RUSH TRANSCRIPT For much ░░░░░░░░ on this let s ░░░░░░░░ in ambassador in the ░░░░░░░░ Administration legal analyst norm ░░░░░░░░ eisen and Shan Wu ░░░░░░░░ Barr said he hasn ░░░░░░░░ seen anything yet that ░░░░░░░░ him think Trump broke ░░░░░░░░ law And that was ░░░░░░░░ echoed by one of ░░░░░░░░ s witnesses Republican election ░░░░░░░░ Ben Ginsberg Shan given ░░░░░░░░ experience within the DoJ ░░░░░░░░ you see a prosecutable ░░░░░░░░ yet Oh I definitely ░░░░░░░░ a prosecutorial case here ░░░░░░░░ think Barr s point ░░░░░░░░ he thought Trump might ░░░░░░░░ detached from reality I ░░░░░░░░ we need to emphasize ░░░░░░░░ a prosecutorial point of ░░░░░░░░ being detached from reality ░░░░░░░░ not a defense to ░░░░░░░░ crime unless you want ░░░░░░░░ plead not guilty by ░░░░░░░░ of insanity which they ░░░░░░░░ do But the evidence ░░░░░░░░ there and I don ░░░░░░░░ think that excessive hand ░░░░░░░░ over whether there s ░░░░░░░░ or not doesn t ░░░░░░░░ When I was a ░░░░░░░░ I would have been ░░░░░░░░ at having this much ░░░░░░░░ about a defendant s ░░░░░░░░ There s a debate ░░░░░░░░ whether Trump knew he ░░░░░░░░ and still pushed the ░░░░░░░░ anyway or whether he ░░░░░░░░ believes he won Legally ░░░░░░░░ that distinct matter The ░░░░░░░░ matters Certainly Because as ░░░░░░░░ was saying you could ░░░░░░░░ that you really believed ░░░░░░░░ this was true it ░░░░░░░░ not a lie But ░░░░░░░░ can argue that And ░░░░░░░░ you are arguing that ░░░░░░░░ simply don t have ░░░░░░░░ grasp of reality that ░░░░░░░░ insanity defense But otherwise ░░░░░░░░ can t read people ░░░░░░░░ minds They have to ░░░░░░░░ it by circumstantial evidence ░░░░░░░░ was the person s ░░░░░░░░ And here with the ░░░░░░░░ from the attorney general ░░░░░░░░ from Trump s staff ░░░░░░░░ is a lot of ░░░░░░░░ that he knew that ░░░░░░░░ was a lie and ░░░░░░░░ to push it out ░░░░░░░░ it can t be ░░░░░░░░ a good faith belief ░░░░░░░░ I really thought there ░░░░░░░░ fraud I really thought ░░░░░░░░ of course over 60 ░░░░░░░░ legal cases also support ░░░░░░░░ As well as the ░░░░░░░░ that amazingly many of ░░░░░░░░ lawyers in those 60 ░░░░░░░░ have been brought up ░░░░░░░░ ethics charges for making ░░░░░░░░ arguments That s how ░░░░░░░░ in left field it ░░░░░░░░ What do you make ░░░░░░░░ this split over the ░░░░░░░░ over spending a criminal ░░░░░░░░ to the DoJ Is ░░░░░░░░ needed Ana thank you ░░░░░░░░ having me back You ░░░░░░░░ having worked up there ░░░░░░░░ a year and walked ░░░░░░░░ the halls with the ░░░░░░░░ when they made comments ░░░░░░░░ think that there s ░░░░░░░░ deeper agreement here than ░░░░░░░░ appear The less noticed ░░░░░░░░ of chairman thompl s ░░░░░░░░ was when he said ░░░░░░░░ we just heard from ░░░░░░░░ luria that at the ░░░░░░░░ of this investigation all ░░░░░░░░ the information the documents ░░░░░░░░ witness testimony is going ░░░░░░░░ be turned over to ░░░░░░░░ and state prosecutors Whether ░░░░░░░░ committee calls it a ░░░░░░░░ or they do a ░░░░░░░░ gate style road map ░░░░░░░░ the evidence that s ░░░░░░░░ matters because they have ░░░░░░░░ powerful evidence of criminality ░░░░░░░░ shan s point take ░░░░░░░░ Georgia case and I ░░░░░░░░ the Georgia prosecutor Ana ░░░░░░░░ ve talked about this ░░░░░░░░ da in Atlanta is ░░░░░░░░ to be the first ░░░░░░░░ charge Trump Trump said ░░░░░░░░ the Georgia secretary of ░░░░░░░░ state just find 11 ░░░░░░░░ votes that did not ░░░░░░░░ So no matter what ░░░░░░░░ was thinking it s ░░░░░░░░ We don t believe ░░░░░░░░ vigilante justice in the ░░░░░░░░ States That includes vigilante ░░░░░░░░ fraud So I think ░░░░░░░░ s a powerful case ░░░░░░░░ be made for prosecution ░░░░░░░░ on the committee basically ░░░░░░░░ with that I mean ░░░░░░░░ is an ongoing investigation ░░░░░░░░ multiple areas Right We ░░░░░░░░ the committee investigation which ░░░░░░░░ not a prosecutorial committee ░░░░░░░░ re presenting the facts ░░░░░░░░ we ve heard but ░░░░░░░░ s not up to ░░░░░░░░ committee members to decide ░░░░░░░░ to charge anybody And ░░░░░░░░ you have the DoJ ░░░░░░░░ into the January 6th ░░░░░░░░ which has led to ░░░░░░░░ than 800 people facing ░░░░░░░░ None who are considered ░░░░░░░░ that inner circle of ░░░░░░░░ White House of course ░░░░░░░░ then you also have ░░░░░░░░ criminal probe underway right ░░░░░░░░ with the special grand ░░░░░░░░ meeting to hear evidence ░░░░░░░░ Georgia with the Fulton ░░░░░░░░ da at the helm ░░░░░░░░ looking into the election ░░░░░░░░ and if there were ░░░░░░░░ crimes committed specifically in ░░░░░░░░ related to that Shan ░░░░░░░░ you agree with what ░░░░░░░░ said related to potential ░░░░░░░░ comeing from that investigation ░░░░░░░░ being the bigger legal ░░░░░░░░ to the former president ░░░░░░░░ I do agree with ░░░░░░░░ I think he s ░░░░░░░░ it right I ve ░░░░░░░░ thought that that was ░░░░░░░░ biggest threat to Trump ░░░░░░░░ that case and I ░░░░░░░░ think that would be ░░░░░░░░ most likely first one ░░░░░░░░ pop The campaign finance ░░░░░░░░ I think is very ░░░░░░░░ because of what we ░░░░░░░░ yesterday Publicly This false ░░░░░░░░ of money for the ░░░░░░░░ at the present time ░░░░░░░░ to the tune of ░░░░░░░░ million I think that ░░░░░░░░ exposure and danger for ░░░░░░░░ and those who helped ░░░░░░░░ do that In particular ░░░░░░░░ think it s more ░░░░░░░░ because of the prosecutorial ░░░░░░░░ That kind of a ░░░░░░░░ wire fraud may be ░░░░░░░░ more palatable to prosecutors ░░░░░░░░ DoJ and ag Garland ░░░░░░░░ wading into the unchartered ░░░░░░░░ of charging a former ░░░░░░░░ of trying to overthrow ░░░░░░░░ government they re in ░░░░░░░░ of Just to follow ░░░░░░░░ on that we talked ░░░░░░░░ representative loria who said ░░░░░░░░ have evidence that money ░░░░░░░░ to certain individuals but ░░░░░░░░ didn t know where ░░░░░░░░ money went after that ░░░░░░░░ Once it got into ░░░░░░░░ hands Do you have ░░░░░░░░ be able to prove ░░░░░░░░ however they spent it ░░░░░░░░ t related to the ░░░░░░░░ efforts How difficult is ░░░░░░░░ to prove beyond a ░░░░░░░░ doubt that the funds ░░░░░░░░ to some criminal went ░░░░░░░░ somebody in a criminal ░░░░░░░░ I think for this ░░░░░░░░ it wouldn t be ░░░░░░░░ to prove that the ░░░░░░░░ was used or spent ░░░░░░░░ a criminal way The ░░░░░░░░ is falsely telling people ░░░░░░░░ the intent of giving ░░░░░░░░ the money is for ░░░░░░░░ when in fact it ░░░░░░░░ a material falsehood There ░░░░░░░░ no election fraud and ░░░░░░░░ s what they were ░░░░░░░░ marketing this fund as ░░░░░░░░ little bit similar Steve ░░░░░░░░ having been originally prosecuted ░░░░░░░░ pardoned for the fake ░░░░░░░░ of building the wall ░░░░░░░░ s a similar analogy ░░░░░░░░ final thought on the ░░░░░░░░ angle Well that is ░░░░░░░░ of the rules of ░░░░░░░░ follow the money I ░░░░░░░░ it was a powerful ░░░░░░░░ yesterday and the simplicity ░░░░░░░░ a fraud case their ░░░░░░░░ election defense fund where ░░░░░░░░ was no fund claiming ░░░░░░░░ fraud where there was ░░░░░░░░ election fraud and it ░░░░░░░░ be brought by federal ░░░░░░░░ but in any state ░░░░░░░░ bringing us to Georgia ░░░░░░░░ people were solicited using ░░░░░░░░ It can be consumer ░░░░░░░░ It s an important ░░░░░░░░ front and danger to ░░░░░░░░ Norm and shan great ░░░░░░░░ have you both with ░░░░░░░░ Appreciate your expertise Nice ░░░░░░░░ see you Good to ░░░░░░░░ you.