Richard Dawkins Says JK Rowling and Kathleen Stock Have Been ‘Bullied’ While Standing Up for Themselves Over Trans Issues

Morgan What s extraordinary ░░░░░░░░ me is they want ░░░░░░░░ what they call de ░░░░░░░░ and neutralize language but ░░░░░░░░ re doing it from ░░░░░░░░ completely false pretext that ░░░░░░░░ can somehow pretend biology ░░░░░░░░ t exist particularly when ░░░░░░░░ comes to someone s ░░░░░░░░ I mean it s ░░░░░░░░ There s no scientific ░░░░░░░░ about this And yet ░░░░░░░░ small group of people ░░░░░░░░ been quite successful actually ░░░░░░░░ reshaping vast swathes of ░░░░░░░░ way society talks and ░░░░░░░░ allowed to talk DAWKINS ░░░░░░░░ s bullying And we ░░░░░░░░ seen the way JK ░░░░░░░░ has been bullied Kathleen ░░░░░░░░ has been bullied They ░░░░░░░░ up to it But ░░░░░░░░ s very upsetting the ░░░░░░░░ this tiny minority of ░░░░░░░░ have managed to capture ░░░░░░░░ discourse and to really ░░░░░░░░ errant nonsense Morgan What ░░░░░░░░ the answer to it ░░░░░░░░ Science I mean there ░░░░░░░░ two sexes You could ░░░░░░░░ about gender if you ░░░░░░░░ and that s subjective ░░░░░░░░ m not Morgan When ░░░░░░░░ say there are a ░░░░░░░░ genders for example DAWKINS ░░░░░░░░ I m not interested ░░░░░░░░ that As a biologist ░░░░░░░░ are two sexes and ░░░░░░░░ s all there is ░░░░░░░░ it Morgan You had ░░░░░░░░ Humanist Award stripped in ░░░░░░░░ because of your comments ░░░░░░░░ this kind of thing ░░░░░░░░ had a tweet in ░░░░░░░░ of that year In ░░░░░░░░ you tweeted Rachel Dolezal ░░░░░░░░ white chapter president in ░░░░░░░░ of the NAACP was ░░░░░░░░ for identifying as black ░░░░░░░░ was white Some men ░░░░░░░░ to identify as women ░░░░░░░░ women choose to identify ░░░░░░░░ men You ll be ░░░░░░░░ if you deny that ░░░░░░░░ literally are what they ░░░░░░░░ as Discuss And all ░░░░░░░░ broke loose and you ░░░░░░░░ your award stripped because ░░░░░░░░ were effectively doing what ░░░░░░░░ Rowling and others have ░░░░░░░░ You were just espousing ░░░░░░░░ biological fact DAWKINS I ░░░░░░░░ t even doing that ░░░░░░░░ was asking people to ░░░░░░░░ Discuss That s what ░░░░░░░░ ve done all my ░░░░░░░░ in universities Morgan Why ░░░░░░░░ we lost that ability ░░░░░░░░ actually have an open ░░░░░░░░ Frank debate DAWKINS There ░░░░░░░░ people for whom the ░░░░░░░░ discuss doesn t mean ░░░░░░░░ It means you ve ░░░░░░░░ a position which I ░░░░░░░░ t But anyway I ░░░░░░░░ it was a reasonable ░░░░░░░░ to discuss On the ░░░░░░░░ hand I actually wrote ░░░░░░░░ couple of follow up ░░░░░░░░ to this race is ░░░░░░░░ a much more fluid ░░░░░░░░ than sex For one ░░░░░░░░ many people are of ░░░░░░░░ race so they really ░░░░░░░░ be you know Morgan ░░░░░░░░ I had my DNA ░░░░░░░░ for example properly tested ░░░░░░░░ came back I had ░░░░░░░░ English DNA Zero I ░░░░░░░░ had 6 Middle Eastern ░░░░░░░░ example So that was ░░░░░░░░ shock to me I ░░░░░░░░ no idea A lot ░░░░░░░░ Celt a lot of ░░░░░░░░ and Scottish and Welsh ░░░░░░░░ no English whatsoever DAWKINS ░░░░░░░░ Well we re all ░░░░░░░░ and therefore it actually ░░░░░░░░ a perfectly reasonable thing ░░░░░░░░ somebody to identify as ░░░░░░░░ particular race if they ░░░░░░░░ to but sex is ░░░░░░░░ like that Sex really ░░░░░░░░ binary and therefore it ░░░░░░░░ something it s certainly ░░░░░░░░ discussing that odd anomaly ░░░░░░░░ I pointed out in ░░░░░░░░ tweet.”