SITMAN Just listen As ░░░░░░░░ election nears Trump seems ░░░░░░░░ popular than ever before ░░░░░░░░ sure After four years ░░░░░░░░ aren t just taking ░░░░░░░░ risk on an unknown ░░░░░░░░ They are voting for ░░░░░░░░ who presided over a ░░░░░░░░ economy created jobs reduced ░░░░░░░░ unemployment kept us out ░░░░░░░░ wars brought troops home ░░░░░░░░ energy prices reframed diplomacy ░░░░░░░░ the Middle East and ░░░░░░░░ on His opponent who ░░░░░░░░ the establishment choice is ░░░░░░░░ and frail Most polls ░░░░░░░░ Trump doesn t have ░░░░░░░░ chance but the polls ░░░░░░░░ wrong last time and ░░░░░░░░ of them are connected ░░░░░░░░ media sources you already ░░░░░░░░ t trust And he ░░░░░░░░ So leading up to ░░░░░░░░ election you re aware ░░░░░░░░ issues with questionable rule ░░░░░░░░ all which magnify the ░░░░░░░░ endemic to ballot harvesting ░░░░░░░░ matching unclean voter rolls ░░░░░░░░ in voting machines and ░░░░░░░░ about when and how ░░░░░░░░ have to be returned ░░░░░░░░ you know this guy ░░░░░░░░ s he s basically ░░░░░░░░ describing someone being having ░░░░░░░░ minds destroyed by right ░░░░░░░░ media ADLER BELL Right ░░░░░░░░ And saying you know ░░░░░░░░ people have good reason ░░░░░░░░ be suspicious and there ░░░░░░░░ all these problems with ░░░░░░░░ that he doesn t ░░░░░░░░ specify or go into ░░░░░░░░ offer any proof of ░░░░░░░░ BELL Yeah SITMAN And ░░░░░░░░ there that s how ░░░░░░░░ end up at the ░░░░░░░░ on January 6 I ░░░░░░░░ t keep reading from ░░░░░░░░ piece because it s ░░░░░░░░ of too long and ░░░░░░░░ loses steam But the ░░░░░░░░ thing is after he ░░░░░░░░ this piece which is ░░░░░░░░ kind of pitched as ░░░░░░░░ fictional you know imagine ░░░░░░░░ account of how someone ░░░░░░░░ do this it turns ░░░░░░░░ he was there on ░░░░░░░░ 6 Laughter So this ░░░░░░░░ thing he was like ░░░░░░░░ himself perhaps ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ my gosh SITMAN He ░░░░░░░░ t say that but ░░░░░░░░ was there as local ░░░░░░░░ reported after some students ░░░░░░░░ his university found this ░░░░░░░░ and were upset by ░░░░░░░░ It became like a ░░░░░░░░ story ADLER BELL Just ░░░░░░░░ it from your perspective ░░░░░░░░ did you go motherf ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Yeah so it ░░░░░░░░ actually an act of ░░░░░░░░ too He could have ░░░░░░░░ said I believe this ░░░░░░░░ BELL Yeah SITMAN I ░░░░░░░░ actually that vote harvesting ░░░░░░░░ are correct ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN But he didn ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Or I ░░░░░░░░ t believe it but ░░░░░░░░ mean like as I ░░░░░░░░ is true most everyone ░░░░░░░░ works at Claremont not ░░░░░░░░ he does but I ░░░░░░░░ saying he published in ░░░░░░░░ Mind they don t ░░░░░░░░ it they just think ░░░░░░░░ s a useful fiction ░░░░░░░░ think it s worth ░░░░░░░░ s like as long ░░░░░░░░ enough people believe that ░░░░░░░░ legitimately won the election ░░░░░░░░ Biden is a fake ░░░░░░░░ that s all to ░░░░░░░░ better for their aims ░░░░░░░░ mean these guys are ░░░░░░░░ f king idiots They ░░░░░░░░ not rubes They watch ░░░░░░░░ News of course but ░░░░░░░░ don t believe everything ░░░░░░░░ s said there SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ A couple notable things ░░░░░░░░ is the portrayal of ░░░░░░░░ of the people there ░░░░░░░░ January 6 as you ░░░░░░░░ just kind of good ░░░░░░░░ patriotic people with real ░░░░░░░░ and in numerical sense ░░░░░░░░ could be true but ░░░░░░░░ really misses the character ░░░░░░░░ the thing right ADLER ░░░░░░░░ Yeah SITMAN And also ░░░░░░░░ just kind of just ░░░░░░░░ questions sort of approach ░░░░░░░░ the election ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN And you can ░░░░░░░░ can see that one ░░░░░░░░ of people like we ░░░░░░░░ describing earlier the Lin ░░░░░░░░ of the world is ░░░░░░░░ make guys like this ░░░░░░░░ reasonable ADLER BELL Oh ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Because once you ░░░░░░░░ or kind of inject ░░░░░░░░ the discourse questions about ░░░░░░░░ fraud and you start ░░░░░░░░ these conspiracy theories then ░░░░░░░░ s like well that ░░░░░░░░ one side of the ░░░░░░░░ right and the other ░░░░░░░░ of the debate is ░░░░░░░░ there wasn t massive ░░░░░░░░ ballot harvesting so on ░░░░░░░░ so forth There wasn ░░░░░░░░ actually you know a ░░░░░░░░ between Biden and the ░░░░░░░░ government to throw the ░░░░░░░░ There wasn t actually ░░░░░░░░ who snuck in and ░░░░░░░░ the internal parts of ░░░░░░░░ voting machines ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ you can understand why ░░░░░░░░ might have thought there ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Right exactly That ░░░░░░░░ what this guy is ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL The good ░░░░░░░░ the good you know ░░░░░░░░ reasonable types on the ░░░░░░░░ right can be can ░░░░░░░░ But it was all ░░░░░░░░ weird wasn t it ░░░░░░░░ like you can understand ░░░░░░░░ someone might have thought ░░░░░░░░ or that which of ░░░░░░░░ like they thought this ░░░░░░░░ that cause the president ░░░░░░░░ king said that it ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Yes yes ADLER ░░░░░░░░ And the president s ░░░░░░░░ said that it happened ░░░░░░░░ Yes No it s ░░░░░░░░ maddening because no one ░░░░░░░░ say election fraud happened ░░░░░░░░ here s the proof ░░░░░░░░ real proof It s ░░░░░░░░ that they say Well ░░░░░░░░ something like that happened ░░░░░░░░ It s plausible to ░░░░░░░░ something like that happened ░░░░░░░░ then it s just ░░░░░░░░ know the doubt is ░░░░░░░░ and then it turns ░░░░░░░░ the both sidesism right ░░░░░░░░ just kind of have ░░░░░░░░ sides of this debate ░░░░░░░░ argues for election fraud ░░░░░░░░ other says it wasn ░░░░░░░░ a fraudulent election And ░░░░░░░░ know well you just ░░░░░░░░ to ask questions and ░░░░░░░░ through them But as ░░░░░░░░ re saying this is ░░░░░░░░ the product of lies ░░░░░░░░ and people and his ░░░░░░░░ in the media and ░░░░░░░░ have peddled ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ yeah yeah SITMAN It ░░░░░░░░ not it didn t ░░░░░░░░ from some empirical observation ░░░░░░░░ made sense ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ even like a grassroots ░░░░░░░░ you know It started ░░░░░░░░ the people at the ░░░░░░░░ who didn t want ░░░░░░░░ accept the legitimate outcome ░░░░░░░░ election for sure SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ exactly ADLER BELL So ░░░░░░░░ ll take us in ░░░░░░░░ direction SITMAN Sure please ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL which I ░░░░░░░░ really underscores like the ░░░░░░░░ logic of the right ░░░░░░░░ is to say that ░░░░░░░░ s there s no ░░░░░░░░ if like simultaneous explanations ░░░░░░░░ some phenomenon are like ░░░░░░░░ exclusive or incoherent So ░░░░░░░░ on the one hand ░░░░░░░░ ve got this idea ░░░░░░░░ everybody who was at ░░░░░░░░ protest was just like ░░░░░░░░ good hearted conservative who ░░░░░░░░ some questions about what ░░░░░░░░ and were just show ░░░░░░░░ were there out of ░░░░░░░░ patriotic obligations and anything ░░░░░░░░ happened was you know ░░░░░░░░ like they were just ░░░░░░░░ right Like this is ░░░░░░░░ thing that a lot ░░░░░░░░ conservatives were saying right ░░░░░░░░ the after the event ░░░░░░░░ were like Well look ░░░░░░░░ of these people are ░░░░░░░░ walking around like they ░░░░░░░░ invited to D C ░░░░░░░░ a little tour of ░░░░░░░░ Capitol They didn t ░░░░░░░░ know they weren t ░░░░░░░░ to be in there ░░░░░░░░ the same time the ░░░░░░░░ new hotness on how ░░░░░░░░ explain January 6th some ░░░░░░░░ our listeners may know ░░░░░░░░ they re Tucker Carlson ░░░░░░░░ or watchdogs is the ░░░░░░░░ that January 6 actually ░░░░░░░░ an inside job SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Which just ░░░░░░░░ absolutely nutso l but ░░░░░░░░ ll explain Basically there ░░░░░░░░ a guy named Darren ░░░░░░░░ who might be recognizable ░░░░░░░░ listeners I ll explain ░░░░░░░░ he says first What ░░░░░░░░ has suggested on his ░░░░░░░░ is that because in ░░░░░░░░ charging documents for some ░░░░░░░░ the people who have ░░░░░░░░ arrested and indicted for ░░░░░░░░ 6 there are people ░░░░░░░░ are named as unindicted ░░░░░░░░ conspirators Beattie is suggesting ░░░░░░░░ those people are all ░░░░░░░░ operatives or informants who ░░░░░░░░ fact organized the attacking ░░░░░░░░ the Capitol on January ░░░░░░░░ encouraged people to do ░░░░░░░░ as a pretext basically ░░░░░░░░ engage in a crackdown ░░░░░░░░ conservative organizational politics in ░░░░░░░░ country which we re ░░░░░░░░ undergoing This is the ░░░░░░░░ There s been like ░░░░░░░░ debunkings of even the ░░░░░░░░ co conspirator thing where ░░░░░░░░ s like that s ░░░░░░░░ how they would describe ░░░░░░░░ people in the charging ░░░░░░░░ which is like the ░░░░░░░░ basis for this speculative ░░░░░░░░ where he says what ░░░░░░░░ agencies were on the ░░░░░░░░ and what involvement did ░░░░░░░░ have in this thing ░░░░░░░░ place But just so ░░░░░░░░ are keeping score here ░░░░░░░░ we re saying actually ░░░░░░░░ were FBI agents who ░░░░░░░░ the people who were ░░░░░░░░ to do something violent ░░░░░░░░ illegal in order to ░░░░░░░░ a pretext to crack ░░░░░░░░ on the whole conservative ░░░░░░░░ using the police state ░░░░░░░░ Carlson ate this sh ░░░░░░░░ up and has done ░░░░░░░░ three episodes where he ░░░░░░░░ said explicitly FBI operatives ░░░░░░░░ organizing the attack on ░░░░░░░░ Capitol on January 6th ░░░░░░░░ Fox News this is ░░░░░░░░ he says Now Matt ░░░░░░░░ Marjorie Taylor Greene and ░░░░░░░░ Gosar have all embraced ░░░░░░░░ theory they re all ░░░░░░░░ Yes it was an ░░░░░░░░ job We need a ░░░░░░░░ investigation into which federal ░░░░░░░░ were on the ground ░░░░░░░░ January 6th Of course ░░░░░░░░ s an irony here ░░░░░░░░ is that all of ░░░░░░░░ elected officials voted against ░░░░░░░░ congressional you know the ░░░░░░░░ congressional investigation into the ░░░░░░░░ of January 6 You ░░░░░░░░ like if you wanted ░░░░░░░░ know what actually happened ░░░░░░░░ and you thought the ░░░░░░░░ was involved maybe you ░░░░░░░░ want there to be ░░░░░░░░ an impaneled congressional investigation ░░░░░░░░ what went down but ░░░░░░░░ all voted against it ░░░░░░░░ this is all insane ░░░░░░░░ I think probably listeners ░░░░░░░░ t need to be ░░░░░░░░ why it s insane ░░░░░░░░ it s clearly like ░░░░░░░░ way of exonerating Trump ░░░░░░░░ everybody who was there ░░░░░░░░ was all a deep ░░░░░░░░ plot to undermine I ░░░░░░░░ t know to undermine ░░░░░░░░ and then of course ░░░░░░░░ create this new kind ░░░░░░░░ war on conservative activists ░░░░░░░░ s being engaged by ░░░░░░░░ FBI now But what ░░░░░░░░ want to note is ░░░░░░░░ Darren Beattie is because ░░░░░░░░ s never come up ░░░░░░░░ the podcast before but ░░░░░░░░ guy was hired as ░░░░░░░░ speechwriter for Trump and ░░░░░░░░ was fired in 2018 ░░░░░░░░ this is the originator ░░░░░░░░ this theory of the ░░░░░░░░ job he was hired ░░░░░░░░ a Trump speechwriter he ░░░░░░░░ fired in 2018 because ░░░░░░░░ appeared on a panel ░░░░░░░░ a white nationalist Peter ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Oh yes VDARE ░░░░░░░░ BELL Co founder of ░░░░░░░░ which as listeners may ░░░░░░░░ is named for the ░░░░░░░░ supposedly the first child ░░░░░░░░ to white English settlers ░░░░░░░░ the Americas SITMAN Virginia ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Exactly It ░░░░░░░░ a straightforwardly white nationalist ░░░░░░░░ Semitic neo Nazi website ░░░░░░░░ being fired by the ░░░░░░░░ administration because of that ░░░░░░░░ up about the fact ░░░░░░░░ he appeared on this ░░░░░░░░ with Peter Brimelow he ░░░░░░░░ hired by Matt Gaetz ░░░░░░░░ April 2019 and then ░░░░░░░░ was rehired by the ░░░░░░░░ administration on November 19th ░░░░░░░░ after the election SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ Love it Love it ░░░░░░░░ BELL But this is ░░░░░░░░ real kicker He was ░░░░░░░░ to be a board ░░░░░░░░ on the Commission for ░░░░░░░░ Preservation of America s ░░░░░░░░ Abroad whose main task ░░░░░░░░ seeking out and overseeing ░░░░░░░░ preservation of overseas sites ░░░░░░░░ to the Holocaust SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ ADLER Amazing So this ░░░░░░░░ who was fired from ░░░░░░░░ administration for having participated ░░░░░░░░ an event with an ░░░░░░░░ a neo Nazi anti ░░░░░░░░ is rehired by the ░░░░░░░░ in November 2020 to ░░░░░░░░ a member of a ░░░░░░░░ that focuses on overseas ░░░░░░░░ devoted to the Holocaust ░░░░░░░░ Amazing What s this ░░░░░░░░ doing now ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ don t know just ░░░░░░░░ and going on Tucker ░░░░░░░░ and talking about how ░░░░░░░░ f king January 6 ░░░░░░░░ an inside job That ░░░░░░░░ what he s done ░░░░░░░░ was on Charlie Kirk ░░░░░░░░ podcast the other day ░░░░░░░░ was telling you this ░░░░░░░░ earlier the fascinating thing ░░░░░░░░ this inside job thing ░░░░░░░░ that like listening to ░░░░░░░░ Kirk talk to Darren ░░░░░░░░ he was like I ░░░░░░░░ so thrilled because this ░░░░░░░░ t a direct quote ░░░░░░░░ is sort of the ░░░░░░░░ He was like I ░░░░░░░░ so thrilled because now ░░░░░░░░ have a narrative that ░░░░░░░░ good Like it doesn ░░░░░░░░ matter what s true ░░░░░░░░ like this narrative this ░░░░░░░░ that the whole thing ░░░░░░░░ an inside job and ░░░░░░░░ actually all part of ░░░░░░░░ deep state conspiracy against ░░░░░░░░ and against conservatives that ░░░░░░░░ good as a set ░░░░░░░░ the way of thinking ░░░░░░░░ what happened And he ░░░░░░░░ like And it s ░░░░░░░░ being taken up you ░░░░░░░░ Carlson these elected Republicans ░░░░░░░░ suggesting that it s ░░░░░░░░ reality I mean you ░░░░░░░░ whatever It s not ░░░░░░░░ anybody had any delusions ░░░░░░░░ Charlie Kirk s good ░░░░░░░░ or honesty but one ░░░░░░░░ the things that interesting ░░░░░░░░ it is it s ░░░░░░░░ clear that just like ░░░░░░░░ here s a plausible ░░░░░░░░ we ll throw it ░░░░░░░░ the wall I mean ░░░░░░░░ s not plausible but ░░░░░░░░ this exonerates us from ░░░░░░░░ having to face down ░░░░░░░░ fact that our politics ░░░░░░░░ produced this outcome SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ yes And this line ░░░░░░░░ it s also you ░░░░░░░░ find it at the ░░░░░░░░ Conservative Listeners might not ░░░░░░░░ surprised to hear that ░░░░░░░░ Arthur Bloom has a ░░░░░░░░ June 22 Of course ░░░░░░░░ FBI was infiltrating January ░░░░░░░░ groups ADLER BELL Yeah ░░░░░░░░ And as you pointed ░░░░░░░░ the kettle logic here ░░░░░░░░ okay was this really ░░░░░░░░ a bunch of peaceful ░░░░░░░░ doing nothing or was ░░░░░░░░ actually such a big ░░░░░░░░ that it s actually ░░░░░░░░ FBI plot to bring ░░░░░░░░ the right you know ░░░░░░░░ supporters Which is it ░░░░░░░░ know it s like ░░░░░░░░ the right s various ░░░░░░░░ don t entirely add ░░░░░░░░ or totally make sense ░░░░░░░░ BELL They don t ░░░░░░░░ to yeah And it ░░░░░░░░ not implausible that there ░░░░░░░░ like FBI informants embedded ░░░░░░░░ militia groups That would ░░░░░░░░ totally within their purview ░░░░░░░░ like it doesn t ░░░░░░░░ any sense like why ░░░░░░░░ thing that would potentially ░░░░░░░░ the lives of members ░░░░░░░░ Congress like they re ░░░░░░░░ to be like Let ░░░░░░░░ just give this a ░░░░░░░░ Let s convince these ░░░░░░░░ to try to do ░░░░░░░░ violent insurrection at the ░░░░░░░░ on this particular day ░░░░░░░░ part of our long ░░░░░░░░ goal to like arrest ░░░░░░░░ Kirk SITMAN Yes Now ░░░░░░░░ I find interesting and ░░░░░░░░ of the reason we ░░░░░░░░ the way we have ░░░░░░░░ from left to right ░░░░░░░░ you can see on ░░░░░░░░ right that actually like ░░░░░░░░ too starting with January ░░░░░░░░ and then tracking the ░░░░░░░░ shifting rhetoric on the ░░░░░░░░ about this that it ░░░░░░░░ moved from some initial ░░░░░░░░ right where it seemed ░░░░░░░░ Mitch McConnell said something ░░░░░░░░ maybe was a little ░░░░░░░░ right or during the ░░░░░░░░ hearings even after January ░░░░░░░░ Mitch McConnell said Of ░░░░░░░░ Trump s culpable in ░░░░░░░░ moral sense just not ░░░░░░░░ a legal sense for ░░░░░░░░ Like it was a ░░░░░░░░ kind of legalistic reason ░░░░░░░░ not voting to impeach ░░░░░░░░ but it also did ░░░░░░░░ some criticisms of him ░░░░░░░░ mild And you know ░░░░░░░░ course there were the ░░░░░░░░ we ve detailed to ░░░░░░░░ kind of ask questions ░░░░░░░░ what happened downplay in ░░░░░░░░ ways but now we ░░░░░░░░ actually seen that this ░░░░░░░░ become a weapon for ░░░░░░░░ right ADLER BELL Yeah ░░░░░░░░ And not only is ░░░░░░░░ you know the kind ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Carlson American Conservative ░░░░░░░░ about the FBI infiltrating ░░░░░░░░ groups and it being ░░░░░░░░ inside job more than ░░░░░░░░ right actually kind of ░░░░░░░░ out this attack in ░░░░░░░░ ways You can see ░░░░░░░░ s now a shift ░░░░░░░░ defensiveness to actually offense ░░░░░░░░ on the attack ADLER ░░░░░░░░ Yeah SITMAN And the ░░░░░░░░ kind of prong of ░░░░░░░░ this is the young ░░░░░░░░ we mentioned earlier Ashli ░░░░░░░░ who she was 35 ░░░░░░░░ old she was shot ░░░░░░░░ trying to force her ░░░░░░░░ through a barricaded door ░░░░░░░░ now has become the ░░░░░░░░ of right wing martyr ░░░░░░░░ this whole episode I ░░░░░░░░ Trump at a recent ░░░░░░░░ kind of got into ░░░░░░░░ and the headline from ░░░░░░░░ NBC story was Trump ░░░░░░░░ Ashley Babbitt killed in ░░░░░░░░ Capitol riot into a ░░░░░░░░ And so you can ░░░░░░░░ see that it s ░░░░░░░░ the offensive It s ░░░░░░░░ weaponizing the conspiracy theories ░░░░░░░░ unknowns about what happened ░░░░░░░░ you know even mistakes ░░░░░░░░ might have been made ░░░░░░░░ a way to make ░░░░░░░░ January 6 insurrection not ░░░░░░░░ black mark on Trump ░░░░░░░░ record not something that ░░░░░░░░ make any decent person ░░░░░░░░ of ever supporting someone ░░░░░░░░ Trump again but a ░░░░░░░░ to support him He ░░░░░░░░ once again the kind ░░░░░░░░ truth teller who is ░░░░░░░░ what really happened to ░░░░░░░░ Babbitt and his allies ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Carlson are telling ░░░░░░░░ what really happened on ░░░░░░░░ 6 which is the ░░░░░░░░ right it was instigated ░░░░░░░░ them it was an ░░░░░░░░ job And so they ░░░░░░░░ actually again going on ░░░░░░░░ offensive weaponizing these things ░░░░░░░░ longer even really feel ░░░░░░░░ need to explain away ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah exactly ░░░░░░░░ s like you never ░░░░░░░░ to feel any shame ░░░░░░░░ never have to feel ░░░░░░░░ about anything Everything that ░░░░░░░░ ve ever done is ░░░░░░░░ and everything that our ░░░░░░░░ has ever tried to ░░░░░░░░ is good Like don ░░░░░░░░ like that brief moment ░░░░░░░░ January 6 where people ░░░░░░░░ like Well this went ░░░░░░░░ far Trump went too ░░░░░░░░ forget it forget it ░░░░░░░░ one did anything wrong ░░░░░░░░ the extent that anybody ░░░░░░░░ anything wrong it was ░░░░░░░░ FBI forcing them to ░░░░░░░░ it and people like ░░░░░░░░ Babbitt who died are ░░░░░░░░ to our cause It ░░░░░░░░ all like feel good ░░░░░░░░ pumping up and that ░░░░░░░░ it s not surprising ░░░░░░░░ that s where it ░░░░░░░░ up but there s ░░░░░░░░ there s certainly no ░░░░░░░░ or humility or a ░░░░░░░░ of justice or fairness ░░░░░░░░ work there It s ░░░░░░░░ it s just will ░░░░░░░░ power and a desire ░░░░░░░░ feel unencumbered by guilt ░░░░░░░░ anything that s ever ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Yes Yeah But ░░░░░░░░ speaking of going on ░░░░░░░░ offensive there was another ░░░░░░░░ bit of research I ░░░░░░░░ to bring in here ░░░░░░░░ BELL Yeah SITMAN You ░░░░░░░░ listening to very interesting ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah As ░░░░░░░░ listeners know I listen ░░░░░░░░ quite a lot of ░░░░░░░░ Institute podcast content and ░░░░░░░░ the American Mind podcast ░░░░░░░░ Anton who was briefly ░░░░░░░░ deputy national security adviser ░░░░░░░░ Trump He as many ░░░░░░░░ your listeners will know ░░░░░░░░ the author of The ░░░░░░░░ 93 Election piece in ░░░░░░░░ Review of Books It ░░░░░░░░ written under a pseudonym ░░░░░░░░ but it was about ░░░░░░░░ conservatives absolutely had to ░░░░░░░░ for Trump or else ░░░░░░░░ know the plane is ░░░░░░░░ into the building And ░░░░░░░░ hosts a podcast called ░░░░░░░░ Stakes that s part ░░░░░░░░ the American Mind suite ░░░░░░░░ podcast and one of ░░░░░░░░ buddies is a guy ░░░░░░░░ Curtis Yarvin Curtis Yarvin ░░░░░░░░ like a Silicon Valley ░░░░░░░░ he used to go ░░░░░░░░ the name was it ░░░░░░░░ Moldbug SITMAN Yes ADLER ░░░░░░░░ He s a neo ░░░░░░░░ monarchist a literal monarchist ░░░░░░░░ Yeah He might have ░░░░░░░░ up briefly in our ░░░░░░░░ with Isabella Burton ADLER ░░░░░░░░ Oh yeah probably SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ very briefly Very very ░░░░░░░░ though ADLER BELL He ░░░░░░░░ a monarchist straight up ░░░░░░░░ believes that we need ░░░░░░░░ have a new anti ░░░░░░░░ reactionary dictatorship to unseat ░░░░░░░░ regime of progressive liberalism ░░░░░░░░ this country He imagines ░░░░░░░░ like Elon Musk or ░░░░░░░░ Thiel as serving that ░░░░░░░░ He thinks that America ░░░░░░░░ a new Caesar And ░░░░░░░░ context of this conversation ░░░░░░░░ Yarvin and Anton Anton ░░░░░░░░ Yarvin on his podcast ░░░░░░░░ to discuss that argument ░░░░░░░░ know basically like why ░░░░░░░░ dictatorship why not democracy ░░░░░░░░ Anton who is nominally ░░░░░░░░ know a democrat small ░░░░░░░░ and you know a ░░░░░░░░ Coast Straussian was like ░░░░░░░░ know I don t ░░░░░░░░ with this guy about ░░░░░░░░ but he s got ░░░░░░░░ interesting things to say ░░░░░░░░ let s talk about ░░░░░░░░ And in the course ░░░░░░░░ this conversation they started ░░░░░░░░ about basically what would ░░░░░░░░ take for like a ░░░░░░░░ American Caesar to take ░░░░░░░░ and reverse all the ░░░░░░░░ things about the regime ░░░░░░░░ replace it with something ░░░░░░░░ And they tended to ░░░░░░░░ that Trump couldn t ░░░░░░░░ it on his own ░░░░░░░░ it s just so ░░░░░░░░ embedded in the bureaucracy ░░░░░░░░ the way that our ░░░░░░░░ system works there s ░░░░░░░░ much you have to ░░░░░░░░ before you even start ░░░░░░░░ Like there s so ░░░░░░░░ the infection and the ░░░░░░░░ is so deep in ░░░░░░░░ regime And Yarvin solution ░░░░░░░░ explicitly you have a ░░░░░░░░ who takes who gets ░░░░░░░░ they acknowledge while they ░░░░░░░░ being elected that I ░░░░░░░░ going to take power ░░░░░░░░ immediately declare emergency rule ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ destroy all the parts ░░░░░░░░ our government that are ░░░░░░░░ seed of the former ░░░░░░░░ progressive anti racist woke ░░░░░░░░ that is undermining you ░░░░░░░░ the full flourishing of ░░░░░░░░ greatness and stuff like ░░░░░░░░ Anton is you know ░░░░░░░░ along doing this kind ░░░░░░░░ cutesy thing with Yarvin ░░░░░░░░ he s like having ░░░░░░░░ be like tongue in ░░░░░░░░ and like Of course ░░░░░░░░ given my affiliation with ░░░░░░░░ Claremont Institute and my ░░░░░░░░ a very serious conservative ░░░░░░░░ cannot say yes I ░░░░░░░░ with you that we ░░░░░░░░ a new American Caesar ░░░░░░░░ nonetheless at a certain ░░░░░░░░ that they have this ░░░░░░░░ where they re talking ░░░░░░░░ how would this be ░░░░░░░░ like even on a ░░░░░░░░ inauguration day for Trump ░░░░░░░░ he declares emergency law ░░░░░░░░ a state of emergency ░░░░░░░░ like how would he ░░░░░░░░ the legitimacy to do ░░░░░░░░ and basically Anton presses ░░░░░░░░ he says Yarvin initially ░░░░░░░░ you d need like ░░░░░░░░ the people who are ░░░░░░░░ supporters to be hooked ░░░░░░░░ to this like this ░░░░░░░░ the crazy like Silicon ░░░░░░░░ part of Yarvin Like ░░░░░░░░ s like You d ░░░░░░░░ everybody who s a ░░░░░░░░ supporter giving their phone ░░░░░░░░ to the Trump movement ░░░░░░░░ all they need to ░░░░░░░░ this app on their ░░░░░░░░ running with notification privileges ░░░░░░░░ says and so that ░░░░░░░░ could literally just control ░░░░░░░░ like little remote control ░░░░░░░░ and tell them where ░░░░░░░░ go when he s ░░░░░░░░ basically doing this coup ░░░░░░░░ democracy And Anton says ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ from this text so ░░░░░░░░ can hear this Anton ░░░░░░░░ When the opposing regime ░░░░░░░░ all the cops and ░░░░░░░░ justice system and everything ░░░░░░░░ they roust and arrest ░░░░░░░░ people as they have ░░░░░░░░ doing with zeal over ░░░░░░░░ 6 how does this ░░░░░░░░ You know how do ░░░░░░░░ succeed anywhere Yarvin says ░░░░░░░░ on January 6 you ░░░░░░░░ 20 000 people If ░░░░░░░░ had 2 million people ░░░░░░░░ their goal had been ░░░░░░░░ support the president if ░░░░░░░░ had what the libs ░░░░░░░░ January 6 was and ░░░░░░░░ sort of says Or ░░░░░░░░ say they thought it ░░░░░░░░ blah blah blah Yarvin ░░░░░░░░ is Yarvin responding he ░░░░░░░░ I don t like ░░░░░░░░ talk about this much ░░░░░░░░ I have to get ░░░░░░░░ animated but let s ░░░░░░░░ what it would have ░░░░░░░░ in a country like ░░░░░░░░ Egypt imagine January 6 ░░░░░░░░ a country like Egypt ░░░░░░░░ says Yeah Yarvin says ░░░░░░░░ it would have meant ░░░░░░░░ a country like Egypt ░░░░░░░░ that instead of 20 ░░░░░░░░ people in one place ░░░░░░░░ had 20 million across ░░░░░░░░ whole country You have ░░░░░░░░ complete human barricade around ░░░░░░░░ federal building and you ░░░░░░░░ saying support the lawful ░░░░░░░░ of this new lawful ░░░░░░░░ And furthermore that Trump ░░░░░░░░ doesn t just extend ░░░░░░░░ civilians Obviously there are ░░░░░░░░ forces police officers who ░░░░░░░░ Trumpians they might put ░░░░░░░░ a special armband on ░░░░░░░░ day The thing is ░░░░░░░░ are always like The ░░░░░░░░ and soldiers are pro ░░░░░░░░ but those people don ░░░░░░░░ act as individuals they ░░░░░░░░ orders So essentially you ░░░░░░░░ to be willing to ░░░░░░░░ When we have this ░░░░░░░░ change we have a ░░░░░░░░ of temporary uncertainty which ░░░░░░░░ to be resolved in ░░░░░░░░ extremely peaceful way What ░░░░░░░░ means is a state ░░░░░░░░ emergency in the White ░░░░░░░░ It means the president ░░░░░░░░ basically taking direct control ░░░░░░░░ all law enforcement authorities ░░░░░░░░ state of emergency in ░░░░░░░░ every state Not only ░░░░░░░░ you federalizing The National ░░░░░░░░ and turning it out ░░░░░░░░ federal orders you have ░░░░░░░░ resource in addition to ░░░░░░░░ resources of your vast ░░░░░░░░ network You re basically ░░░░░░░░ Caesar using all the ░░░░░░░░ available to you And ░░░░░░░░ s what you have ░░░░░░░░ do SITMAN Oh my ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL And Anton ░░░░░░░░ All this comes down ░░░░░░░░ you think that this ░░░░░░░░ of forces would be ░░░░░░░░ to overcome the power ░░░░░░░░ of the regime And ░░░░░░░░ says Yes The thing ░░░░░░░░ we re not talking ░░░░░░░░ anything that is out ░░░░░░░░ the picture of either ░░░░░░░░ legal or political history ░░░░░░░░ s insane and arguable ░░░░░░░░ Anton says that but ░░░░░░░░ so the listeners can ░░░░░░░░ this like all this ░░░░░░░░ conservatives are saying Obviously ░░░░░░░░ s not a coup ░░░░░░░░ like we re not ░░░░░░░░ Trump wasn t trying ░░░░░░░░ like illegally take over ░░░░░░░░ country and replace our ░░░░░░░░ government with a new ░░░░░░░░ of government Then you ░░░░░░░░ Michael Anton former Trump ░░░░░░░░ on the podcast of ░░░░░░░░ Claremont Institute the home ░░░░░░░░ basically the highest brow ░░░░░░░░ Trump populism talking to ░░░░░░░░ actual monarchist who believes ░░░░░░░░ installing a new American ░░░░░░░░ in the style of ░░░░░░░░ saying Here s how ░░░░░░░░ could have done January ░░░░░░░░ right And Anton is ░░░░░░░░ there you know just ░░░░░░░░ him and having a ░░░░░░░░ time It s an ░░░░░░░░ idea Maybe that would ░░░░░░░░ worked SITMAN It s ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah it ░░░░░░░░ amazing And talk about ░░░░░░░░ logic like on the ░░░░░░░░ hand it was just ░░░░░░░░ peaceful protest on the ░░░░░░░░ hand it was an ░░░░░░░░ job by the FBI ░░░░░░░░ the other hand if ░░░░░░░░ had done it right ░░░░░░░░ actually could have won ░░░░░░░░ Yes And Sam as ░░░░░░░░ pointed out Moldbug is ░░░░░░░░ he he s you ░░░░░░░░ like there are reports ░░░░░░░░ you know dinners that ░░░░░░░░ Peter Thiel would hold ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ this guy s like ░░░░░░░░ one level you can ░░░░░░░░ he s like a ░░░░░░░░ with this blog who ░░░░░░░░ a certain kind of ░░░░░░░░ but kind of like ░░░░░░░░ a niche way right ░░░░░░░░ on the other hand ░░░░░░░░ has access to people ░░░░░░░░ have access to Trump ░░░░░░░░ BELL Yeah SITMAN Like ░░░░░░░░ degrees of separation are ░░░░░░░░ that far And as ░░░░░░░░ re saying he s ░░░░░░░░ on this podcast hosted ░░░░░░░░ a former Trump administration ░░░░░░░░ who is one of ░░░░░░░░ more significant intellectuals in ░░░░░░░░ Claremont circles ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN So what do ░░░░░░░░ make of that ADLER ░░░░░░░░ I mean I hope ░░░░░░░░ the listeners jaws on ░░░░░░░░ ground Like I honestly ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Mine is I ░░░░░░░░ trying to figure out ░░░░░░░░ to say The part ░░░░░░░░ the kind of it ░░░░░░░░ both like kind of ░░░░░░░░ but also scarily plausible ░░░░░░░░ imagine an app like ░░░░░░░░ right Like it s ░░░░░░░░ total I mean it ░░░░░░░░ crazy but it also ░░░░░░░░ I m not saying ░░░░░░░░ would work but it ░░░░░░░░ just I don t ░░░░░░░░ it s not that ░░░░░░░░ of the realm I ░░░░░░░░ the scenario seems unlikely ░░░░░░░░ course but you know ░░░░░░░░ just was wondering how ░░░░░░░░ was going to play ░░░░░░░░ practically or like what ░░░░░░░░ suggestions he had And ░░░░░░░░ was not expecting that ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah it ░░░░░░░░ really fascinating Anton says ░░░░░░░░ it s an app ░░░░░░░░ recreate Sons of Liberty ░░░░░░░░ quote unquote protest And ░░░░░░░░ later on Yarvin says ░░░░░░░░ Yarvin says like Well ░░░░░░░░ s totally there are ░░░░░░░░ for this in American ░░░░░░░░ and Anton says What ░░░░░░░░ you mean Like I ░░░░░░░░ t really see how ░░░░░░░░ says Have I ever ░░░░░░░░ you to the Wikipedia ░░░░░░░░ for the Wide Awakes ░░░░░░░░ is Laughter So Yarvin ░░░░░░░░ saying Lincoln had a ░░░░░░░░ militia He says My ░░░░░░░░ brain breaking historical Wikipedia ░░░░░░░░ the idea that Lincoln ░░░░░░░░ his own basically S ░░░░░░░░ or Proud Boys or ░░░░░░░░ you want to call ░░░░░░░░ it s been completely ░░░░░░░░ out of history I ░░░░░░░░ it s too much ░░░░░░░░ get into the Wide ░░░░░░░░ but you know these ░░░░░░░░ like radical abolitionists who ░░░░░░░░ like hard core destructive ░░░░░░░░ to demand the abolition ░░░░░░░░ slavery You can see ░░░░░░░░ it s pretty nasty ░░░░░░░░ insane to suggest that ░░░░░░░░ Trump supporters trying to ░░░░░░░░ him as the like ░░░░░░░░ nationalist God of America ░░░░░░░░ be equivalent in his ░░░░░░░░ to the Wide Awakes ░░░░░░░░ the thing is like ░░░░░░░░ what s notable about ░░░░░░░░ the plausibility is hard ░░░░░░░░ assess but I think ░░░░░░░░ like the fact is ░░░░░░░░ like so many people ░░░░░░░░ the right and some ░░░░░░░░ our comrades on the ░░░░░░░░ are like Nobody was ░░░░░░░░ really thinking about doing ░░░░░░░░ seriously you know like ░░░░░░░░ a coup actually creating ░░░░░░░░ dictatorship actually suspending the ░░░░░░░░ democratic order But of ░░░░░░░░ Curtis Yarvin was thinking ░░░░░░░░ it cause that s ░░░░░░░░ he thinks about And ░░░░░░░░ s friends with Michael ░░░░░░░░ who worked in the ░░░░░░░░ administration And Michael Anton ░░░░░░░░ connected to the like ░░░░░░░░ Trump think tank which ░░░░░░░░ literally trying to see ░░░░░░░░ generation of intellectuals who ░░░░░░░░ bought into their project ░░░░░░░░ the next SITMAN Yes ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL the next ░░░░░░░░ or the next Trump ░░░░░░░░ administration to be filled ░░░░░░░░ people who are true ░░░░░░░░ in this project I ░░░░░░░░ I just think like ░░░░░░░░ would be naive to ░░░░░░░░ that this kind of ░░░░░░░░ is totally beyond the ░░░░░░░░ of possibility and certainly ░░░░░░░░ s the case that ░░░░░░░░ who insists on the ░░░░░░░░ that like January 6th ░░░░░░░░ t have been or ░░░░░░░░ not thought of by ░░░░░░░░ in the conservative movement ░░░░░░░░ a legitimate ploy to ░░░░░░░░ the regime to steal ░░░░░░░░ legitimacy not that it ░░░░░░░░ a plausible outcome of ░░░░░░░░ was actually happening but ░░░░░░░░ those are the terms ░░░░░░░░ which certain people in ░░░░░░░░ conservative movement might at ░░░░░░░░ in retrospect have been ░░░░░░░░ about it that s ░░░░░░░░ It s clear It ░░░░░░░░ on the I read ░░░░░░░░ to you You can ░░░░░░░░ to the podcast SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL It s ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN And you know ░░░░░░░░ one of the things ░░░░░░░░ was thinking of as ░░░░░░░░ were you know unspooling ░░░░░░░░ possible plan for Caesarism ░░░░░░░░ the way it s ░░░░░░░░ interesting because Caesarism just ░░░░░░░░ I said that word ░░░░░░░░ was thinking back to ░░░░░░░░ debates about Lincoln you ░░░░░░░░ that we ve covered ░░░░░░░░ the show ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ know SITMAN and how ░░░░░░░░ was the charge against ░░░░░░░░ So it s ADLER ░░░░░░░░ Well and Yarvin derives ░░░░░░░░ for his legitimacy for ░░░░░░░░ project from what Lincoln ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Yes yes it ░░░░░░░░ just going to ADLER ░░░░░░░░ And FDR second term ░░░░░░░░ s the other thing ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Oh interesting ADLER ░░░░░░░░ God we got it ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN Yes But where ░░░░░░░░ going with this is ░░░░░░░░ know I can say ░░░░░░░░ someone who was deeply ░░░░░░░░ involved in the conservative ░░░░░░░░ movement in my youth ░░░░░░░░ youth that this kind ░░░░░░░░ thing I never heard ░░░░░░░░ like this ever from ░░░░░░░░ one And you know ░░░░░░░░ was at the Heritage ░░░░░░░░ I did you know ░░░░░░░░ retreats with ISI and ░░░░░░░░ Fund I was on ░░░░░░░░ podcast I recorded an ░░░░░░░░ of another podcast I ░░░░░░░░ a guest on this ░░░░░░░░ earlier and I pointed ░░░░░░░░ that like Charles Kesler ░░░░░░░░ for a long time ░░░░░░░░ the Claremont Review of ░░░░░░░░ I had a beer ░░░░░░░░ him once I knew ░░░░░░░░ people I spoke to ░░░░░░░░ I was in seminars ░░░░░░░░ were like off the ░░░░░░░░ No one ever was ░░░░░░░░ like Q plans or ░░░░░░░░ like this ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN And to me ░░░░░░░░ is so dangerous is ░░░░░░░░ simply simply having that ░░░░░░░░ with Yarvin on that ░░░░░░░░ given who the host ░░░░░░░░ and who sponsors it ░░░░░░░░ all that that is ░░░░░░░░ kind of escalation of ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yes I ░░░░░░░░ so SITMAN And a ░░░░░░░░ marker of the shift ░░░░░░░░ the intellectual climate on ░░░░░░░░ right ADLER BELL Yeah ░░░░░░░░ Now of course of ░░░░░░░░ for a long time ░░░░░░░░ ve shown the deep ░░░░░░░░ democratic roots on the ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ it really does seem ░░░░░░░░ and I think I ░░░░░░░░ this at the time ░░░░░░░░ does not exonerate at ░░░░░░░░ of course anyone in ░░░░░░░░ 50s and 60s say ░░░░░░░░ for the National Review ░░░░░░░░ opposed desegregation and that ░░░░░░░░ of thing But it ░░░░░░░░ feel like a slightly ░░░░░░░░ contained argument they are ░░░░░░░░ They don t want ░░░░░░░░ people to vote they ░░░░░░░░ t want the racial ░░░░░░░░ upset in a very ░░░░░░░░ way meaning they oppose ░░░░░░░░ and other government programs ░░░░░░░░ desegregation and more plausibly ░░░░░░░░ civil rights right This ░░░░░░░░ like coup talk how ░░░░░░░░ could install a Caesar ░░░░░░░░ The kind of explicitness ░░░░░░░░ frequency of these kind ░░░░░░░░ discussions on the right ░░░░░░░░ the way now they ░░░░░░░░ just part of the ░░░░░░░░ we all breathe to ░░░░░░░░ is itself genuinely alarming ░░░░░░░░ in in a bad ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah Well ░░░░░░░░ mean you know the ░░░░░░░░ I think about it ░░░░░░░░ that those obviously there ░░░░░░░░ a discontinuity in the ░░░░░░░░ of what anti democratic ░░░░░░░░ are justified to achieve ░░░░░░░░ kind of conservative end ░░░░░░░░ of course like this ░░░░░░░░ is entertained because we ░░░░░░░░ actually closer in some ░░░░░░░░ than we ever have ░░░░░░░░ to actual multiracial democracy ░░░░░░░░ back then you could ░░░░░░░░ say like Let s ░░░░░░░░ support this or that ░░░░░░░░ of legislation to make ░░░░░░░░ country more democratic Those ░░░░░░░░ pass things progress in ░░░░░░░░ certain direction and you ░░░░░░░░ even though it s ░░░░░░░░ insufficient From these people ░░░░░░░░ perspective white people are ░░░░░░░░ danger of not being ░░░░░░░░ majority and this kind ░░░░░░░░ like racial egalitarian thinking ░░░░░░░░ they call wokeness or ░░░░░░░░ call Critical Race Theory ░░░░░░░░ they call it That ░░░░░░░░ the thing that needs ░░░░░░░░ be like unrooted from ░░░░░░░░ regime and it s ░░░░░░░░ same impulse It s ░░░░░░░░ We don t want ░░░░░░░░ racial democracy We didn ░░░░░░░░ want it then we ░░░░░░░░ t want it now ░░░░░░░░ the actual March of ░░░░░░░░ know like this makes ░░░░░░░░ sound like a little ░░░░░░░░ sanguine about the progress ░░░░░░░░ like it s true ░░░░░░░░ racial progress has gotten ░░░░░░░░ a point where these ░░░░░░░░ they overstate it because ░░░░░░░░ re catastrophists by nature ░░░░░░░░ they think that we ░░░░░░░░ at the doorstep of ░░░░░░░░ end of white hegemony ░░░░░░░░ so what is needed ░░░░░░░░ extra parliamentary violence plus ░░░░░░░░ constitutional suspension of democratic ░░░░░░░░ and legislative attacks on ░░░░░░░░ rights We have to ░░░░░░░░ everything at the wall ░░░░░░░░ like we re on ░░░░░░░░ precipice of the end ░░░░░░░░ Yes yes And I ░░░░░░░░ just remind listeners that ░░░░░░░░ the argument we made ░░░░░░░░ the fascism episode or ░░░░░░░░ very close to which ░░░░░░░░ as you were getting ░░░░░░░░ the anti democratic racial ░░░░░░░░ of the right in ░░░░░░░░ the 50s and 60s ░░░░░░░░ meant something more discreet ░░░░░░░░ You opposed desegregation or ░░░░░░░░ opposed this piece of ░░░░░░░░ rights legislation ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN But now as ░░░░░░░░ I m tracking what ░░░░░░░░ re saying it s ░░░░░░░░ things have progressed enough ░░░░░░░░ especially the election of ░░░░░░░░ black president Barack Obama ░░░░░░░░ think the reason the ░░░░░░░░ of scale and frequency ░░░░░░░░ in depth in certain ░░░░░░░░ of the right s ░░░░░░░░ turn against democracy or ░░░░░░░░ latest phase of it ░░░░░░░░ precisely what you re ░░░░░░░░ at It s like ░░░░░░░░ whole regime feels like ░░░░░░░░ s slipping away from ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah that ░░░░░░░░ what they think They ░░░░░░░░ it already has SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ yes and so the ░░░░░░░░ needed to combat it ░░░░░░░░ more extreme too As ░░░░░░░░ kind of extremity of ░░░░░░░░ peril as they identify ░░░░░░░░ grows so does the ░░░░░░░░ and kind of radicalness ░░░░░░░░ possible responses to it ░░░░░░░░ BELL Yeah that s ░░░░░░░░ it seems like to ░░░░░░░░ Well with that said ░░░░░░░░ Well that s not ░░░░░░░░ very happy note to ░░░░░░░░ on but you know ░░░░░░░░ BELL It happens SITMAN ░░░░░░░░ happens We re not ░░░░░░░░ end on some other ░░░░░░░░ just for the hell ░░░░░░░░ it ADLER BELL Yeah ░░░░░░░░ By the way I ░░░░░░░░ don t feel the ░░░░░░░░ to end with some ░░░░░░░░ tidy summary of our ░░░░░░░░ on 1 6 I ░░░░░░░░ like they ve kind ░░░░░░░░ come out in the ░░░░░░░░ as we discussed all ░░░░░░░░ and ADLER BELL It ░░░░░░░░ a complicated thing And ░░░░░░░░ I mean I think ░░░░░░░░ have given the listeners ░░░░░░░░ than enough to chew ░░░░░░░░ and hopefully something that ░░░░░░░░ haven t heard everywhere ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN That s right ░░░░░░░░ thanks Sam ADLER BELL ░░░░░░░░ you SITMAN This was ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL Yeah very ░░░░░░░░ SITMAN And thank you ░░░░░░░░ We will see you ░░░░░░░░ ADLER BELL See you ░░░░░░░░ bye.”

SITMAN: “Bye-bye.”