Carlson Grills Asian Harvard Alum: How Is a Kid Who Has to Score 540 Pts. Higher Not Being Discriminated Against?

RUSH TRANSCRIPT Good evening ░░░░░░░░ welcome to Tucker Carlson ░░░░░░░░ Here is an interesting ░░░░░░░░ and potentially significant story ░░░░░░░░ Harvard University They say ░░░░░░░░ affirmative action hurts Asian ░░░░░░░░ and they have the ░░░░░░░░ to prove it according ░░░░░░░░ a study by Princeton ░░░░░░░░ applicants must score 140 ░░░░░░░░ higher on the sat ░░░░░░░░ points higher than black ░░░░░░░░ and 450 than frerp ░░░░░░░░ just to have the ░░░░░░░░ shot at getting in ░░░░░░░░ that fair Joining us ░░░░░░░░ someone who think it ░░░░░░░░ fair Harvard alum who ░░░░░░░░ affirmative action Part of ░░░░░░░░ group fighting a lawsuit ░░░░░░░░ just mentioned and he ░░░░░░░░ us live Jay thanks ░░░░░░░░ lot for coming on ░░░░░░░░ question is really simple ░░░░░░░░ would you say and ░░░░░░░░ you are a father ░░░░░░░░ could be in this ░░░░░░░░ some day What would ░░░░░░░░ say to a kid ░░░░░░░░ to Harvard or elite ░░░░░░░░ in the United States ░░░░░░░░ doesn t get in ░░░░░░░░ is he held to ░░░░░░░░ and higher standards because ░░░░░░░░ his skin color and ░░░░░░░░ to you that s ░░░░░░░░ because of course it ░░░░░░░░ What would your response ░░░░░░░░ Well Tucker I am ░░░░░░░░ father so this is ░░░░░░░░ discussion college admissions I ░░░░░░░░ have What I will ░░░░░░░░ is the elite institutions ░░░░░░░░ acceptance rates are already ░░░░░░░░ low When I applied ░░░░░░░░ Harvard it was 10 ░░░░░░░░ rate and today it ░░░░░░░░ 5 Taking holistic view ░░░░░░░░ race is never going ░░░░░░░░ be a determining factor ░░░░░░░░ or not you are ░░░░░░░░ to get in So ░░░░░░░░ other aspects that they ░░░░░░░░ at Furthermore I would ░░░░░░░░ my son know that ░░░░░░░░ don t live in ░░░░░░░░ colored blind society You ░░░░░░░░ t ignore centuries of ░░░░░░░░ of racism slavery policies ░░░░░░░░ the intermeanted Japanese Americans ░░░░░░░░ Chinese exclusion act and ░░░░░░░░ everyone is starting off ░░░░░░░░ spot in the race ░░░░░░░░ is still here and ░░░░░░░░ election is demonstrative of ░░░░░░░░ where it was probably ░░░░░░░░ most racially divisive election ░░░░░░░░ ever occurred The president ░░░░░░░░ was elected despite or ░░░░░░░░ because of some racist ░░░░░░░░ and Carlson I m ░░░░░░░░ let me just ask ░░░░░░░░ haven t answered the ░░░░░░░░ which is if you ░░░░░░░░ against racism and racial ░░░░░░░░ why are you supporting ░░░░░░░░ supporting a system that ░░░░░░░░ people for the color ░░░░░░░░ their skin which you ░░░░░░░░ How you can say ░░░░░░░░ are against racism and ░░░░░░░░ penalize people because they ░░░░░░░░ the wrong race CHEN ░░░░░░░░ Tucker the students who ░░░░░░░░ are not being penalized ░░░░░░░░ of their race The ░░░░░░░░ process is entirely holistic ░░░░░░░░ look at a lot ░░░░░░░░ different things They look ░░░░░░░░ test scores but test ░░░░░░░░ aren t the one ░░░░░░░░ only thing that matter ░░░░░░░░ of college applications They ░░░░░░░░ at leadership They look ░░░░░░░░ extracurricular activities So race ░░░░░░░░ but one factor among ░░░░░░░░ that are considered I ░░░░░░░░ also say that there ░░░░░░░░ other advantages that come ░░░░░░░░ let s say the ░░░░░░░░ community and there are ░░░░░░░░ advantages that are confirmed ░░░░░░░░ example Harvard accepts 35 ░░░░░░░░ Harvard student body they ░░░░░░░░ from private cools While ░░░░░░░░ 10 of American students ░░░░░░░░ to private schools You ░░░░░░░░ look at Harvard s ░░░░░░░░ of northeastern students which ░░░░░░░░ 40 of Harvard s ░░░░░░░░ but only 17 of ░░░░░░░░ lives in the northeast ░░░░░░░░ are all advantages that ░░░░░░░░ students will also benefit ░░░░░░░░ Carlson But those are ░░░░░░░░ non sequiturs Hold on ░░░░░░░░ a Harvard graduate you ░░░░░░░░ a non sequitur when ░░░░░░░░ hear one I wouldn ░░░░░░░░ defend any of those ░░░░░░░░ I m not here ░░░░░░░░ advocate for them You ░░░░░░░░ here to advocate for ░░░░░░░░ on the basis on ░░░░░░░░ I m not saying ░░░░░░░░ is the only criterion ░░░░░░░░ into account by Harvard ░░░░░░░░ admissions You can t ░░░░░░░░ me that a kid ░░░░░░░░ has to score 540 ░░░░░░░░ higher because of his ░░░░░░░░ is not being discriminated ░░░░░░░░ Again why is that ░░░░░░░░ CHEN Well I think ░░░░░░░░ a lot to a ░░░░░░░░ s life experience I ░░░░░░░░ you know a student ░░░░░░░░ my community college who ░░░░░░░░ to worry about whether ░░░░░░░░ not his parents are ░░░░░░░░ to be deported because ░░░░░░░░ came from Mexico has ░░░░░░░░ significantly different experience than ░░░░░░░░ white student who doesn ░░░░░░░░ have those worries African ░░░░░░░░ students who has to ░░░░░░░░ about whether or not ░░░░░░░░ he going to be ░░░░░░░░ by a police officer ░░░░░░░░ wearing a hoodie or ░░░░░░░░ else these are experiences ░░░░░░░░ are deeply engrained with ░░░░░░░░ that not everyone has ░░░░░░░░ experience But But Asian ░░░░░░░░ are disproportionately poorer disproportionately ░░░░░░░░ to come from immigrant ░░░░░░░░ The you speak for ░░░░░░░░ yet 540 point deficit ░░░░░░░░ on the sat You ░░░░░░░░ punishing the weakest actually ░░░░░░░░ actually affirmative action benefits ░░░░░░░░ American students I know ░░░░░░░░ graduates of hard who ░░░░░░░░ that they are beneficiar ░░░░░░░░ affirmative action and within ░░░░░░░░ Asian American rubric you ░░░░░░░░ a good point We ░░░░░░░░ pacific islanders who come ░░░░░░░░ communities that are far ░░░░░░░░ impoverished than even Latino ░░░░░░░░ African American communities And ░░░░░░░░ action actually will help ░░░░░░░░ Affirmative action does benefit ░░░░░░░░ American communities If recognizes ░░░░░░░░ the Asian American experience ░░░░░░░░ not all the same ░░░░░░░░ But that s all ░░░░░░░░ gook when it comes ░░░░░░░░ down do it Harvard ░░░░░░░░ a quote system for ░░░░░░░░ It s illegal They ░░░░░░░░ for all races They ░░░░░░░░ last year 11 8 ░░░░░░░░ African Americans were It ░░░░░░░░ about 20 Asian That ░░░░░░░░ remained roughly the same ░░░░░░░░ 20 years as the ░░░░░░░░ of college age Asian ░░░░░░░░ has doubled There is ░░░░░░░░ argument no reasonable argument ░░░░░░░░ the fact that they ░░░░░░░░ a quote system as ░░░░░░░░ did against Jews in ░░░░░░░░ 20 s and you ░░░░░░░░ defending that Why Tucker ░░░░░░░░ don t have a ░░░░░░░░ system first of all ░░░░░░░░ is unconstitutional Secondly when ░░░░░░░░ was at Harvard the ░░░░░░░░ of Asian Americans was ░░░░░░░░ 16 to 17 Today ░░░░░░░░ s 1 So it ░░░░░░░░ actually increased by 30 ░░░░░░░░ since the time that ░░░░░░░░ graduated So it can ░░░░░░░░ possibly be a quote ░░░░░░░░ unless the quote numbers ░░░░░░░░ changing and then it ░░░░░░░░ t be a quota ░░░░░░░░ Unless the applicant pool ░░░░░░░░ doubled which it has ░░░░░░░░ s doubled That number ░░░░░░░░ not doubled as you ░░░░░░░░ and by the way ░░░░░░░░ numbers for other racial ░░░░░░░░ have remained constant because ░░░░░░░░ is a quota system ░░░░░░░░ is aware of it ░░░░░░░░ me read you a ░░░░░░░░ from a man who ░░░░░░░░ this for a living ░░░░░░░░ name is Brian Taylor ░░░░░░░░ runs a business that ░░░░░░░░ Asian students get into ░░░░░░░░ colleges He said this ░░░░░░░░ the Boston Globe last ░░░░░░░░ He said we will ░░░░░░░░ them the Asian applicants ░░░░░░░░ less Asian when they ░░░░░░░░ Why would he do ░░░░░░░░ He does that because ░░░░░░░░ don t want too ░░░░░░░░ Asians You know this ░░░░░░░░ well Yet you ever ░░░░░░░░ it I don t ░░░░░░░░ that at all They ░░░░░░░░ discriminating against Asians they ░░░░░░░░ open about it everybody ░░░░░░░░ it And yet that ░░░░░░░░ okay because why Well ░░░░░░░░ I said you know ░░░░░░░░ isn t a quota ░░░░░░░░ because the numbers have ░░░░░░░░ increased And I believe ░░░░░░░░ have actually increased Not ░░░░░░░░ increased in applications No ░░░░░░░░ are right about that ░░░░░░░░ that is a whole ░░░░░░░░ segment worth exploring about ░░░░░░░░ arms race of parents ░░░░░░░░ to get their kids ░░░░░░░░ schools and applying to ░░░░░░░░ more colleges now than ░░░░░░░░ did before So the ░░░░░░░░ has not doubled But ░░░░░░░░ number of applications being ░░░░░░░░ out has And colleges ░░░░░░░░ this because it increases ░░░░░░░░ numbers That s actually ░░░░░░░░ me correct you there ░░░░░░░░ has grown dramatically Add ░░░░░░░░ international applicants not just ░░░░░░░░ pushing Harvard on the ░░░░░░░░ app People qualified to ░░░░░░░░ to Harvard Straight as ░░░░░░░░ head of student council ░░░░░░░░ getting in because of ░░░░░░░░ race You haven t ░░░░░░░░ this though If college ░░░░░░░░ are counseling their students ░░░░░░░░ pretend they are not ░░░░░░░░ They do this for ░░░░░░░░ living They have no ░░░░░░░░ to lie about it ░░░░░░░░ have discrimination going on ░░░░░░░░ are pretending it s ░░░░░░░░ there for some weird ░░░░░░░░ reason What is that ░░░░░░░░ exactly because race has ░░░░░░░░ place in America in ░░░░░░░░ past I think these ░░░░░░░░ antic total An dick ░░░░░░░░ Antidotal Most of the ░░░░░░░░ I have interviewed who ░░░░░░░░ gotten in have been ░░░░░░░░ From my own personal ░░░░░░░░ I haven t seen ░░░░░░░░ the reason why some ░░░░░░░░ might do that is ░░░░░░░░ there is so much ░░░░░░░░ where people are being ░░░░░░░░ to that okay if ░░░░░░░░ are Asian you are ░░░░░░░░ discriminated against and there ░░░░░░░░ consultants who will make ░░░░░░░░ off of you know ░░░░░░░░ desire of parents to ░░░░░░░░ their children the best ░░░░░░░░ to get into college ░░░░░░░░ it s the parent ░░░░░░░░ fault They believe that ░░░░░░░░ heighten their chances I ░░░░░░░░ t believe it will ░░░░░░░░ Because when Princeton university ░░░░░░░░ a study that I ░░░░░░░░ we both accept is ░░░░░░░░ says you need to ░░░░░░░░ 540 points higher than ░░░░░░░░ students in order to ░░░░░░░░ the same chance of ░░░░░░░░ In I think it ░░░░░░░░ a rational conclusion to ░░░░░░░░ that there is discrimination ░░░░░░░░ me ask you one ░░░░░░░░ question You noted a ░░░░░░░░ of painful periods of ░░░░░░░░ history both of us ░░░░░░░░ them Japanese internment James ░░░░░░░░ Why are they bad ░░░░░░░░ are bad because people ░░░░░░░░ power hurting American citizens ░░░░░░░░ on their race How ░░░░░░░░ that different from what ░░░░░░░░ is doing Well Tucker ░░░░░░░░ lot of people will ░░░░░░░░ that affirmative action in ░░░░░░░░ African American and Latino ░░░░░░░░ who are given admission ░░░░░░░░ Asian students who have ░░░░░░░░ scores they say that ░░░░░░░░ s reverse discrimination So ░░░░░░░░ what do we say ░░░░░░░░ the 60 of white ░░░░░░░░ at Harvard who also ░░░░░░░░ getting in to Harvard ░░░░░░░░ having significantly lower scores ░░░░░░░░ Asians That s bad ░░░░░░░░ m not here to ░░░░░░░░ that I believe in ░░░░░░░░ meritocracy I asked a ░░░░░░░░ question Is it okay ░░░░░░░░ discriminate people based on ░░░░░░░░ The numbers are I ░░░░░░░░ tell you exactly why ░░░░░░░░ it is the hardest ░░░░░░░░ to be in as ░░░░░░░░ Asian student Of all ░░░░░░░░ if you are an ░░░░░░░░ girl it s harder ░░░░░░░░ get into these colleges ░░░░░░░░ if you are anyone ░░░░░░░░ So or pick the ░░░░░░░░ example I can pick ░░░░░░░░ examples My question remains ░░░░░░░░ same is it okay ░░░░░░░░ discriminate based on the ░░░░░░░░ of race I was ░░░░░░░░ to believe it is ░░░░░░░░ You apparently this it ░░░░░░░░ Is it No I ░░░░░░░░ we have to recognize ░░░░░░░░ we don t live ░░░░░░░░ a vacuum and that ░░░░░░░░ discrimination and that we ░░░░░░░░ to account for the ░░░░░░░░ that some people have ░░░░░░░░ Head Start En reinforcing ░░░░░░░░ Head Start that some ░░░░░░░░ have part of the ░░░░░░░░ Is it racial discrimination ░░░░░░░░ not let somebody into ░░░░░░░░ based on his race ░░░░░░░░ it If that is ░░░░░░░░ sole criteria someone is ░░░░░░░░ released into college because ░░░░░░░░ that that is not ░░░░░░░░ way it works They ░░░░░░░░ not admitting students based ░░░░░░░░ on race there are ░░░░░░░░ factors involved Benefited people ░░░░░░░░ as legacy such as ░░░░░░░░ or not you went ░░░░░░░░ a private school If ░░░░░░░░ are from the northeast ░░░░░░░░ there are a lot ░░░░░░░░ advantages that white students ░░░░░░░░ from You are diverting ░░░░░░░░ the question and you ░░░░░░░░ that you don t ░░░░░░░░ an answer to this ░░░░░░░░ if racial discrimination is ░░░░░░░░ and I believe it ░░░░░░░░ then it is just ░░░░░░░░ A moral element here ░░░░░░░░ think right I agree ░░░░░░░░ racial discrimination is wrong ░░░░░░░░ to say that you ░░░░░░░░ starting off from a ░░░░░░░░ slate as an Mexican ░░░░░░░░ student and you are ░░░░░░░░ that your parents might ░░░░░░░░ deported by the next ░░░░░░░░ you have a significant ░░░░░░░░ than caucasian students Children ░░░░░░░░ not for the sins ░░░░░░░░ previous ages okay Responsible ░░░░░░░░ slavery or Jim Crow ░░░░░░░░ the sins of America ░░░░░░░░ punish for those things ░░░░░░░░ grotesque you would agree ░░░░░░░░ that right I would ░░░░░░░░ with that but why ░░░░░░░░ bad things seem to ░░░░░░░░ disproportionately to races in ░░░░░░░░ past You sont say ░░░░░░░░ doesn t exist I ░░░░░░░░ saying that I wouldn ░░░░░░░░ disagree with you I ░░░░░░░░ just saying the answer ░░░░░░░░ not more racism I ░░░░░░░░ that s the point ░░░░░░░░ may be going in ░░░░░░░░ Jay thanks for coming ░░░░░░░░ Appreciate it Thank you ░░░░░░░░