RUSH TRANSCRIPT Eric Good ░░░░░░░░ at 10 19 you ░░░░░░░░ watching and listening to ░░░░░░░░ on TV news thanks ░░░░░░░░ joining us now my ░░░░░░░░ ah here this morning ░░░░░░░░ m so pleased to ░░░░░░░░ joined by emma web ░░░░░░░░ K director at a ░░░░░░░░ Sense Society morning ever ░░░░░░░░ former labour mp Stephen ░░░░░░░░ Writing this story state ░░░░░░░░ I can t wait ░░░░░░░░ hear what you think ░░░░░░░░ it as a form ░░░░░░░░ paper There Here s ░░░░░░░░ idea as suggestion that ░░░░░░░░ MPs lose their seats ░░░░░░░░ is a comments Administration ░░░░░░░░ they ve called for ░░░░░░░░ special ceremony for the ░░░░░░░░ pay and that family ░░░░░░░░ they are presented with ░░░░░░░░ metal by the commons ░░░░░░░░ for their time in ░░░░░░░░ because apparently get losing ░░░░░░░░ seats can be an ░░░░░░░░ and traumatic experience and ░░░░░░░░ noble enterprise a public ░░░░░░░░ Defended encouraged and recognize ░░░░░░░░ we sort of agree ░░░░░░░░ got very possibly much ░░░░░░░░ the ceremony Then then ░░░░░░░░ a goodbye for having ░░░░░░░░ had 80 four thousand ░░░░░░░░ year s salary they ░░░░░░░░ get thousand one hundred ░░░░░░░░ pound pay off to ░░░░░░░░ I m sorry you ░░░░░░░░ good enough few constituents ░░░░░░░░ vote for you that ░░░░░░░░ go there s a ░░░░░░░░ grand I m not ░░░░░░░░ sure this is going ░░░░░░░░ be retrospective those my ░░░░░░░░ but we are getting ░░░░░░░░ medallion new rochelle The ░░░░░░░░ of the war my ░░░░░░░░ got a number of ░░░░░░░░ like negotiator in the ░░░░░░░░ middle everybody got was ░░░░░░░░ the active service medal ░░░░░░░░ as you got because ░░░░░░░░ being an actress of ░░░░░░░░ idea that we should ░░░░░░░░ get a middle What ░░░░░░░░ for surviving for being ░░░░░░░░ is some of the ░░░░░░░░ cooks and charlatans on ░░░░░░░░ s green earth Are ░░░░░░░░ elected parliament so rogues ░░░░░░░░ rascals the to do ░░░░░░░░ idea of them queuing ░░░░░░░░ by won t mention ░░░░░░░░ names but I mean ░░░░░░░░ m sure you can ░░░░░░░░ them spinning round in ░░░░░░░░ If and the speak ░░░░░░░░ much like burke who ░░░░░░░░ been the speaker at ░░░░░░░░ time and you are ░░░░░░░░ of the people in ░░░░░░░░ expenses scandal you with ░░░░░░░░ knows how much money ░░░░░░░░ s a little gold ░░░░░░░░ Humor here is a ░░░░░░░░ Street go toffee it ░░░░░░░░ embarrassing If there s ░░░░░░░░ on a slightly serious ░░░░░░░░ if there s one ░░░░░░░░ problem the parliament has ░░░░░░░░ is the disconnect between ░░░░░░░░ and the people Can ░░░░░░░░ imagine the typical voter ░░░░░░░░ at sea gosh juno ░░░░░░░░ totally change my view ░░░░░░░░ parlor because they gonna ░░░░░░░░ one hundred bags of ░░░░░░░░ and a nice little ░░░░░░░░ to with and then ░░░░░░░░ going to wear it ░░░░░░░░ the street outside They ░░░░░░░░ Irish I didn t ░░░░░░░░ the one of those ░░░░░░░░ was completely like to ░░░░░░░░ in human behavior and ░░░░░░░░ web because if you ░░░░░░░░ t want if you ░░░░░░░░ do not like you ░░░░░░░░ in pain you don ░░░░░░░░ want those to have ░░░░░░░░ hundred pound bonus for ░░░░░░░░ Hang he couldn t ░░░░░░░░ does the very notion ░░░░░░░░ democracy at what what ░░░░░░░░ wrong with this picture ░░░░░░░░ is losing air completely ░░░░░░░░ s a really good ░░░░░░░░ that I hadn t ░░░░░░░░ mean obviously the whole ░░░░░░░░ is completely tone Deaf ░░░░░░░░ to the current circumstances ░░░░░░░░ can t believe that ░░░░░░░░ have allowed this story ░░░░░░░░ get into the press ░░░░░░░░ with all of the ░░░░░░░░ that are going on ░░░░░░░░ the moment this is ░░░░░░░░ last thing in the ░░░░░░░░ that the public want ░░░░░░░░ be hearing and ideas ░░░░░░░░ that there is a ░░░░░░░░ for trying to attract ░░░░░░░░ high a Caliber of ░░░░░░░░ into politics But the ░░░░░░░░ that has be made ░░░░░░░░ James Roberts from a ░░░░░░░░ payer let pay as ░░░░░░░░ and I think he ░░░░░░░░ nails it He said ░░░░░░░░ being elected to parliament ░░░░░░░░ be privilege enough yeah ░░░░░░░░ so on The one ░░░░░░░░ yes you want to ░░░░░░░░ higher caliber of people ░░░░░░░░ actually in the grand ░░░░░░░░ of things 80 four ░░░░░░░░ pounds for some of ░░░░░░░░ people who could go ░░░░░░░░ politics is a much ░░░░░░░░ salary than they will ░░░░░░░░ earning as they would ░░░░░░░░ working in the private ░░░░░░░░ or working in finance ░░░░░░░░ working in a bank ░░░░░░░░ something and those are ░░░░░░░░ sort of people that ░░░░░░░░ need to be in ░░░░░░░░ to take part in ░░░░░░░░ service But on the ░░░░░░░░ hand you want people ░░░░░░░░ do it because they ░░░░░░░░ in in public service ░░░░░░░░ they they believe that ░░░░░░░░ service is a very ░░░░░░░░ privilege in itself and ░░░░░░░░ the salary doesn t ░░░░░░░░ matter to that You ░░░░░░░░ want people to be ░░░░░░░░ into it because they ░░░░░░░░ yeah only financial interests ░░░░░░░░ and we just don ░░░░░░░░ only We should also ░░░░░░░░ going to speak speakers ░░░░░░░░ an ex sailor hospital ░░░░░░░░ and bus conductor or ░░░░░░░░ you re are with ░░░░░░░░ parliament as well But ░░░░░░░░ interests you Charles Walker ░░░░░░░░ it the terminal churchill ░░░░░░░░ walk He stood against ░░░░░░░░ in two thousand and ░░░░░░░░ do and I have ░░░░░░░░ say he He tried ░░░░░░░░ report me for buying ░░░░░░░░ creams for group of ░░░░░░░░ on on the drayton ░░░░░░░░ state lethal I was ░░░░░░░░ if I doubled my ░░░░░░░░ welder but let me ░░░░░░░░ think but so what ░░░░░░░░ life like than us ░░░░░░░░ mp Stephen and you ░░░░░░░░ got your 80 four ░░░░░░░░ pounds year salary but ░░░░░░░░ you also get your ░░░░░░░░ supplemented know own very ░░░░░░░░ few people of when ░░░░░░░░ was first elected mp ░░░░░░░░ ealing north which is ░░░░░░░░ forty minutes from westminster ░░░░░░░░ could have claimed 20 ░░░░░░░░ thousand pounds a year ░░░░░░░░ a second home indefensible ░░░░░░░░ all came about because ░░░░░░░░ Thatcher most problems actually ░░░░░░░░ back to Margaret Thatcher ░░░░░░░░ know I say Tony ░░░░░░░░ and who That there ░░░░░░░░ there s a red ░░░░░░░░ put it out Similarly ░░░░░░░░ let the figures m ░░░░░░░░ salary been back in ░░░░░░░░ seventies me I should ░░░░░░░░ increased She didn t ░░░░░░░░ The public opprobrium increases ░░░░░░░░ she s a list ░░░░░░░░ expenses Of the answer ░░░░░░░░ that we could come ░░░░░░░░ hundred pounds a month ░░░░░░░░ flowers in our offices ░░░░░░░░ think we can also ░░░░░░░░ even if had a ░░░░░░░░ home we could still ░░░░░░░░ for a hotel without ░░░░░░░░ supporting evidence All that ░░░░░░░░ swept out to be ░░░░░░░░ when Tony Blair found ░░░░░░░░ for example that we ░░░░░░░░ t get speeding tickets ░░░░░░░░ MPs the chief constable ░░░░░░░░ to approve If you ░░░░░░░░ a ticket for speeding ░░░░░░░░ goes nobody it so ░░░░░░░░ wiped all letter but ░░░░░░░░ s got cleaned up ░░░░░░░░ may maybe leaving and ░░░░░░░░ of the not out ░░░░░░░░ pocket 80 four grand ░░░░░░░░ owner of your claim ░░░░░░░░ love Him expand Well ░░░░░░░░ expenses of your stuff ░░░░░░░░ s that s the ░░░░░░░░ you re generally wives ░░░░░░░░ daughters and Family members ░░░░░░░░ on on occasion that ░░░░░░░░ been the case you ░░░░░░░░ it look One of ░░░░░░░░ reasons they give us ░░░░░░░░ for this is saying ░░░░░░░░ because MPs feel that ░░░░░░░░ is almost like a ░░░░░░░░ prize because they felt ░░░░░░░░ ve been hounded out ░░░░░░░░ a brutal talk because ░░░░░░░░ a brutal toxic political ░░░░░░░░ or this this was ░░░░░░░░ by the politicians themselves ░░░░░░░░ I guess in any ░░░░░░░░ politics and yeah I ░░░░░░░░ I mean I would ░░░░░░░░ and better people to ░░░░░░░░ into It takes I ░░░░░░░░ that with people on ░░░░░░░░ desk and I think ░░░░░░░░ aren t you in ░░░░░░░░ Why aren t you ░░░░░░░░ politician and sometimes you ░░░░░░░░ at me and say ░░░░░░░░ were you in politics ░░░░░░░░ Why I like I ░░░░░░░░ to be able to ░░░░░░░░ freely on my own ░░░░░░░░ and I think within ░░░░░░░░ the conservative party there ░░░░░░░░ obviously a lot of ░░░░░░░░ on people said not ░░░░░░░░ conservative views But also ░░░░░░░░ think the idea of ░░░░░░░░ whipped into voting for ░░░░░░░░ things into into having ░░░░░░░░ take a particular party ░░░░░░░░ Yeah is unappealing to ░░░░░░░░ lot of people who ░░░░░░░░ freethinkers which is a ░░░░░░░░ because yeah need political ░░░░░░░░ to attack Three freethinkers ░░░░░░░░ that you can actually ░░░░░░░░ up with ideas that ░░░░░░░░ slightly outside of the ░░░░░░░░ and not the source ░░░░░░░░ things that we Yeah ░░░░░░░░ saying time and time ░░░░░░░░ time again yeah and ░░░░░░░░ unable to with him ░░░░░░░░ it s capacity or ░░░░░░░░ Last very long nobody ░░░░░░░░ gonna go into parliament ░░░░░░░░ so I don t ░░░░░░░░ to be an p ░░░░░░░░ it might be too ░░░░░░░░ and sort of that ░░░░░░░░ they found on Queen ░░░░░░░░ the first stage coach ░░░░░░░░ somebody would fain when ░░░░░░░░ climb get fear I ░░░░░░░░ fool somebody written underneath ░░░░░░░░ my heart failure be ░░░░░░░░ not at all well ░░░░░░░░ d you get paid ░░░░░░░░ like that hey on ░░░░░░░░ with the first stage ░░░░░░░░ written the on the ░░░░░░░░ channels on a Wednesday ░░░░░░░░ Right BBC public order ░░░░░░░░ this is so pays ░░░░░░░░ plans to curb the ░░░░░░░░ disruption This was announced ░░░░░░░░ last night so this ░░░░░░░░ court about that We ░░░░░░░░ talking about on and ░░░░░░░░ and it had this ░░░░░░░░ controversial clause in their ░░░░░░░░ series public disorder serious ░░░░░░░░ to property serious disruption ░░░░░░░░ life at the community ░░░░░░░░ the protest Might result ░░░░░░░░ that the place could ░░░░░░░░ it and so what ░░░░░░░░ happened and they went ░░░░░░░░ the house of lords ░░░░░░░░ they overturned quite keep ░░░░░░░░ this yeah I think ░░░░░░░░ concern that has been ░░░░░░░░ by lot of free ░░░░░░░░ advocates in including myself ░░░░░░░░ that whilst obviously some ░░░░░░░░ these protests like the ░░░░░░░░ stop Oil protests are ░░░░░░░░ problem and a lot ░░░░░░░░ these people doing things ░░░░░░░░ committing criminal damage and ░░░░░░░░ people s lives at ░░░░░░░░ and so on That ░░░░░░░░ the reason why the ░░░░░░░░ put forward some of ░░░░░░░░ measures but the concern ░░░░░░░░ been and I agree ░░░░░░░░ this is why I ░░░░░░░░ this is This is ░░░░░░░░ news Is is that ░░░░░░░░ could very easily be ░░░░░░░░ to prevent protests to ░░░░░░░░ people from being able ░░░░░░░░ air their views in ░░░░░░░░ democratic free society something ░░░░░░░░ we will believe in ░░░░░░░░ another aspect of this ░░░░░░░░ think is really important ░░░░░░░░ that a lot of ░░░░░░░░ things that are really ░░░░░░░░ serious disruption Things like ░░░░░░░░ a oil putting people ░░░░░░░░ lives at risk on ░░░░░░░░ roads here am or ░░░░░░░░ These are all things ░░░░░░░░ can be dealt with ░░░░░░░░ the law There s ░░░░░░░░ tendency to always want ░░░░░░░░ create more legislation and ░░░░░░░░ leads to trouble further ░░░░░░░░ the line so we ░░░░░░░░ t need this legislation ░░░░░░░░ need cut the current ░░░░░░░░ to be properly enforce ░░░░░░░░ for the police to ░░░░░░░░ be taking cups of ░░░░░░░░ to test is sitting ░░░░░░░░ the middle of the ░░░░░░░░ and then leaving it ░░░░░░░░ the public to take ░░░░░░░░ into their own hands ░░░░░░░░ that they can get ░░░░░░░░ work or take their ░░░░░░░░ Absolutely what we think ░░░░░░░░ s interesting We have ░░░░░░░░ house of lords there ░░░░░░░░ about a thousand often ░░░░░░░░ This was actually two ░░░░░░░░ four to two forty ░░░░░░░░ s quite a tight ░░░░░░░░ our democratically clear cut ░░░░░░░░ government want to throw ░░░░░░░░ red meat to the ░░░░░░░░ Here s an odd ░░░░░░░░ If you want to ░░░░░░░░ a demonstration in London ░░░░░░░░ don t just tone ░░░░░░░░ in March from trafalgar ░░░░░░░░ you have to get ░░░░░░░░ approval of city hall ░░░░░░░░ the police are We ░░░░░░░░ the strange situation where ░░░░░░░░ we have the poll ░░░░░░░░ demos duration You know ░░░░░░░░ Andrew of the fox ░░░░░░░░ Democrat things like that ░░░░░░░░ actually get approval for ░░░░░░░░ get license from demonstration ░░░░░░░░ the thing about this ░░░░░░░░ the just o boyle ░░░░░░░░ who got a lot ░░░░░░░░ time on their hands ░░░░░░░░ they will come up ░░░░░░░░ some ridiculous way round ░░░░░░░░ I think that that ░░░░░░░░ s got to be ░░░░░░░░ when you got people ░░░░░░░░ tomato soup not at ░░░░░░░░ Andy warhol print which ░░░░░░░░ where you should be ░░░░░░░░ You will of and ░░░░░░░░ I mean there s ░░░░░░░░ wrong there I think ░░░░░░░░ ve got to somehow ░░░░░░░░ I mean I hate ░░░░░░░░ sound sensible about this ░░░░░░░░ in some ways that ░░░░░░░░ right to protest by ░░░░░░░░ means but that s ░░░░░░░░ allow the m 20 ░░░░░░░░ reporter horton people stop ░░░░░░░░ to were also about ░░░░░░░░ Lynch the reporter who ░░░░░░░░ actually arrested by the ░░░░░░░░ on the I m ░░░░░░░░ five arrested in If ░░░░░░░░ re going to actually ░░░░░░░░ the press reporting they ░░░░░░░░ you re on a ░░░░░░░░ slope to a dictatorship ░░░░░░░░ of the first things ░░░░░░░░ do is closed down ░░░░░░░░ state broadcaster and take ░░░░░░░░ out and shoot yeah ░░░░░░░░ I think for me ░░░░░░░░ Well this story just ░░░░░░░░ a is it s ░░░░░░░░ of those stories While ░░░░░░░░ do need house of ░░░░░░░░ they do hold these ░░░░░░░░ Into account in a ░░░░░░░░ that element doesn t ░░░░░░░░ I think this is ░░░░░░░░ very good case against ░░░░░░░░ idea of having an ░░░░░░░░ house of lords because ░░░░░░░░ do need the checks ░░░░░░░░ balances You can t ░░░░░░░░ have a second house ░░░░░░░░ would second house of ░░░░░░░░ that we re completely ░░░░░░░░ the entire point of ░░░░░░░░ new a second house ░░░░░░░░ The the house of ░░░░░░░░ have done brilliantly on ░░░░░░░░ man and I think ░░░░░░░░ there will be a ░░░░░░░░ of free speech advocates ░░░░░░░░ are celebrating today and ░░░░░░░░ as as as a ░░░░░░░░ often do I agree ░░░░░░░░ Steve and I and ░░░░░░░░ think that resign they ░░░░░░░░ really I do think ░░░░░░░░ a load of this ░░░░░░░░ like the is the ░░░░░░░░ of protests to justify ░░░░░░░░ to justify vandalism as ░░░░░░░░ saw with the Edward ░░░░░░░░ the statue being pulled ░░░░░░░░ or throwing things at ░░░░░░░░ can tens of super ░░░░░░░░ paintings and and so ░░░░░░░░ That s something that ░░░░░░░░ t require this legislation ░░░░░░░░ know that this is ░░░░░░░░ we need to be ░░░░░░░░ Very careful in the ░░░░░░░░ of legislation is being ░░░░░░░░ right now including the ░░░░░░░░ safety belt yeah that ░░░░░░░░ with good intentions are ░░░░░░░░ accidently and paving the ░░░░░░░░ to hell yeah by ░░░░░░░░ things that could have ░░░░░░░░ it Anti democratic and ░░░░░░░░ free speech implications Absolutely ░░░░░░░░ relentless summed up guys ░░░░░░░░ now moving on off ░░░░░░░░ bat Make a new ░░░░░░░░ party, chairman phone,