24 We ░░░░░░░░ allow this to continue ░░░░░░░░ is typical D C ░░░░░░░░ of the mill D ░░░░░░░░ math they re doing ░░░░░░░░ it s wrong Bannon ░░░░░░░░ problem with the second ░░░░░░░░ is that when President ░░░░░░░░ in my opinion President ░░░░░░░░ returns or for other ░░░░░░░░ DeSantis whoever it is ░░░░░░░░ they get there in ░░░░░░░░ first off you will ░░░░░░░░ a lame duck session ░░░░░░░░ they ll do anything ░░░░░░░░ the debt ceiling one ░░░░░░░░ two you will have ░░░░░░░░ 4 trillion or 5 ░░░░░░░░ Your ability to maneuver ░░░░░░░░ going to be so ░░░░░░░░ You will have interest ░░░░░░░░ over a trillion dollars ░░░░░░░░ will have you will ░░░░░░░░ 35 or 36 or ░░░░░░░░ trillion of face amount ░░░░░░░░ what they get at ░░░░░░░░ Federal Reserve the economy ░░░░░░░░ going to be a ░░░░░░░░ fire so any Republican ░░░░░░░░ steps in is going ░░░░░░░░ be shackled to the ░░░░░░░░ regime in perpetuity That ░░░░░░░░ what they want to ░░░░░░░░ And they want to ░░░░░░░░ in the Covid the ░░░░░░░░ increase in government that ░░░░░░░░ during the bioweapon attack ░░░░░░░░ the CCP they want ░░░░░░░░ lock that in You ░░░░░░░░ it in you ve ░░░░░░░░ MACE By law You ░░░░░░░░ it in by law ░░░░░░░░ By law you ve ░░░░░░░░ all the problems with ░░░░░░░░ the Biden regime policies ░░░░░░░░ Right And it s ░░░░░░░░ to be even more ░░░░░░░░ to roll this back ░░░░░░░░ years from now because ░░░░░░░░ the debt we re ░░░░░░░░ to the government and ░░░░░░░░ s going to be ░░░░░░░░ to fix I mean ░░░░░░░░ cuts we ll have ░░░░░░░░ make two years from ░░░░░░░░ are going to be ░░░░░░░░ difficult Bannon So when ░░░░░░░░ talk to leadership in ░░░░░░░░ kind of Hey I ░░░░░░░░ not a MAGA extremist ░░░░░░░░ know I m a ░░░░░░░░ what s their response ░░░░░░░░ you MACE Well it ░░░░░░░░ just spin I mean ░░░░░░░░ s just it s ░░░░░░░░ spin They want to ░░░░░░░░ what s happening here ░░░░░░░░ I I come with ░░░░░░░░ I ve had fellow ░░░░░░░░ of mine pile on ░░░░░░░░ they wanted to say ░░░░░░░░ we re gutting the ░░░░░░░░ and I m saying ░░░░░░░░ no here is in ░░░░░░░░ where we don t ░░░░░░░░ the IRS That s ░░░░░░░░ true When I come ░░░░░░░░ at lies with facts ░░░░░░░░ truth it s just ░░░░░░░░ lieutenants are out there ░░░░░░░░ re piling on and ░░░░░░░░ Bannon They re whipping ░░░░░░░░ hard is that right ░░░░░░░░ Oh yeah Last night ░░░░░░░░ had a fellow colleague ░░░░░░░░ mine tell me that ░░░░░░░░ don t have the ░░░░░░░░ to speak my opinion ░░░░░░░░ speak my voice or ░░░░░░░░ know that I didn ░░░░░░░░ have the right to ░░░░░░░░ that And I was ░░░░░░░░ I m sorry but ░░░░░░░░ have a First Amendment ░░░░░░░░ this country and we ░░░░░░░░ Bannon Why did they ░░░░░░░░ that MACE Well because ░░░░░░░░ m speaking the truth ░░░░░░░░ I m giving facts ░░░░░░░░ the American people I ░░░░░░░░ them to know what ░░░░░░░░ in this bill what ░░░░░░░░ does and does not ░░░░░░░░ which is why that ░░░░░░░░ tweet thread come out ░░░░░░░░ because I want people ░░░░░░░░ know what s actually ░░░░░░░░ Bannon We put it ░░░░░░░░ on the show yesterday ░░░░░░░░ s still the best ░░░░░░░░ kind of tweet by ░░░░░░░░ in that thread of ░░░░░░░░ what this is going ░░░░░░░░ you stay for another ░░░░░░░░ MACE Sure Bannon Okay ░░░░░░░░ Nancy Mace By the ░░░░░░░░ we re saying the ░░░░░░░░ is so worked up ░░░░░░░░ this particularly on the ░░░░░░░░ to be treated like ░░░░░░░░ folks in these particularly ░░░░░░░░ the south up in ░░░░░░░░ Plains states and let ░░░░░░░░ throw in Arizona and ░░░░░░░░ out west these big ░░░░░░░░ red districts that have ░░░░░░░░ that voted this is ░░░░░░░░ defining moment right now ░░░░░░░░ will be the most ░░░░░░░░ vote that s taken ░░░░░░░░ this this is more ░░░░░░░░ than the speaker s ░░░░░░░░ This is the single ░░░░░░░░ important vote that will ░░░░░░░░ taken in this Congress ░░░░░░░░ isn t a funny ░░░░░░░░ And people in deep ░░░░░░░░ districts that vote for ░░░░░░░░ you should assume your ░░░░░░░░ assumption is that you ░░░░░░░░ gonna get a big ░░░░░░░░ primary challenge because I ░░░░░░░░ already my phone s ░░░░░░░░ up nonstop people are ░░░░░░░░ about this People have ░░░░░░░░ your backs and it ░░░░░░░░ a tissue of lies ░░░░░░░░ thing people are so ░░░░░░░░ about you re treating ░░░░░░░░ like idiots and they ░░░░░░░░ not idiots The American ░░░░░░░░ have an innate common ░░░░░░░░ very smart They re ░░░░░░░░ point they re angry ░░░░░░░░ they should be angry.”