RUSH TRANSCRIPT Liz Cheney ░░░░░░░░ policy values at her ░░░░░░░░ tonight The other candidates ░░░░░░░░ want to turn to ░░░░░░░░ on the January 6th ░░░░░░░░ John Dean who was ░░░░░░░░ White House counsel Good ░░░░░░░░ see you Thanks so ░░░░░░░░ Let s start with ░░░░░░░░ The hutchinson testimony this ░░░░░░░░ was explosive It added ░░░░░░░░ lot to the public ░░░░░░░░ understanding of what happened ░░░░░░░░ up to and on ░░░░░░░░ 6th Has there been ░░░░░░░░ shift in momentum for ░░░░░░░░ committee and a rising ░░░░░░░░ in Trump world because ░░░░░░░░ all these revelations that ░░░░░░░░ coming out Don thanks ░░░░░░░░ having me back I ░░░░░░░░ the committee was accelerating ░░░░░░░░ before cassidy humpinson but ░░░░░░░░ put them into hyper ░░░░░░░░ She provided the missing ░░░░░░░░ we have been waiting ░░░░░░░░ Above all tieing Trump ░░░░░░░░ the violence He knew ░░░░░░░░ were weapons in the ░░░░░░░░ He incited the crowd ░░░░░░░░ wanted to March with ░░░░░░░░ crowd and then his ░░░░░░░░ that she reported towards ░░░░░░░░ Pence not sympathetic at ░░░░░░░░ agreeing and that terrible ░░░░░░░░ a little after 2 ░░░░░░░░ P M This was ░░░░░░░░ devastating acceleration I think ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump s criminal ░░░░░░░░ John we re learning ░░░░░░░░ former White House deputy ░░░░░░░░ of staff met twice ░░░░░░░░ the January 6th committee ░░░░░░░░ January and in March ░░░░░░░░ including Trump s knowledge ░░░░░░░░ Pence s whereabout his ░░░░░░░░ to those questions haven ░░░░░░░░ been revealed What is ░░░░░░░░ committee after when it ░░░░░░░░ to him I think ░░░░░░░░ want the truth and ░░░░░░░░ think they will have ░░░░░░░░ go back to him ░░░░░░░░ find out whether he ░░░░░░░░ the story that was ░░░░░░░░ by cassidy or not ░░░░░░░░ ve made that into ░░░░░░░░ issue It s not ░░░░░░░░ a very important story ░░░░░░░░ the bigger picture but ░░░░░░░░ re playing with it ░░░░░░░░ don t think she ░░░░░░░░ have any inclination to ░░░░░░░░ and invent a story ░░░░░░░░ that had she not ░░░░░░░░ it He s a ░░░░░░░░ unique Secret Service person ░░░░░░░░ sort of crossed from ░░░░░░░░ service into the White ░░░░░░░░ staff and became the ░░░░░░░░ head of the Secret ░░░░░░░░ Very unusual Highly unusual ░░░░░░░░ committee members t he ░░░░░░░░ credibility How do you ░░░░░░░░ this playing out He ░░░░░░░░ lost some credibility because ░░░░░░░░ s not an independent ░░░░░░░░ He is declared whose ░░░░░░░░ he s on He ░░░░░░░░ there to make Trump ░░░░░░░░ good at events to ░░░░░░░░ sure he make sure ░░░░░░░░ events was made easier ░░░░░░░░ Secret Service was always ░░░░░░░░ He s a partisan ░░░░░░░░ this Frankly I think ░░░░░░░░ affects his credibility greatly ░░░░░░░░ you had some instinct ░░░░░░░░ maybe some insight about ░░░░░░░░ Cipollone because you posed ░░░░░░░░ during Trump s first ░░░░░░░░ trial So far he ░░░░░░░░ not fighting the subpoena ░░░░░░░░ like he will cooperate ░░░░░░░░ some limited way Why ░░░░░░░░ you think he might ░░░░░░░░ now Well don he ░░░░░░░░ three options He can ░░░░░░░░ the route of naked ░░░░░░░░ contempt that has landed ░░░░░░░░ Bannon and Peter Navarro ░░░░░░░░ the dock He s ░░░░░░░░ officer of the court ░░░░░░░░ s not going to ░░░░░░░░ that He can attempt ░░░░░░░░ negotiate a compromise It ░░░░░░░░ so often there s ░░░░░░░░ for it in D ░░░░░░░░ The accommodation process That ░░░░░░░░ where he appears to ░░░░░░░░ going He could stall ░░░░░░░░ ultimately litigate That s ░░░░░░░░ Mark Meadows route That ░░░░░░░░ contempt finding and possible ░░░░░░░░ The only option that ░░░░░░░░ makes sense for him ░░░░░░░░ I say this also ░░░░░░░░ pat He is a ░░░░░░░░ He s an affable ░░░░░░░░ We spent a lot ░░░░░░░░ time with his counsel ░░░░░░░░ this in the impeachment ░░░░░░░░ a negotiator I think ░░░░░░░░ will take the middle ░░░░░░░░ Meaning Explain Well right ░░░░░░░░ they are signaling that ░░░░░░░░ negotiation is going on ░░░░░░░░ means they will talk ░░░░░░░░ things like is the ░░░░░░░░ I have a subpoena ░░░░░░░░ says Is the deposition ░░░░░░░░ to be videotapes so ░░░░░░░░ m on TV or ░░░░░░░░ it going to be ░░░░░░░░ or just tran scribed ░░░░░░░░ it s a written ░░░░░░░░ How long will we ░░░░░░░░ Those kind of details ░░░░░░░░ try to get to ░░░░░░░░ comfort zone What he ░░░░░░░░ do is he has ░░░░░░░░ show up answer the ░░░░░░░░ If he has objections ░░░░░░░░ or attorney client impressive ░░░░░░░░ ledge he has to ░░░░░░░░ those on the record ░░░░░░░░ ultimately those belong to ░░░░░░░░ United States government those ░░░░░░░░ That means it s ░░░░░░░░ to Joe Biden to ░░░░░░░░ whether or not pat ░░░░░░░░ those questions What happened ░░░░░░░░ I work for the ░░░░░░░░ public I m serving ░░░░░░░░ country in this capacity ░░░░░░░░ have nothing to hide ░░░░░░░░ ll answer your questions ░░░░░░░░ doesn t play with ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration at all ░░░░░░░░ have fought tooth and ░░░░░░░░ They have tried to ░░░░░░░░ the Congress Every time ░░░░░░░░ had been held to ░░░░░░░░ accountable for anything Pat ░░░░░░░░ led that as norm ░░░░░░░░ knows Very effectively An ░░░░░░░░ proceeding that really was ░░░░░░░░ an obstruction of Congress ░░░░░░░░ how he got away ░░░░░░░░ it I don t ░░░░░░░░ He did The sta ░░░░░░░░ the best of your ░░░░░░░░ statute has run on ░░░░░░░░ I think Pat Cipollone ░░░░░░░░ to consider whether he ░░░░░░░░ got jeopardy criminal jeopardy ░░░░░░░░ whether he s going ░░░░░░░░ have to invoke the ░░░░░░░░ amendment on some of ░░░░░░░░ himself Talk to me ░░░░░░░░ about that Why do ░░░░░░░░ say that Well if ░░░░░░░░ listen to what cassidy ░░░░░░░░ us she said he ░░░░░░░░ warning about conspiracies to ░░░░░░░░ justice conspiracies to defraud ░░░░░░░░ electoral count One crime ░░░░░░░░ another Multiconstitutetudes of crime ░░░░░░░░ s no evidence he ░░░░░░░░ from any of those ░░░░░░░░ because he warned of ░░░░░░░░ We need that evidence ░░░░░░░░ cipollone and former Attorney ░░░░░░░░ Bill Barr have a ░░░░░░░░ long relationship Barr was ░░░░░░░░ critical of Trump in ░░░░░░░░ testimony Watch this I ░░░░░░░░ boy is he really ░░░░░░░░ this stuff he has ░░░░░░░░ contact with he s ░░░░░░░░ detached from reality if ░░░░░░░░ really believes this stuff ░░░░░░░░ is the interesting thing ░░░░░░░░ worked for bar in ░░░░░░░░ George h w Bush ░░░░░░░░ They are both conservative ░░░░░░░░ He wasn t want ░░░░░░░░ ruin his reputation but ░░░░░░░░ you think Barr s ░░░░░░░░ out makings it easier ░░░░░░░░ cipollone to do so ░░░░░░░░ has no effect on ░░░░░░░░ I think it has ░░░░░░░░ atmospheric effect and if ░░░░░░░░ could tape record the ░░░░░░░░ in pat s head ░░░░░░░░ m sure he is ░░░░░░░░ as critical We ve ░░░░░░░░ extremely critical reports from ░░░░░░░░ of what pat said ░░░░░░░░ that time in the ░░░░░░░░ House I think he ░░░░░░░░ fighting to do the ░░░░░░░░ thing I have a ░░░░░░░░ different view than my ░░░░░░░░ John about his criminal ░░░░░░░░ Ultimately and I know ░░░░░░░░ from dealing with him ░░░░░░░░ s doing to decide ░░░░░░░░ s your view What ░░░░░░░░ different about what John ░░░░░░░░ As I look at ░░░░░░░░ here I see a ░░░░░░░░ House counsel the job ░░░░░░░░ John once head and ░░░░░░░░ was special counsel to ░░░░░░░░ president working in that ░░░░░░░░ who was fighting consistently ░░░░░░░░ try to prevent Donald ░░░░░░░░ from attacking and overturning ░░░░░░░░ election in one crazy ░░░░░░░░ after another that pat ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ will charge that Pat ░░░░░░░░ going to decide what ░░░░░░░░ best for pat He ░░░░░░░░ has an active law ░░░░░░░░ He s trying to ░░░░░░░░ this dance that Republicans ░░░░░░░░ They don t want ░░░░░░░░ take Donald Trump on ░░░░░░░░ That s what the ░░░░░░░░ is probably about with ░░░░░░░░ committee now He doesn ░░░░░░░░ want videotape out there ░░░░░░░░ be played at hearing ░░░░░░░░ him attacking Trump Aud ░░░░░░░░ is better than video ░░░░░░░░ written transcript is best ░░░░░░░░ all Those are the ░░░░░░░░ being negotiated I think ░░░░░░░░ will cut a deal ░░░░░░░░ what s interesting to ░░░░░░░░ is this is in ░░░░░░░░ Republican circles and conservative ░░░░░░░░ media this being portrayed ░░░░░░░░ a democratic witch hunt ░░░░░░░░ find it surprising that ░░░░░░░░ people have hidden as ░░░░░░░░ their entire lives to ░░░░░░░░ out to wait for ░░░░░░░░ one moment These are ░░░░░░░░ Republicans You get my ░░░░░░░░ m being fecec fececious ░░░░░░░░ It s ridiculous I ░░░░░░░░ Tlp there are witches ░░░░░░░░ I think some of ░░░░░░░░ are being flushed out ░░░░░░░░ big witch who was ░░░░░░░░ critical today on his ░░░░░░░░ media outlet was very ░░░░░░░░ of the committee for ░░░░░░░░ Pat Cipollone I think ░░░░░░░░ was a very raw ░░░░░░░░ that they hit He ░░░░░░░░ a very important witness ░░░░░░░░ could end this thing ░░░░░░░░ by coming forward with ░░░░░░░░ truth I believe he ░░░░░░░░ an obligation under the ░░░░░░░░ standards that came out ░░░░░░░░ Watergate to report this ░░░░░░░░ I don t understand ░░░░░░░░ he s being given ░░░░░░░░ much slack that he ░░░░░░░░ There are no ethics ░░░░░░░░ it comes to this ░░░░░░░░ And no accountability Yeah ░░░░░░░░ shall see if there ░░░░░░░░ any to come Thank ░░░░░░░░ both.