CORONAVIRUS

Paul The idea that ░░░░░░░░ like yourself would represent ░░░░░░░░ and that any criticism ░░░░░░░░ you would be a ░░░░░░░░ of science itself is ░░░░░░░░ dangerous Central planning whether ░░░░░░░░ be of the economy ░░░░░░░░ of science is risky ░░░░░░░░ of the fallibility of ░░░░░░░░ planner It would not ░░░░░░░░ so catastrophic if the ░░░░░░░░ were simply one position ░░░░░░░░ Peoria then the mistakes ░░░░░░░░ only affect that physician ░░░░░░░░ patients the people who ░░░░░░░░ that physician But when ░░░░░░░░ planner is a government ░░░░░░░░ like yourself who rules ░░░░░░░░ mandate the errors are ░░░░░░░░ and become much more ░░░░░░░░ A planner who believes ░░░░░░░░ is the science leads ░░░░░░░░ an arrogance that justifies ░░░░░░░░ his mind using government ░░░░░░░░ to smear and destroy ░░░░░░░░ reputation of other scientists ░░░░░░░░ disagree with him In ░░░░░░░░ e mail exchange with ░░░░░░░░ Collins you conspire and ░░░░░░░░ quote here directly from ░░░░░░░░ e mail to create ░░░░░░░░ quick and devastating published ░░░░░░░░ down of three prominent ░░░░░░░░ from Harvard Oxford and ░░░░░░░░ Apparently there s a ░░░░░░░░ of fringe epidemiologists at ░░░░░░░░ Oxford and Stanford And ░░░░░░░░ quote in the e ░░░░░░░░ that they or from ░░░░░░░░ Collins and you agree ░░░░░░░░ they are fringe Immediately ░░░░░░░░ is this takedown ethic ░░░░░░░░ published takedown doesn t ░░░░░░░░ conjure up the image ░░░░░░░░ a dispassionate scientist Instead ░░░░░░░░ engaging them on the ░░░░░░░░ you and Dr Collins ░░░░░░░░ to smear them as ░░░░░░░░ and take them down ░░░░░░░░ in journals in lay ░░░░░░░░ This is not only ░░░░░░░░ to the scientific method ░░░░░░░░ s the epitome of ░░░░░░░░ politics and it s ░░░░░░░░ Dr Fauci Do you ░░░░░░░░ think it s appropriate ░░░░░░░░ use your 420 000 ░░░░░░░░ to attack scientists that ░░░░░░░░ with you Fauci The ░░░░░░░░ mail you re referring ░░░░░░░░ was an e mail ░░░░░░░░ Dr Collins to me ░░░░░░░░ you look at the ░░░░░░░░ mail Paul That you ░░░░░░░░ to and hurried up ░░░░░░░░ said I can do ░░░░░░░░ I can do it ░░░░░░░░ got something in WIRED ░░░░░░░░ Fauci No no I ░░░░░░░░ in usual fashion senator ░░░░░░░░ are distorting everything about ░░░░░░░░ First of all Paul ░░░░░░░░ you ever object to ░░░░░░░░ Collins characterization of them ░░░░░░░░ fringe Did you write ░░░░░░░░ to Dr Collins and ░░░░░░░░ No they re not ░░░░░░░░ they re esteemed scientists ░░░░░░░░ it would be beneath ░░░░░░░░ to do that You ░░░░░░░░ to him that you ░░░░░░░░ do it and you ░░░░░░░░ got an article in ░░░░░░░░ you sent it back ░░░░░░░░ him and said Hey ░░░░░░░░ I ve got em ░░░░░░░░ nailed em in WIRED ░░░░░░░░ all the scientific publications ░░░░░░░░ That s not what ░░░░░░░░ on There you go ░░░░░░░░ You just do the ░░░░░░░░ thing every hearing Paul ░░░░░░░░ was your response This ░░░░░░░░ t the only time ░░░░░░░░ your desire to take ░░░░░░░░ people Fauci You are ░░░░░░░░ incorrect as usual senator ░░░░░░░░ are incorrect in almost ░░░░░░░░ you say Paul You ░░░░░░░░ you deny but the ░░░░░░░░ mails tell the truth ░░░░░░░░ this Fauci No Paul ░░░░░░░░ wasn t the only ░░░░░░░░ Your desire to take ░░░░░░░░ those who disagree with ░░░░░░░░ didn t stop with ░░░░░░░░ Oxford and Stanford You ░░░░░░░░ with Peter Daszak who ░░░░░░░░ communicated with privately and ░░░░░░░░ members of the scientific ░░░░░░░░ that wrote opinion pieces ░░░░░░░░ Nature five of them ░░░░░░░░ a paper for Nature ░░░░░░░░ opinion piece 17 signed ░░░░░░░░ paper that called it ░░░░░░░░ theory the idea that ░░░░░░░░ virus could have originated ░░░░░░░░ the lab Do you ░░░░░░░░ words like conspiracy theory ░░░░░░░░ be in a scientific ░░░░░░░░ Fauci Senator I never ░░░░░░░░ that word when I ░░░░░░░░ referring to it You ░░░░░░░░ distorting virtually everything Paul ░░░░░░░░ you communicate with the ░░░░░░░░ scientists who wrote the ░░░░░░░░ piece in Nature where ░░░░░░░░ were describing oh there ░░░░░░░░ no way this could ░░░░░░░░ from a lab Fauci ░░░░░░░░ was not me What ░░░░░░░░ did Paul Did you ░░░░░░░░ to any of those ░░░░░░░░ privately Fauci You keep ░░░░░░░░ the truth It is ░░░░░░░░ that you do that ░░░░░░░░ Did you talk to ░░░░░░░░ of the scientists privately ░░░░░░░░ wrote the opinion Fauci ░░░░░░░░ Paul You did What ░░░░░░░░ they telling you privately ░░░░░░░░ Well let me explain ░░░░░░░░ know you re going ░░░░░░░░ to that original discussion ░░░░░░░░ I brought together a ░░░░░░░░ of people to look ░░░░░░░░ every possibility with an ░░░░░░░░ mind So not only ░░░░░░░░ you distorting it you ░░░░░░░░ completely turning it around ░░░░░░░░ you usually do Paul ░░░░░░░░ most of the scientists ░░░░░░░░ came to you privately ░░░░░░░░ they come to you ░░░░░░░░ and say No way ░░░░░░░░ came from the lab ░░░░░░░░ was there an initial ░░░░░░░░ Dr Gary and others ░░░░░░░░ were involved was there ░░░░░░░░ initial impression actually that ░░░░░░░░ looked very suspicious for ░░░░░░░░ virus that came from ░░░░░░░░ lab Fauci Senator we ░░░░░░░░ here at a committee ░░░░░░░░ look at a virus ░░░░░░░░ that has killed almost ░░░░░░░░ 000 people And the ░░░░░░░░ of the committee was ░░░░░░░░ try and get things ░░░░░░░░ how we can help ░░░░░░░░ get the American public ░░░░░░░░ you keep coming back ░░░░░░░░ personal attacks on me ░░░░░░░░ have absolutely no relevance ░░░░░░░░ reality Paul Do you ░░░░░░░░ anybody has had more ░░░░░░░░ over a response to ░░░░░░░░ than you have Do ░░░░░░░░ think it s a ░░░░░░░░ success do you think ░░░░░░░░ s a great success ░░░░░░░░ s happened so far ░░░░░░░░ you think the lockdown ░░░░░░░░ very good for our ░░░░░░░░ Do you think we ░░░░░░░░ down the death rate ░░░░░░░░ people have died now ░░░░░░░░ President Biden than did ░░░░░░░░ President Trump You are ░░░░░░░░ one responsible You are ░░░░░░░░ architect You are the ░░░░░░░░ architect for the response ░░░░░░░░ the government and now ░░░░░░░░ 000 people have died ░░░░░░░░ you think it s ░░░░░░░░ winning success what you ░░░░░░░░ advocated for government Fauci ░░░░░░░░ first of all if ░░░░░░░░ look at everything that ░░░░░░░░ ve said you accuse ░░░░░░░░ of in a monolithic ░░░░░░░░ telling people what they ░░░░░░░░ to do Everything I ░░░░░░░░ said has been in ░░░░░░░░ of the CDC guidelines ░░░░░░░░ a mask get boosted ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated Paul And you ░░░░░░░░ advocated to make it ░░░░░░░░ and Fauci Take everything ░░░░░░░░ I ve said Paul ░░░░░░░░ ve advocated that it ░░░░░░░░ done by mandate You ░░░░░░░░ advocated that your infallible ░░░░░░░░ be dictated by law ░░░░░░░░ Right So again Madam ░░░░░░░░ I would like just ░░░░░░░░ couple of minute because ░░░░░░░░ happens all the time ░░░░░░░░ personally attacked me with ░░░░░░░░ not a shred of ░░░░░░░░ of anything you say ░░░░░░░░ I would like to ░░░░░░░░ something clear to the ░░░░░░░░ He s doing this ░░░░░░░░ political reasons What you ░░░░░░░░ to do is he ░░░░░░░░ in front of this ░░░░░░░░ Paul You think your ░░░░░░░░ of three prominent epidemiologists ░░░░░░░░ not political That was ░░░░░░░░ question Fauci You don ░░░░░░░░ want me to finish ░░░░░░░░ you know what I ░░░░░░░░ going to say Paul ░░░░░░░░ was the question Murray ░░░░░░░░ we will at this ░░░░░░░░ Paul Were you political ░░░░░░░░ taking down these three ░░░░░░░░ epidemiologists Murray Senator Paul ░░░░░░░░ you would please I ░░░░░░░░ going to allow Dr ░░░░░░░░ to respond We have ░░░░░░░░ number of senators who ░░░░░░░░ like to ask questions ░░░░░░░░ I would like him ░░░░░░░░ be able to respond ░░░░░░░░ do so Fauci So ░░░░░░░░ last time we had ░░░░░░░░ committee or the time ░░░░░░░░ it he was accusing ░░░░░░░░ of being responsible for ░░░░░░░░ death of 4 to ░░░░░░░░ million people which is ░░░░░░░░ irresponsible And I say ░░░░░░░░ is he doing that ░░░░░░░░ are two reasons why ░░░░░░░░ s really bad The ░░░░░░░░ is it distracts from ░░░░░░░░ we re all trying ░░░░░░░░ do here today is ░░░░░░░░ our arms around the ░░░░░░░░ and the pandemic that ░░░░░░░░ re dealing with not ░░░░░░░░ imaginary Number two what ░░░░░░░░ when he gets out ░░░░░░░░ accuses me of things ░░░░░░░░ are completely untrue is ░░░░░░░░ all of a sudden ░░░░░░░░ kindles the crazies out ░░░░░░░░ and I have threats ░░░░░░░░ my life harassments of ░░░░░░░░ family and my children ░░░░░░░░ obscene phone calls because ░░░░░░░░ are lying about me ░░░░░░░░ you know I guess ░░░░░░░░ could say well that ░░░░░░░░ the way it goes ░░░░░░░░ can take the hit ░░░░░░░░ it makes a difference ░░░░░░░░ as some of you ░░░░░░░░ know just about three ░░░░░░░░ four weeks ago on ░░░░░░░░ 21st a person was ░░░░░░░░ who was on their ░░░░░░░░ from Sacramento to Washington ░░░░░░░░ C at a speed ░░░░░░░░ in Iowa and they ░░░░░░░░ the police asked him ░░░░░░░░ he was going and ░░░░░░░░ was going to Washington ░░░░░░░░ C to kill Dr ░░░░░░░░ And they found in ░░░░░░░░ car an AR 15 ░░░░░░░░ multiple magazines of ammunition ░░░░░░░░ he thinks that maybe ░░░░░░░░ m killing people So ░░░░░░░░ ask myself why would ░░░░░░░░ want to do this ░░░░░░░░ go to Rand Paul ░░░░░░░░ and you see Fire ░░░░░░░░ Fauci with a little ░░░░░░░░ that says contribute here ░░░░░░░░ can do 5 10 ░░░░░░░░ 100 So you are ░░░░░░░░ a catastrophic epidemic for ░░░░░░░░ political gain So the ░░░░░░░░ thing Paul You have ░░░░░░░░ attacked your colleagues and ░░░░░░░░ a politically reprehensible way ░░░░░░░░ reputation You won t ░░░░░░░░ it You won t ░░░░░░░░ it You just simply ░░░░░░░░ around the attack Murray ░░░░░░░░ need to continue this ░░░░░░░░ We have a number ░░░░░░░░ questions from other senators ░░░░░░░░ One more minute if ░░░░░░░░ Murray Dr Fauci I ░░░░░░░░ appreciate your response but ░░░░░░░░ do have a number ░░░░░░░░ questions from senators and ░░░░░░░░ do have a second ░░░░░░░░ and I m being ░░░░░░░░ to make sure that ░░░░░░░░ has their time so ░░░░░░░░ you Fauci Thank you ░░░░░░░░ much for allowing me ░░░░░░░░ Chair.”