Dickerson to Fauci: Do All Breakthrough Cases Have the Similar Ability to Spread Covid?

DICKERSON Sticking on on ░░░░░░░░ point we ve always ░░░░░░░░ that it was not ░░░░░░░░ effective when you re ░░░░░░░░ So among the breakthrough ░░░░░░░░ that we always knew ░░░░░░░░ happen in every breakthrough ░░░░░░░░ is it true that ░░░░░░░░ ability to spread is ░░░░░░░░ or is it a ░░░░░░░░ subset of the breakthrough ░░░░░░░░ in which this discovery ░░░░░░░░ made about the ability ░░░░░░░░ spread FAUCI Well the ░░░░░░░░ of the ability to ░░░░░░░░ is clear We re ░░░░░░░░ that very very clearly ░░░░░░░░ a number of situations ░░░░░░░░ you look at the ░░░░░░░░ that we ve gotten ░░░░░░░░ a single study so ░░░░░░░░ and other studies are ░░░░░░░░ out you have a ░░░░░░░░ But the mean the ░░░░░░░░ of average or mean ░░░░░░░░ of virus in the ░░░░░░░░ is really quite similar ░░░░░░░░ identical on an average ░░░░░░░░ you would think obviously ░░░░░░░░ you have biological variability ░░░░░░░░ re going to have ░░░░░░░░ people high some people ░░░░░░░░ some people in the ░░░░░░░░ But the median or ░░░░░░░░ is going to be ░░░░░░░░ there which is very ░░░░░░░░ to the unvaccinated individual ░░░░░░░░ is troublesome which tells ░░░░░░░░ the potential for transmission ░░░░░░░░ there DICKERSON And that ░░░░░░░░ why the mask guidance ░░░░░░░░ those who have already ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated because there are ░░░░░░░░ cases in which it ░░░░░░░░ possible to spread FAUCI ░░░░░░░░ I mean the situation ░░░░░░░░ that if you get ░░░░░░░░ infections in individuals who ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated and they don ░░░░░░░░ spread at all to ░░░░░░░░ else then you would ░░░░░░░░ worry about if they ░░░░░░░░ home to a vulnerable ░░░░░░░░ in the household children ░░░░░░░░ an elderly person they ░░░░░░░░ t be any issue ░░░░░░░░ since we know now ░░░░░░░░ A they can transmit ░░░░░░░░ they get breakthrough infections ░░░░░░░░ though they have minimal ░░░░░░░░ or no symptoms we ░░░░░░░░ they can do it ░░░░░░░░ know the mechanistic reason ░░░░░░░░ it is that the ░░░░░░░░ of virus is high ░░░░░░░░ you want to make ░░░░░░░░ they don t get ░░░░░░░░ And that s the ░░░░░░░░ why And the fundamental ░░░░░░░░ for the CDC modifying ░░░░░░░░ guidelines and saying now ░░░░░░░░ you re in an ░░░░░░░░ of a high or ░░░░░░░░ level of virus namely ░░░░░░░░ red or an orange ░░░░░░░░ when you are in ░░░░░░░░ indoor public setting you ░░░░░░░░ to wear a mask ░░░░░░░░ s the fundamental reason ░░░░░░░░ that change DICKERSON And ░░░░░░░░ people who say I ░░░░░░░░ t want to wear ░░░░░░░░ mask it s my ░░░░░░░░ decision that s the ░░░░░░░░ they see it As ░░░░░░░░ see it what decision ░░░░░░░░ they making by not ░░░░░░░░ a mask FAUCI Well ░░░░░░░░ of the issues that ░░░░░░░░ looms large John when ░░░░░░░░ re dealing with this ░░░░░░░░ that you understand people ░░░░░░░░ feeling that they have ░░░░░░░░ individual right to make ░░░░░░░░ own decision And I ░░░░░░░░ that for sure But ░░░░░░░░ issue is if you ░░░░░░░░ going to be part ░░░░░░░░ the transmission chain to ░░░░░░░░ else then your decision ░░░░░░░░ impacting someone else It ░░░░░░░░ not only impacting you ░░░░░░░░ you ve got to ░░░░░░░░ about it that you ░░░░░░░░ a member of society ░░░░░░░░ you have a responsibility ░░░░░░░░ Let me ask you ░░░░░░░░ context here In the ░░░░░░░░ document there was an ░░░░░░░░ someone wrote the war ░░░░░░░░ changed based on these ░░░░░░░░ findings But isn t ░░░░░░░░ war essentially the same ░░░░░░░░ it was which is ░░░░░░░░ are pockets of the ░░░░░░░░ where there are not ░░░░░░░░ getting vaccinated as much ░░░░░░░░ they should be and ░░░░░░░░ s the big issue ░░░░░░░░ that hasn t changed ░░░░░░░░ week at all despite ░░░░░░░░ we ve just been ░░░░░░░░ about for the last ░░░░░░░░ minutes FAUCI You re ░░░░░░░░ correct We have 100 ░░░░░░░░ people in this country ░░░░░░░░ who are eligible to ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated who are not ░░░░░░░░ We ve really got ░░░░░░░░ get those people to ░░░░░░░░ their minds make it ░░░░░░░░ for them convince them ░░░░░░░░ something to get them ░░░░░░░░ be vaccinated because they ░░░░░░░░ the ones that are ░░░░░░░░ this outbreak So you ░░░░░░░░ absolutely correct That hasn ░░░░░░░░ changed What has magnified ░░░░░░░░ problem John is that ░░░░░░░░ re now dealing with ░░░░░░░░ virus that has an ░░░░░░░░ capability of spreading from ░░░░░░░░ to person So when ░░░░░░░░ superimpose one on the ░░░░░░░░ you have a very ░░░░░░░░ situation a pool of ░░░░░░░░ people and a virus ░░░░░░░░ spreads very efficiently DICKERSON ░░░░░░░░ at the Massachusetts the ░░░░░░░░ study that was a ░░░░░░░░ of this mask guidance ░░░░░░░░ ve talked about the ░░░░░░░░ to transmit among those ░░░░░░░░ are already vaccinated But ░░░░░░░░ looks like the story ░░░░░░░░ that study could also ░░░░░░░░ the vaccines work FAUCI ░░░░░░░░ absolutely I mean it ░░░░░░░░ understandable how there could ░░░░░░░░ kind of a dual ░░░░░░░░ a mixed message from ░░░░░░░░ study but the predominant ░░░░░░░░ is that if you ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated and you get ░░░░░░░░ breakthrough infec first of ░░░░░░░░ if you re vaccinated ░░░░░░░░ re much much more ░░░░░░░░ against getting infected than ░░░░░░░░ unvaccinated who is completely ░░░░░░░░ So you have a ░░░░░░░░ of protection against infection ░░░░░░░░ the critical issue John ░░░░░░░░ that if you do ░░░░░░░░ infected the likelihood of ░░░░░░░░ getting a severe outcome ░░░░░░░░ the infection is very ░░░░░░░░ It is much more ░░░░░░░░ that you will be ░░░░░░░░ without symptoms or minimally ░░░░░░░░ So the vaccine is ░░░░░░░░ what you want it ░░░░░░░░ do It s protecting ░░░░░░░░ from getting sick DICKERSON ░░░░░░░░ seems to be some ░░░░░░░░ that the message is ░░░░░░░░ through The total number ░░░░░░░░ new vaccinated reported in ░░░░░░░░ past seven days is ░░░░░░░░ highest since the week ░░░░░░░░ July Fourth.”