Rob Porter’s Ex-Wife: ‘If He Hasn’t Already Been Abusive’ with Hope Hicks, ‘He Will’

RUSH TRANSCRIPT Back now ░░░░░░░░ Jenny Willoughby I want ░░░░░░░░ ask you about a ░░░░░░░░ things the White House ░░░░░░░░ said and about what ░░░░░░░░ have done or have ░░░░░░░░ done Chief of staff ░░░░░░░░ Kelly said porter is ░░░░░░░░ a man of true ░░░░░░░░ and honor That s ░░░░░░░░ he said earlier yesterday ░░░░░░░░ now say they only ░░░░░░░░ fully aware of the ░░░░░░░░ yesterday and then when ░░░░░░░░ today about what changed ░░░░░░░░ when the first statement ░░░░░░░░ made and a later ░░░░░░░░ they said it was ░░░░░░░░ the full nature of ░░░░░░░░ allegations particularly the images ░░░░░░░░ you think it should ░░░░░░░░ taken the White House ░░░░░░░░ images of colbie bruised ░░░░░░░░ battered to come up ░░░░░░░░ a different statement You ░░░░░░░░ I feel like that ░░░░░░░░ a speculative thing that ░░░░░░░░ can t really answer ░░░░░░░░ because of my closeness ░░░░░░░░ it and the nature ░░░░░░░░ it but I do ░░░░░░░░ as though knowing rob ░░░░░░░░ way that I do ░░░░░░░░ probably is able to ░░░░░░░░ if his clearance hadn ░░░░░░░░ gone through and they ░░░░░░░░ it was because of ░░░░░░░░ in his marriage I ░░░░░░░░ he was probably able ░░░░░░░░ spin it in such ░░░░░░░░ way that it was ░░░░░░░░ that it was downplayed ░░░░░░░░ I generally believe that ░░░░░░░░ of staff Kelly thought ░░░░░░░░ it was lesser than ░░░░░░░░ was and seeing those ░░░░░░░░ I wish that my ░░░░░░░░ would have been enough ░░░░░░░░ seeing those photographs sort ░░░░░░░░ solidified that no this ░░░░░░░░ in fact an issue ░░░░░░░░ not clear because the ░░░░░░░░ House won t answer ░░░░░░░░ general Kelly knew when ░░░░░░░░ knew it and to ░░░░░░░░ extent he knew about ░░░░░░░░ reports the allegations that ░░░░░░░░ of you had made ░░░░░░░░ s this new statement ░░░░░░░░ from general Kelly where ░░░░░░░░ said he was shocked ░░░░░░░░ the quote new allegations ░░░░░░░░ there s no place ░░░░░░░░ domestic violence Is it ░░░░░░░░ to you that somebody ░░░░░░░░ general Kelly believes your ░░░░░░░░ It s important to ░░░░░░░░ in general that anyone ░░░░░░░░ is coming forward with ░░░░░░░░ story like that is ░░░░░░░░ up front That it ░░░░░░░░ not on the burden ░░░░░░░░ proof for me or ░░░░░░░░ else to justify those ░░░░░░░░ And that the conversation ░░░░░░░░ abuse or assault or ░░░░░░░░ misogyny in general doesn ░░░░░░░░ automatically turn to well ░░░░░░░░ s really great Could ░░░░░░░░ possibly be that she ░░░░░░░░ exaggerating or she s ░░░░░░░░ telling the truth or ░░░░░░░░ s not as bad ░░░░░░░░ they re making it ░░░░░░░░ to be because there ░░░░░░░░ very little evidence that ░░░░░░░░ woman would bring that ░░░░░░░░ of scrutiny upon themselves ░░░░░░░░ share these types of ░░░░░░░░ I didn t ask ░░░░░░░░ this I would never ░░░░░░░░ shared these types of ░░░░░░░░ as publicly if the ░░░░░░░░ hadn t come to ░░░░░░░░ with this moment to ░░░░░░░░ that The statement that ░░░░░░░░ porter issued reads these ░░░░░░░░ allegations are simply false ░░░░░░░░ have been transparent and ░░░░░░░░ about these vile claims ░░░░░░░░ I will not further ░░░░░░░░ publicly with a coordinated ░░░░░░░░ campaign Is this a ░░░░░░░░ smear campaign No No ░░░░░░░░ have I had no ░░░░░░░░ of disparaging rob I ░░░░░░░░ been in contact with ░░░░░░░░ a lot in the ░░░░░░░░ two weeks as he ░░░░░░░░ me some warning that ░░░░░░░░ might break and knew ░░░░░░░░ people might be sniffing ░░░░░░░░ my blog post He ░░░░░░░░ you that this might ░░░░░░░░ out Yeah Yeah Was ░░░░░░░░ concerned about that Yeah ░░░░░░░░ had asked me multiple ░░░░░░░░ to take down my ░░░░░░░░ post You had done ░░░░░░░░ blog post where you ░░░░░░░░ t named anies You ░░░░░░░░ talked in general about ░░░░░░░░ experience Right And I ░░░░░░░░ done so with the ░░░░░░░░ of reaching people who ░░░░░░░░ need to hear that ░░░░░░░░ and see what it ░░░░░░░░ like on the other ░░░░░░░░ you know to have ░░░░░░░░ hope And rob was ░░░░░░░░ of that post when ░░░░░░░░ originally went out a ░░░░░░░░ ago a little less ░░░░░░░░ a year ago and ░░░░░░░░ asked me to take ░░░░░░░░ down two weeks ago ░░░░░░░░ think in anticipation of ░░░░░░░░ being questioned about it ░░░░░░░░ he ever ask you ░░░░░░░░ deny No we were ░░░░░░░░ contact even a couple ░░░░░░░░ ago as he was ░░░░░░░░ me to release a ░░░░░░░░ about my blog post ░░░░░░░░ I went back and ░░░░░░░░ with him for an ░░░░░░░░ or so about what ░░░░░░░░ I would be comfortable ░░░░░░░░ and ultimately the language ░░░░░░░░ asked I wasn t ░░░░░░░░ with And he came ░░░░░░░░ with that statement less ░░░░░░░░ an hour later Can ░░░░░░░░ say what he wanted ░░░░░░░░ to say Um I ░░░░░░░░ t remember the exact ░░░░░░░░ but it was something ░░░░░░░░ the lines of the ░░░░░░░░ does not accurately depict ░░░░░░░░ marriage And there were ░░░░░░░░ other things that were ░░░░░░░░ with it and that ░░░░░░░░ didn t feel right ░░░░░░░░ me because it does ░░░░░░░░ depict my marriage And ░░░░░░░░ thing that he wanted ░░░░░░░░ to say was that ░░░░░░░░ had taken some liberties ░░░░░░░░ this therapeutic post which ░░░░░░░░ was for me that ░░░░░░░░ had taken liberties with ░░░░░░░░ therapeutic post When I ░░░░░░░░ about it I didn ░░░░░░░░ The things that I ░░░░░░░░ were factual statements It ░░░░░░░░ sound like he was ░░░░░░░░ you to deny what ░░░░░░░░ had He was asking ░░░░░░░░ to downplay it He ░░░░░░░░ asking me to emphasize ░░░░░░░░ the relationship that he ░░░░░░░░ I have now as ░░░░░░░░ to what I experienced ░░░░░░░░ our marriage Have you ░░░░░░░░ to him in the ░░░░░░░░ couple days I haven ░░░░░░░░ I haven t spoken ░░░░░░░░ him since that conversation ░░░░░░░░ porter is now in ░░░░░░░░ relationship with the White ░░░░░░░░ press secretary Hope Hicks ░░░░░░░░ you think he s ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ s changed Does that ░░░░░░░░ you It worries me ░░░░░░░░ a lot of reasons ░░░░░░░░ mean it definitely worries ░░░░░░░░ because if I m ░░░░░░░░ Frank with you if ░░░░░░░░ hasn t already been ░░░░░░░░ with hope he will ░░░░░░░░ particularly now that he ░░░░░░░░ under a lot of ░░░░░░░░ and scrutiny That s ░░░░░░░░ the behaviors come out ░░░░░░░░ he hasn t already ░░░░░░░░ will You think he ░░░░░░░░ t he has not ░░░░░░░░ help He can t ░░░░░░░░ at this point I ░░░░░░░░ t think that he ░░░░░░░░ done the self reflective ░░░░░░░░ to acknowledge this issue ░░░░░░░░ don t think that ░░░░░░░░ has really taken the ░░░░░░░░ to deconstruct why it ░░░░░░░░ that he behaves this ░░░░░░░░ and until he s ░░░░░░░░ to do that I ░░░░░░░░ t know that he ░░░░░░░░ control over it So ░░░░░░░░ re saying you re ░░░░░░░░ about Hope Hicks I ░░░░░░░░ worried I read part ░░░░░░░░ this before but you ░░░░░░░░ said that after three ░░░░░░░░ of marriage you were ░░░░░░░░ shell of a person ░░░░░░░░ muted version of the ░░░░░░░░ I had been when ░░░░░░░░ met rob Can you ░░░░░░░░ to me about recovery ░░░░░░░░ this Because there s ░░░░░░░░ lot of women right ░░░░░░░░ who are in situations ░░░░░░░░ in situations Men and ░░░░░░░░ Don t feel they ░░░░░░░░ get out I m ░░░░░░░░ how you moved through ░░░░░░░░ and what your message ░░░░░░░░ to them Thank you ░░░░░░░░ asking that I think ░░░░░░░░ s one of the ░░░░░░░░ messages that I want ░░░░░░░░ get out and since ░░░░░░░░ did have to share ░░░░░░░░ story and it s ░░░░░░░░ idea that when you ░░░░░░░░ in that relationship just ░░░░░░░░ idea of sharing those ░░░░░░░░ is exhausting and overwhelming ░░░░░░░░ it doesn t necessarily ░░░░░░░░ one instance to convince ░░░░░░░░ to get out Over ░░░░░░░░ spectrum of abuse the ░░░░░░░░ start to run together ░░░░░░░░ so my message is ░░░░░░░░ of if you feel ░░░░░░░░ though your personality has ░░░░░░░░ muted as though your ░░░░░░░░ is not at the ░░░░░░░░ that it had been ░░░░░░░░ that it could be ░░░░░░░░ is wrong in your ░░░░░░░░ Something is toxic in ░░░░░░░░ relationship And I don ░░░░░░░░ know that we need ░░░░░░░░ attribute blame and call ░░░░░░░░ person an abuser and ░░░░░░░░ person a victim or ░░░░░░░░ person a monster and ░░░░░░░░ person a victim I ░░░░░░░░ it s a matter ░░░░░░░░ recognizing that something is ░░░░░░░░ broken and going to ░░░░░░░░ the help that both ░░░░░░░░ you need And for ░░░░░░░░ who s on the ░░░░░░░░ end of any type ░░░░░░░░ abuse where they re ░░░░░░░░ to feel like they ░░░░░░░░ losing their sense of ░░░░░░░░ the moment of recovery ░░░░░░░░ when you recognize that ░░░░░░░░ have no control over ░░░░░░░░ person s behavior And ░░░░░░░░ you have control over ░░░░░░░░ your own choices and ░░░░░░░░ you react to them ░░░░░░░░ don t use that ░░░░░░░░ victim I don t ░░░░░░░░ don t feel like ░░░░░░░░ was a victim for ░░░░░░░░ couple of reasons The ░░░░░░░░ is I chose rob ░░░░░░░░ know and subconsciously whether ░░░░░░░░ can pinpoint it or ░░░░░░░░ I chose him And ░░░░░░░░ there s something that ░░░░░░░░ needed to work through ░░░░░░░░ that I m not ░░░░░░░░ that it was my ░░░░░░░░ that I ended up ░░░░░░░░ that marriage but I ░░░░░░░░ that there was something ░░░░░░░░ me that allowed me ░░░░░░░░ accept it as long ░░░░░░░░ I did And so ░░░░░░░░ that way no I ░░░░░░░░ not a victim And ░░░░░░░░ is abusive and rob ░░░░░░░░ flawed and definitely has ░░░░░░░░ I think he might ░░░░░░░░ suffer from depression and ░░░░░░░░ anger is the outlet ░░░░░░░░ that but he s ░░░░░░░░ a monster And he ░░░░░░░░ not an abuser in ░░░░░░░░ that is what he ░░░░░░░░ be defined as I ░░░░░░░░ t believe that Even ░░░░░░░░ he was you say ░░░░░░░░ was abusive Yes And ░░░░░░░░ former wife says he ░░░░░░░░ abusive Yeah and the ░░░░░░░░ I think I m ░░░░░░░░ to say that and ░░░░░░░░ that is ultimately I ░░░░░░░░ believe in redemption and ░░░░░░░░ do believe if or ░░░░░░░░ rob is ready to ░░░░░░░░ the work he needs ░░░░░░░░ do he can be ░░░░░░░░ can be a good ░░░░░░░░ and he can be ░░░░░░░░ That s not on ░░░░░░░░ and not on me ░░░░░░░░ own and I don ░░░░░░░░ want to seek to ░░░░░░░░ or to hurt somebody ░░░░░░░░ is in that position ░░░░░░░░ god forbid somebody judge ░░░░░░░░ and the mistakes I ░░░░░░░░ made and in the ░░░░░░░░ choices that had brought ░░░░░░░░ to where I am ░░░░░░░░ Willoughby thanks so much ░░░░░░░░ else you want to ░░░░░░░░ No no Thank you ░░░░░░░░ having me Thank you ░░░░░░░░ We ll continue the ░░░░░░░░ with our panel in ░░░░░░░░ a moment We ll ░░░░░░░░ right back Burke Vengeful ░░░░░░░░ Seen it Covered it ░░░░░░░░ know a thing or ░░░░░░░░ because we ve seen ░░░░░░░░ thing or two.