‘That’s Not a Lie?!’ Ari Melber Throws Down with Trump Attorney over Hush Money Payment

MELBER Cohen with the ░░░░░░░░ of Corporation 1 arranged ░░░░░░░░ the purchase of those ░░░░░░░░ to suppress them and ░░░░░░░░ them from influencing the ░░░░░░░░ The new reporting is ░░░░░░░░ want to get the ░░░░░░░░ of your response prosecutors ░░░░░░░░ argue that 130 000 ░░░░░░░░ a donation to Trump ░░░░░░░░ campaign under the theory ░░░░░░░░ the money was silencing ░░░░░░░░ benefitting his candidacy So ░░░░░░░░ part question Why lie ░░░░░░░░ this and why misidentify ░░░░░░░░ payment if it was ░░░░░░░░ And second your response ░░░░░░░░ this theory of the ░░░░░░░░ TACOPINA A donation to ░░░░░░░░ campaign by himself Okay ░░░░░░░░ s what it would ░░░░░░░░ This is very diff ░░░░░░░░ John Edwards remember that ░░░░░░░░ where a third party ░░░░░░░░ for John Edwards mistress ░░░░░░░░ was pregnant with his ░░░░░░░░ and all that stuff ░░░░░░░░ was a third party ░░░░░░░░ was a donor He ░░░░░░░░ acquitted and the DoJ ░░░░░░░░ all charges on the ░░░░░░░░ council on that This ░░░░░░░░ different This is Donald ░░░░░░░░ paying with his own ░░░░░░░░ Here s the bright ░░░░░░░░ test and here s ░░░░░░░░ this case falls miserably ░░░░░░░░ the way yes I ░░░░░░░░ his lawyer so you ░░░░░░░░ expect that from me ░░░░░░░░ what you have here ░░░░░░░░ legal scholars former members ░░░░░░░░ the Federal Election Committee ░░░░░░░░ publicly stated there s ░░░░░░░░ crime here no campaign ░░░░░░░░ violation because here s ░░░░░░░░ deal First of all ░░░░░░░░ s a crucial distinction ░░░░░░░░ separating campaign funds from ░░░░░░░░ funds right On personal ░░░░░░░░ usage here s the ░░░░░░░░ line test it ends ░░░░░░░░ case it ends any ░░░░░░░░ with regard to Stormy ░░░░░░░░ If the spending or ░░░░░░░░ fulfillment of a commitment ░░░░░░░░ the expenditure would existed ░░░░░░░░ of the campaign it ░░░░░░░░ not a campaign law ░░░░░░░░ End of story this ░░░░░░░░ have existed irrespective of ░░░░░░░░ campaign MELBER You re ░░░░░░░░ a potential defense that ░░░░░░░░ would have paid this ░░░░░░░░ regardless TACOPINA It s ░░░░░░░░ only that I say ░░░░░░░░ His lawyer at the ░░░░░░░░ who pled guilty to ░░░░░░░░ sorts of lies and ░░░░░░░░ who s now a ░░░░░░░░ said that under oath ░░░░░░░░ said that under oath ░░░░░░░░ Can you point to ░░░░░░░░ payments that Trump made ░░░░░░░░ this outside of a ░░░░░░░░ TACOPINA During the time ░░░░░░░░ the campaign MELBER Outside ░░░░░░░░ that campaign year in ░░░░░░░░ other many years on ░░░░░░░░ Earth has he ever ░░░░░░░░ a payment like this ░░░░░░░░ I have no idea ░░░░░░░░ I have no idea ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump is a ░░░░░░░░ individual gets sued by ░░░░░░░░ lot of people commences ░░░░░░░░ and all the time ░░░░░░░░ are settled I ve ░░░░░░░░ hundreds of people in ░░░░░░░░ situations where they make ░░░░░░░░ for what s called ░░░░░░░░ nuisance settlement 125 000 ░░░░░░░░ you it s nothing ░░░░░░░░ to me it would ░░░░░░░░ important but to Donald ░░░░░░░░ it s what s ░░░░░░░░ a nuisance settlement okay ░░░░░░░░ when you do that ░░░░░░░░ s to make a ░░░░░░░░ an embarrassing problem go ░░░░░░░░ It doesn t mean ░░░░░░░░ s real because he ░░░░░░░░ denies the affair so ░░░░░░░░ doesn t mean it ░░░░░░░░ real or not It ░░░░░░░░ you re settling something ░░░░░░░░ not have to deal ░░░░░░░░ the aggravation of it ░░░░░░░░ It sounds like a ░░░░░░░░ of money to me ░░░░░░░░ we ve never done ░░░░░░░░ much together but if ░░░░░░░░ re at the early ░░░░░░░░ special with me you ░░░░░░░░ know I like to ░░░░░░░░ things as cost effective ░░░░░░░░ possible TACOPINA That s ░░░░░░░░ you have that big ░░░░░░░░ account MELBER But I ░░░░░░░░ ask you this If ░░░░░░░░ of what you say ░░░░░░░░ true TACOPINA It is ░░░░░░░░ then why was Trump ░░░░░░░░ about it and hiding ░░░░░░░░ at the time And ░░░░░░░░ ll play that for ░░░░░░░░ response He lied about ░░░░░░░░ We all know that ░░░░░░░░ a look TACOPINA Let ░░░░░░░░ see Clip starts Reporter ░░░░░░░░ President did you know ░░░░░░░░ the 130 000 payment ░░░░░░░░ Stormy Daniels Trump No ░░░░░░░░ What else Reporter Then ░░░░░░░░ did Michael Cohen make ░░░░░░░░ if there was no ░░░░░░░░ to her allegations Trump ░░░░░░░░ you ll have to ░░░░░░░░ Michael Michael s my ░░░░░░░░ and you ll have ░░░░░░░░ ask Michael Clip ends ░░░░░░░░ Ari that is if ░░░░░░░░ s what you re ░░░░░░░░ to consider a lie ░░░░░░░░ lie to me is ░░░░░░░░ material under oath in ░░░░░░░░ proceeding MELBER I didn ░░░░░░░░ say perjury I said ░░░░░░░░ lie TACOPINA Yeah but ░░░░░░░░ s not a lie ░░░░░░░░ That s not a ░░░░░░░░ TACOPINA Here s why ░░░░░░░░ s not a lie ░░░░░░░░ That s not a ░░░░░░░░ TACOPINA Here s why ░░░░░░░░ s not a lie ░░░░░░░░ you put the paper ░░░░░░░░ Put the paper down ░░░░░░░░ me answer MELBER Did ░░░░░░░░ know about this No ░░░░░░░░ don t TACOPINA We ░░░░░░░░ t need that Here ░░░░░░░░ why it s not ░░░░░░░░ lie Because it was ░░░░░░░░ confidential settlement So if ░░░░░░░░ acknowledged that he would ░░░░░░░░ violating the confidential settlement ░░░░░░░░ is it the truth ░░░░░░░░ course it s not ░░░░░░░░ truth Was he supposed ░░░░░░░░ tell the truth He ░░░░░░░░ be in violation of ░░░░░░░░ agreement if he told ░░░░░░░░ truth So by him ░░░░░░░░ that by him doing ░░░░░░░░ he was abiding by ░░░░░░░░ only his rights but ░░░░░░░░ Daniels rights MELBER It ░░░░░░░░ like we re drawing ░░░░░░░░ blood here because you ░░░░░░░░ having a strong reaction ░░░░░░░░ did lie about it ░░░░░░░░ in a confidential settlement ░░░░░░░░ can easily say No ░░░░░░░░ or I m not ░░░░░░░░ into it He says ░░░░░░░░ the reason why I ░░░░░░░░ at this he says ░░░░░░░░ No I didn t ░░░░░░░░ about it And he ░░░░░░░░ know about it didn ░░░░░░░░ he TACOPINA But here ░░░░░░░░ the thing I don ░░░░░░░░ know the timing of ░░░░░░░░ video I really don ░░░░░░░░ And I m not ░░░░░░░░ to play MELBER April ░░░░░░░░ TACOPINA I don t ░░░░░░░░ about the timing of ░░░░░░░░ video in relation to ░░░░░░░░ timing of that other ░░░░░░░░ where he was speaking ░░░░░░░░ Michael Cohen What was ░░░░░░░░ date of that other ░░░░░░░░ Do you know MELBER ░░░░░░░░ We have the Cohen ░░░░░░░░ this was around the ░░░░░░░░ campaign pre November So ░░░░░░░░ was 2018 later The ░░░░░░░░ conversations were in the ░░░░░░░░ of 2016 TACOPINA Of ░░░░░░░░ MELBER Yes sir TACOPINA ░░░░░░░░ obviously he knew about ░░░░░░░░ but what he decided ░░░░░░░░ do was not violate ░░░░░░░░ confidentiality clause and provision ░░░░░░░░ that agreement which was ░░░░░░░░ right thing to do ░░░░░░░░ yeah he could have ░░░░░░░░ No comment or he ░░░░░░░░ have said I don ░░░░░░░░ know anything about it ░░░░░░░░ is what he did ░░░░░░░░ that s the right ░░░░░░░░ would have advised my ░░░░░░░░ to do the same ░░░░░░░░ He s speaking to ░░░░░░░░ whether it s a ░░░░░░░░ or a young lady ░░░░░░░░ the street MELBER September ░░░░░░░░ is the exact date ░░░░░░░░ But whether he s ░░░░░░░░ to a journalist or ░░░░░░░░ young lady on the ░░░░░░░░ just shouting out a ░░░░░░░░ that is not the ░░░░░░░░ for him to go ░░░░░░░░ detailed question about a ░░░░░░░░ settlement agreement.”