RUSH TRANSCRIPT I ll ░░░░░░░░ back in the wake ░░░░░░░░ America abroad 30 alongside ░░░░░░░░ Maloney the double a ░░░░░░░░ A major topic that ░░░░░░░░ been out there over ░░░░░░░░ past several weeks announcing ░░░░░░░░ new and kind of ░░░░░░░░ policy in which each ░░░░░░░░ national governing body while ░░░░░░░░ determine eligibility requirements for ░░░░░░░░ athletes This of course ░░░░░░░░ the heels of the ░░░░░░░░ Leah Thomas controversy That ░░░░░░░░ little complicated joining us ░░░░░░░░ to talk more about ░░░░░░░░ rolling and what it ░░░░░░░░ going forward Is it ░░░░░░░░ t that the thrill ░░░░░░░░ victory and the agony ░░░░░░░░ defeat two time olympic ░░░░░░░░ medalist and great number ░░░░░░░░ women sports policy down ░░░░░░░░ verona and very high ░░░░░░░░ track star a lot ░░░░░░░░ neck and her legal ░░░░░░░░ from Alliance Defending Freedom ░░░░░░░░ holcomb A welcome to ░░░░░░░░ up America Thank you ░░░░░░░░ try to be on ░░░░░░░░ I m I m ░░░░░░░░ dialogue is continuing Working ░░░░░░░░ is be looking at ░░░░░░░░ in communicating with national ░░░░░░░░ bodies the international olympic ░░░░░░░░ in our olympic committee ░░░░░░░░ get them to focus ░░░░░░░░ this issue Up with ░░░░░░░░ fair way to protect ░░░░░░░░ women s sports category ░░░░░░░░ trying to find a ░░░░░░░░ to accommodate transgender athletes ░░░░░░░░ in our schools where ░░░░░░░░ should have the opportunity ░░░░░░░░ participate in sport I ░░░░░░░░ with you A lot ░░░░░░░░ athletes are now required ░░░░░░░░ to record their testosterone ░░░░░░░░ for weeks prior to ░░░░░░░░ championship match up be ░░░░░░░░ as an athlete who ░░░░░░░░ I can see the ░░░░░░░░ behind you there against ░░░░░░░░ opposite sex in the ░░░░░░░░ How do you feel ░░░░░░░░ this policy Did Did ░░░░░░░░ go far enough with ░░░░░░░░ rolling here they didn ░░░░░░░░ come up with policy ░░░░░░░░ they did was add ░░░░░░░░ policy Eight and push ░░░░░░░░ off on The National ░░░░░░░░ bodies and that s ░░░░░░░░ line with the international ░░░░░░░░ committee Just it they ░░░░░░░░ said listen every sports ░░░░░░░░ there s some sports ░░░░░░░░ there s no barrier ░░░░░░░░ entry Anybody could just ░░░░░░░░ it sailing or a ░░░░░░░░ That s why one ░░░░░░░░ doesn t it all ░░░░░░░░ the I see basically ░░░░░░░░ after really do Some ░░░░░░░░ and research as in ░░░░░░░░ to transgender or bio ░░░░░░░░ in training wins which ░░░░░░░░ you have to go ░░░░░░░░ re going to push ░░░░░░░░ back on The National ░░░░░░░░ anybody s to me ░░░░░░░░ decisions but you know ░░░░░░░░ s more than forty ░░░░░░░░ national governing bodies and ░░░░░░░░ federations which control at ░░░░░░░░ four and they re ░░░░░░░░ going to happen To ░░░░░░░░ down and create these ░░░░░░░░ and of course the ░░░░░░░░ now is on swimming ░░░░░░░░ swimming should do they ░░░░░░░░ me they got a ░░░░░░░░ They do have a ░░░░░░░░ since 20 18 It ░░░░░░░░ they will redo situations ░░░░░░░░ by case but they ░░░░░░░░ t have a medical ░░░░░░░░ They need to set ░░░░░░░░ a medical committee They ░░░░░░░░ to come up with ░░░░░░░░ and guidelines What is ░░░░░░░░ elite athlete in elite ░░░░░░░░ Isn t just the ░░░░░░░░ that trellis you are ░░░░░░░░ federation and elite athletes ░░░░░░░░ in the collegiate level ░░░░░░░░ we have to get ░░░░░░░░ guidelines a lie to ░░░░░░░░ fair and to yeah ░░░░░░░░ women s sports category ░░░░░░░░ There s that I ░░░░░░░░ I wanted I want ░░░░░░░░ get in a lot ░░░░░░░░ take two I appreciate ░░░░░░░░ lot of so this ░░░░░░░░ rolling it s getting ░░░░░░░░ reviews because in the ░░░░░░░░ of sports where so ░░░░░░░░ events they re based ░░░░░░░░ time right So why ░░░░░░░░ How come transgender athletes ░░░░░░░░ t compete against each ░░░░░░░░ or themselves And do ░░░░░░░░ think that will ever ░░░░░░░░ Well I think and ░░░░░░░░ a policy is really ░░░░░░░░ because I know what ░░░░░░░░ feels like to get ░░░░░░░░ on the start line ░░░░░░░░ rankings a biological male ░░░░░░░░ It like my training ░░░░░░░░ t paying off because ░░░░░░░░ m a spot that ░░░░░░░░ deserve and neither are ░░░░░░░░ of the other female ░░░░░░░░ A lot of I ░░░░░░░░ see all the medals ░░░░░░░░ you there and I ░░░░░░░░ thought that the first ░░░░░░░░ that that that I ░░░░░░░░ to the unsuitable I ░░░░░░░░ you think they went ░░░░░░░░ do think This ruling ░░░░░░░░ far enough I think ░░░░░░░░ it doesn t go ░░░░░░░░ enough and that it ░░░░░░░░ making game athletes like ░░░░░░░░ become sidelined in our ░░░░░░░░ sport and issues We ░░░░░░░░ to be able to ░░░░░░░░ on a level playing ░░░░░░░░ and know that all ░░░░░░░░ our hard work and ░░░░░░░░ of our chain is ░░░░░░░░ off and we re ░░░░░░░░ the spots that we ░░░░░░░░ and you know sometimes ░░░░░░░░ the top six or ░░░░░░░░ can advance and when ░░░░░░░░ are Taken by biological ░░░░░░░░ it s just really ░░░░░░░░ disappointing and demoralizing and ░░░░░░░░ think we can say ░░░░░░░░ it s it s ░░░░░░░░ unfair yeah just flat ░░░░░░░░ unfair and that s ░░░░░░░░ a lot of athletes ░░░░░░░░ saying Christine I want ░░░░░░░░ go to you not ░░░░░░░░ about be a lot ░░░░░░░░ alliance defending freedom house ░░░░░░░░ organization making a difference ░░░░░░░░ women s sports Well ░░░░░░░░ the privilege of representing ░░░░░░░░ female athletes across the ░░░░░░░░ are standing up and ░░░░░░░░ back and saying No ░░░░░░░░ like the devil rays ░░░░░░░░ absolutely don t promote ░░░░░░░░ or safety for women ░░░░░░░░ don t comply with ░░░░░░░░ requirements a title nine ░░░░░░░░ providing that plane or ░░░░░░░░ frankly I think what ░░░░░░░░ incidentally has done here ░░░░░░░░ cowardly It s push ░░░░░░░░ these policies off in ░░░░░░░░ pass the buck onto ░░░░░░░░ national sporting bodies to ░░░░░░░░ decisions that it ought ░░░░░░░░ be making for itself ░░░░░░░░ ought to protect their ░░░░░░░░ for female athletes like ░░░░░░░░ lot and it is ░░░░░░░░ fail to do some ░░░░░░░░ lotta Your take on ░░░░░░░░ Phelps was asked about ░░░░░░░░ couple of days ago ░░░░░░░░ was on with Christiane ░░░░░░░░ And she asked what ░░░░░░░░ you make of this ░░░░░░░░ the fairness of this ░░░░░░░░ he didn t mind ░░░░░░░░ answer but I wish ░░░░░░░░ as as maybe the ░░░░░░░░ well known swimmer on ░░░░░░░░ Earth maybe he was ░░░░░░░░ little bit more definitive ░░░░░░░░ said you know if ░░░░░░░░ are born a man ░░░░░░░░ compete against men If ░░░░░░░░ re born a women ░░░░░░░░ female you compete against ░░░░░░░░ females and if you ░░░░░░░░ you compete against other ░░░░░░░░ who have done the ░░░░░░░░ One thing that I ░░░░░░░░ you should listen to ░░░░░░░░ jenner who has that ░░░░░░░░ credibility in the steel ░░░░░░░░ Is standing up and ░░░░░░░░ it s not fair ░░░░░░░░ will not compete in ░░░░░░░░ s tournaments because Caitlin ░░░░░░░░ Caitlin has suppressed or ░░░░░░░░ says I have no ░░░░░░░░ testosterone but I can ░░░░░░░░ hit the ball a ░░░░░░░░ yards further than any ░░░░░░░░ woman I m competing ░░░░░░░░ So we do you ░░░░░░░░ to come up The ░░░░░░░░ is let s not ░░░░░░░░ transgender individuals let s ░░░░░░░░ up with their policy ░░░░░░░░ not just blanket Could ░░░░░░░░ transgender athletes in the ░░░░░░░░ s category and that ░░░░░░░░ with dmca did 10 ░░░░░░░░ ago without due diligence ░░░░░░░░ science based research with ░░░░░░░░ actions and policies and ░░░░░░░░ at I m problem ░░░░░░░░ everybody deserves a chance ░░░░░░░░ play but so many ░░░░░░░░ are left off the ░░░░░░░░ because we don t ░░░░░░░░ the resources a we ░░░░░░░░ t drill down and ░░░░░░░░ it up in sport ░░░░░░░░ a fundamental right and ░░░░░░░░ and it teaches us ░░░░░░░░ to compete in competitive ░░░░░░░░ in which we live ░░░░░░░░ we have to drill ░░░░░░░░ on this yeah absolutely ░░░░░░░░ lot of about 15 ░░░░░░░░ Do you think that ░░░░░░░░ throw in can lead ░░░░░░░░ end Consistency moving forward ░░░░░░░░ I definitely think that ░░░░░░░░ end double I need ░░░░░░░░ revisit the policy and ░░░░░░░░ and just restore fairness ░░░░░░░░ sports because we don ░░░░░░░░ have become sidelined and ░░░░░░░░ on sport and want ░░░░░░░░ continue to play the ░░░░░░░░ that we love to ░░░░░░░░ for more than and ░░░░░░░░ I d in the ░░░░░░░░ Administration can t continue ░░░░░░░░ support full entry without ░░░░░░░░ Your accommodations in the ░░░░░░░░ space under title nine ░░░░░░░░ a very dangerous precedent ░░░░░░░░ now across the Know ░░░░░░░░ appreciate the time this ░░░░░░░░ on such a complex ░░░░░░░░ about and I I ░░░░░░░░ that we we know ░░░░░░░░ ruling was so confusing ░░░░░░░░ I think that are ░░░░░░░░ confused this morning when ░░░░░░░░ comes to that unsuitable ░░░░░░░░ tried using issue yeah ░░░░░░░░ you so much We ░░░░░░░░ stay with us. 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