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In Combative Exchange with Sen. Rand Paul, Fauci Defends NIH Funding Wuhan Virology Lab, Insists No Money Went Toward Covid19 (clip)
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Name: Anthony Fauci
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Paul Dr Fauci we ░░░░░░░░ t know whether the ░░░░░░░░ started in a lab ░░░░░░░░ Wuhan or evolved naturally ░░░░░░░░ we should want to ░░░░░░░░ 3 million have died ░░░░░░░░ this pandemic and that ░░░░░░░░ cause us to explore ░░░░░░░░ possibilities Instead government authorities ░░░░░░░░ interested in continuing gain ░░░░░░░░ function research say there ░░░░░░░░ nothing to see here ░░░░░░░░ of function research as ░░░░░░░░ know is juicing up ░░░░░░░░ occurring animal viruses to ░░░░░░░░ humans To arrive at ░░░░░░░░ truth the U S ░░░░░░░░ should admit that the ░░░░░░░░ Virology Institute was experimenting ░░░░░░░░ enhance the Coronavirus s ░░░░░░░░ to infect humans Juicing ░░░░░░░░ super viruses is not ░░░░░░░░ Scientists in the U ░░░░░░░░ have long known how ░░░░░░░░ mutate animal viruses to ░░░░░░░░ humans For years Dr ░░░░░░░░ Baric a virologist in ░░░░░░░░ U S has been ░░░░░░░░ with Dr Shi Zhengli ░░░░░░░░ the Wuhan Virology Institute ░░░░░░░░ his discoveries about how ░░░░░░░░ create super viruses This ░░░░░░░░ of function research has ░░░░░░░░ funded by the NIH ░░░░░░░░ collaboration between the U ░░░░░░░░ and the Wuhan Virology ░░░░░░░░ continues Doctors Baric and ░░░░░░░░ worked together to insert ░░░░░░░░ virus Spike protein into ░░░░░░░░ backbone of the deadly ░░░░░░░░ virus and then used ░░░░░░░░ manmade super virus to ░░░░░░░░ human airway cells Think ░░░░░░░░ that for a moment ░░░░░░░░ SARS virus had a ░░░░░░░░ mortality We are fighting ░░░░░░░░ pandemic that has about ░░░░░░░░ 1 mortality Can you ░░░░░░░░ if a SARS virus ░░░░░░░░ has been juiced up ░░░░░░░░ had viral proteins added ░░░░░░░░ it to the Spike ░░░░░░░░ if that were released ░░░░░░░░ Dr Fauci do you ░░░░░░░░ support funding of the ░░░░░░░░ funding of the lab ░░░░░░░░ Wuhan Fauci Senator Paul ░░░░░░░░ all due respect you ░░░░░░░░ entirely and completely incorrect ░░░░░░░░ the NIH has not ░░░░░░░░ and does not now ░░░░░░░░ gain of function research ░░░░░░░░ that institute Paul Do ░░░░░░░░ fund Dr Baric Fauci ░░░░░░░░ do not fund gain ░░░░░░░░ Do you fund Dr ░░░░░░░░ s gain of function ░░░░░░░░ Fauci Dr Baric does ░░░░░░░░ do a gain of ░░░░░░░░ research And if it ░░░░░░░░ it s according to ░░░░░░░░ guidelines and it is ░░░░░░░░ conducted in North Carolina ░░░░░░░░ Paul You do not ░░░░░░░░ inserting a bat virus ░░░░░░░░ protein that he got ░░░░░░░░ the Wuhan Institute into ░░░░░░░░ SARS virus s gain ░░░░░░░░ function Fauci That is ░░░░░░░░ Paul You would be ░░░░░░░░ the minority because at ░░░░░░░░ 200 scientists have signed ░░░░░░░░ statement from the Cambridge ░░░░░░░░ Group saying that it ░░░░░░░░ gain of function Fauci ░░░░░░░░ it is not And ░░░░░░░░ you look at the ░░░░░░░░ and the progress reports ░░░░░░░░ is not gain of ░░░░░░░░ despite the fact that ░░░░░░░░ tweet that write about ░░░░░░░░ Paul So do you ░░░░░░░░ support sending money to ░░░░░░░░ Wuhan Virology Institute Fauci ░░░░░░░░ do not send money ░░░░░░░░ to the Wuhan Virology ░░░░░░░░ Do you support sending ░░░░░░░░ We did under your ░░░░░░░░ we were sending it ░░░░░░░░ EcoHealth it was a ░░░░░░░░ and a subgrant Do ░░░░░░░░ support that the money ░░░░░░░░ NIH that was going ░░░░░░░░ the Wuhan Institute Fauci ░░░░░░░░ me explain to you ░░░░░░░░ that was done The ░░░░░░░░ CoV 1 originated in ░░░░░░░░ in China It would ░░░░░░░░ been irresponsible of us ░░░░░░░░ we did not investigate ░░░░░░░░ bat viruses and the ░░░░░░░░ to see who might ░░░░░░░░ been infected Paul Or ░░░░░░░░ it was possible to ░░░░░░░░ it to the Chinese ░░░░░░░░ that we may not ░░░░░░░░ able to trust with ░░░░░░░░ knowledge and with this ░░░░░░░░ dangerous viruses Government scientists ░░░░░░░░ yourself who favor gain ░░░░░░░░ function research Fauci I ░░░░░░░░ not favor gain of ░░░░░░░░ research in China You ░░░░░░░░ saying things that are ░░░░░░░░ correct Paul Government defenders ░░░░░░░░ gain of function such ░░░░░░░░ yourself say that Covid ░░░░░░░░ mutations were random and ░░░░░░░░ designed by man But ░░░░░░░░ the technique that Dr ░░░░░░░░ developed forces mutations by ░░░░░░░░ passage through cell culture ░░░░░░░░ the mutations appear to ░░░░░░░░ natural In fact Dr ░░░░░░░░ named the technique the ░░░░░░░░ see um technique because ░░░░░░░░ mutations appear naturally Nicholas ░░░░░░░░ of The New York ░░░░░░░░ said Nobody would know ░░░░░░░░ the virus had been ░░░░░░░░ in a laboratory or ░░░░░░░░ in nature Government authorities ░░░░░░░░ the U S including ░░░░░░░░ unequivocally denied that Covid ░░░░░░░░ could have escaped the ░░░░░░░░ But even Dr Shi ░░░░░░░░ Wuhan was not so ░░░░░░░░ According to Nicholas Baker ░░░░░░░░ Shi wondered could this ░░░░░░░░ virus have come from ░░░░░░░░ own laboratory She checked ░░░░░░░░ records frantically and found ░░░░░░░░ matches That really took ░░░░░░░░ load off my mind ░░░░░░░░ said I had not ░░░░░░░░ for days The director ░░░░░░░░ the gain of function ░░░░░░░░ in Wuhan could not ░░░░░░░░ because she was terrified ░░░░░░░░ it might be in ░░░░░░░░ lab Dr 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Nature here and ░░░░░░░░ are allowing super viruses ░░░░░░░░ be created with a ░░░░░░░░ mortality It s very ░░░░░░░░ and it was a ░░░░░░░░ mistake to share this ░░░░░░░░ China and it s ░░░░░░░░ huge mistake to allow ░░░░░░░░ to continue in the ░░░░░░░░ States We should be ░░░░░░░░ careful to investigate where ░░░░░░░░ virus came from Fauci ░░░░░░░░ fully agree that you ░░░░░░░░ investigate where the virus ░░░░░░░░ from but again we ░░░░░░░░ not funded gain of ░░░░░░░░ research on this virus ░░░░░░░░ the Wuhan Institute of ░░░░░░░░ Paul You are parsing ░░░░░░░░ You are parsing words ░░░░░░░░ No matter how many ░░░░░░░░ you say it Paul ░░░░░░░░ was research there was ░░░░░░░░ done with Dr Shi ░░░░░░░░ Dr Baric they have ░░░░░░░░ on gain of function ░░░░░░░░ where they enhanced the ░░░░░░░░ virus to infect human ░░░░░░░░ cells and they did ░░░░░░░░ by merging a new ░░░░░░░░ protein on it That ░░░░░░░░ gain of function That ░░░░░░░░ joint research between the ░░░░░░░░ Institute and Dr Baric ░░░░░░░░ can t deny it ░░░░░░░░ Senator Paul your time ░░░░░░░░ expired I will let ░░░░░░░░ respond to that but ░░░░░░░░ need to move on ░░░░░░░░ Excuse me UNKNOWN I ░░░░░░░░ allow you to respond ░░░░░░░░ that and then we ░░░░░░░░ move on Fauci Yeah ░░░░░░░░ mean I just wanted ░░░░░░░░ say I don t ░░░░░░░░ how many times I ░░░░░░░░ say it Madam Chair ░░░░░░░░ did not fund gain ░░░░░░░░ function research to be ░░░░░░░░ in the Wuhan Institute ░░░░░░░░ Virology.”
UNKNOWN: “Thank you.”
UNKNOWN: “Thank you.”
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