RUSH TRANSCRIPT Kubo had ░░░░░░░░ job with eight six ░░░░░░░░ five or jimbo when ░░░░░░░░ six six five apply ░░░░░░░░ Larry merits our guest ░░░░░░░░ director at power the ░░░░░░░░ dot com and we ░░░░░░░░ looking at the problems ░░░░░░░░ are facing a Europe ░░░░░░░░ now Are we at ░░░░░░░░ do a somewhat better ░░░░░░░░ Europe is doing I ░░░░░░░░ that some of the ░░░░░░░░ that we talked about ░░░░░░░░ that they re doing ░░░░░░░░ it sounds dumber than ░░░░░░░░ we re doing It ░░░░░░░░ and yeah great career ░░░░░░░░ re talking you re ░░░░░░░░ we are doing better ░░░░░░░░ sadly we have leadership ░░░░░░░░ discarding what back the ░░░░░░░░ we want to go ░░░░░░░░ and you know very ░░░░░░░░ a predictable road We ░░░░░░░░ this would happen if ░░░░░░░░ could just give a ░░░░░░░░ example I I grew ░░░░░░░░ in New Mexico and ░░░░░░░░ there was more than ░░░░░░░░ few coal fired power ░░░░░░░░ well with white shut ░░░░░░░░ near the Arizona and ░░░░░░░░ border As recently as ░░░░░░░░ thousand and 19 anyone ░░░░░░░░ the geography of the ░░░░░░░░ That s the Navajo ░░░░░░░░ and neighborhood Native American ░░░░░░░░ depend upon those jobs ░░░░░░░░ that just wasn t ░░░░░░░░ enough so they shut ░░░░░░░░ this coal fired power ░░░░░░░░ to the cheer up ░░░░░░░░ will something that that ░░░░░░░░ plant was doing was ░░░░░░░░ free coal to families ░░░░░░░░ the Navajo nation family ░░░░░░░░ live in homes that ░░░░░░░░ t capped into the ░░░░░░░░ grass get great or ░░░░░░░░ electrical grid and so ░░░░░░░░ had to find other ░░░░░░░░ to heat their homes ░░░░░░░░ in the winter of ░░░░░░░░ thousand nine to two ░░░░░░░░ hundred 20 you literally ░░░░░░░░ elderly Native American families ░░░░░░░░ their clothes to stay ░░░░░░░░ that where at all ░░░░░░░░ they could do the ░░░░░░░░ where were their environmental ░░░░░░░░ to come in and ░░░░░░░░ a war going to ░░░░░░░░ you with all their ░░░░░░░░ of billions of dollars ░░░░░░░░ where was there any ░░░░░░░░ of that support it ░░░░░░░░ they shipped the responsibility ░░░░░░░░ s just that well ░░░░░░░░ kind of thing that ░░░░░░░░ when you transition and ░░░░░░░░ s what happens when ░░░░░░░░ re not you re ░░░░░░░░ to save the planet ░░░░░░░░ guarantee you if they ░░░░░░░░ do it to those ░░░░░░░░ they will do it ░░░░░░░░ the rest of hours ░░░░░░░░ the bigger picture So ░░░░░░░░ is going to have ░░░░░░░░ do a course Correction ░░░░░░░░ cool Quickly to try ░░░░░░░░ get through this winter ░░░░░░░░ think long and hard ░░░░░░░░ what they re going ░░░░░░░░ do in the winters ░░░░░░░░ we ll come again ░░░░░░░░ here the United States ░░░░░░░░ re gonna have to ░░░░░░░░ a real serious debate ░░░░░░░░ This is not just ░░░░░░░░ abstract thought This is ░░░░░░░░ that is hitting our ░░░░░░░░ right now and like ░░░░░░░░ said sadly paying more ░░░░░░░░ your edit She is ░░░░░░░░ a great consequence in ░░░░░░░░ way shape or form ░░░░░░░░ it s the least ░░░░░░░░ troublesome consequences compared to ░░░░░░░░ other roads The green ░░░░░░░░ let you down and 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matter who they ░░░░░░░░ because start out the ░░░░░░░░ stay on a New ░░░░░░░░ City of San Francisco ░░░░░░░░ in the White House ░░░░░░░░ every governor s mansion ░░░░░░░░ is in support of ░░░░░░░░ It s the work ░░░░░░░░ families where the bills ░░░░░░░░ up first and the ░░░░░░░░ go out First I ░░░░░░░░ a wondering in the ░░░░░░░░ that regard the you ░░░░░░░░ the hacking and how ░░░░░░░░ well well are we ░░░░░░░░ me security especially the ░░░░░░░░ computer security of our ░░░░░░░░ grid Well it it ░░░░░░░░ a stark lesson right ░░░░░░░░ and it is there ░░░░░░░░ case of and adults ░░░░░░░░ goes you don t ░░░░░░░░ what you got til ░░░░░░░░ s gone so I ░░░░░░░░ believe that those who ░░░░░░░░ in charge of such ░░░░░░░░ are working to fortify ░░░░░░░░ but where the best ░░░░░░░░ to fortify it is ░░░░░░░░ you are self reliant ░░░░░░░░ could prove if it ░░░░░░░░ something that is critical ░░░░░░░░ you You do not ░░░░░░░░ it to chance and ░░░░░░░░ it is a question ░░░░░░░░ we debate these things ░░░░░░░░ know it Let me ░░░░░░░░ bring it into another ░░░░░░░░ promise that never materializes ░░░░░░░░ m old enough to ░░░░░░░░ when a person who ░░░░░░░░ vice president by the ░░░░░░░░ Joe Biden put out ░░░░░░░░ press release in two ░░░░░░░░ nine for a company ░░░░░░░░ Solyndra and they were ░░░░░░░░ spend hundreds of millions ░░░░░░░░ dollars on this company ░░░░░░░░ was finally gonna make ░░░░░░░░ panels in the United ░░░░░░░░ what they went belly ░░░░░░░░ They continue to promise ░░░░░░░░ jobs but like Lucy ░░░░░░░░ the football these massive ░░░░░░░░ jobs never materialize whereas ░░░░░░░░ natural gas giants have ░░░░░░░░ here Jr additionally those ░░░░░░░░ to be wiped away ░░░░░░░░ any regard to what ░░░░░░░░ going to do so ░░░░░░░░ at to say bit ░░░░░░░░ real infrastructure not what ░░░░░░░░ in Washington are calling ░░░░░░░░ right now the real ░░░░░░░░ to the United States ░░░░░░░░ absolutely needs to be ░░░░░░░░ and needs to be ░░░░░░░░ and a thankfully we ░░░░░░░░ had men and women ░░░░░░░░ for generations have done ░░░░░░░░ that we ve been ░░░░░░░░ to make electricity something ░░░░░░░░ people can take for ░░░░░░░░ But that doesn t ░░░░░░░░ that it doesn t ░░░░░░░░ up to our doors ░░░░░░░░ a lot of work.