RUSH TRANSCRIPT Neck restraint ░░░░░░░░ s start there with ░░░░░░░░ Baker s testimony Paul ░░░░░░░░ joins us an MSNBC ░░░░░░░░ analyst and the author ░░░░░░░░ Choke hold policing back ░░░░░░░░ and Katie fang and ░░░░░░░░ contributor and a former ░░░░░░░░ S Attorney from Minnesota ░░░░░░░░ to have all of ░░░░░░░░ with us Before we ░░░░░░░░ in let me just ░░░░░░░░ that part of what ░░░░░░░░ re going to do ░░░░░░░░ is go in fairly ░░░░░░░░ detail through the medical ░░░░░░░░ sir rounding George Floyd ░░░░░░░░ death I know that ░░░░░░░░ find it hard to ░░░░░░░░ his death in detail ░░░░░░░░ bare in mind it ░░░░░░░░ t get graphic but ░░░░░░░░ s intensely detailed and ░░░░░░░░ be hard to hear ░░░░░░░░ with that said professor ░░░░░░░░ I wonder if those ░░░░░░░░ factored into the prosecution ░░░░░░░░ case the way they ░░░░░░░░ I think so Joshua ░░░░░░░░ autopsy does not use ░░░░░░░░ word asphyxia but so ░░░░░░░░ all of the medical ░░░░░░░░ except for the medical ░░░░░░░░ Dr Baker have said ░░░░░░░░ So the defense has ░░░░░░░░ to exploit this and ░░░░░░░░ the jurors that if ░░░░░░░░ well qualified experts can ░░░░░░░░ agree on what killed ░░░░░░░░ Floyd that is reasonable ░░░░░░░░ and the problem for ░░░░░░░░ says Dr Baker s ░░░░░░░░ didn t give them ░░░░░░░░ to work with and ░░░░░░░░ reinforced what all the ░░░░░░░░ medical experts said but ░░░░░░░░ his encounter with chauvin ░░░░░░░░ Floyd would not have ░░░░░░░░ on that day in ░░░░░░░░ Let s listen to ░░░░░░░░ of the cross examination ░░░░░░░░ the medical examer In ░░░░░░░░ death investigation you are ░░░░░░░░ to cause the manner ░░░░░░░░ death correct Yes In ░░░░░░░░ particular case you obviously ░░░░░░░░ into consideration the police ░░░░░░░░ right Correct You also ░░░░░░░░ into consideration the heart ░░░░░░░░ correct Yes As well ░░░░░░░░ the toxicology results agreed ░░░░░░░░ And you factored in ░░░░░░░░ s the cause and ░░░░░░░░ of death and then ░░░░░░░░ s the second thing ░░░░░░░░ you left blank right ░░░░░░░░ then there s the ░░░░░░░░ causes or contributing factors ░░░░░░░░ The term of art ░░░░░░░░ other significant conditions what ░░░░░░░░ are getting at counselor ░░░░░░░░ that s something you ░░░░░░░░ to do for the ░░░░░░░░ or did you take ░░░░░░░░ into considerations as contributing ░░░░░░░░ Mr Floyd s cause ░░░░░░░░ death So when you ░░░░░░░░ those on a death ░░░░░░░░ as a physician what ░░░░░░░░ are saying is I ░░░░░░░░ these played some role ░░░░░░░░ the death they had ░░░░░░░░ contributing condition and I ░░░░░░░░ unaware of how the ░░░░░░░░ would mandate what is ░░░░░░░░ there If something was ░░░░░░░░ enough you put it ░░░░░░░░ and if it s ░░░░░░░░ and didn t contribute ░░░░░░░░ leave it off Generally ░░░░░░░░ So in your opinion ░░░░░░░░ the heart disease as ░░░░░░░░ as the history of ░░░░░░░░ and the drug the ░░░░░░░░ that were in his ░░░░░░░░ played a role in ░░░░░░░░ Floyd s death In ░░░░░░░░ opinion yes So that ░░░░░░░░ significant for the defense ░░░░░░░░ case they were able ░░░░░░░░ get the medical examiner ░░░░░░░░ point to other pre ░░░░░░░░ factors besides Derek chauvin ░░░░░░░░ actions contributed to sphroeud ░░░░░░░░ Floyd s death There ░░░░░░░░ two critical points to ░░░░░░░░ one the autopsy doctor ░░░░░░░░ in his report and ░░░░░░░░ the stand that he ░░░░░░░░ classify this as a ░░░░░░░░ He did not walk ░░░░░░░░ from that Whatever pre ░░░░░░░░ health conditions existed they ░░░░░░░░ not a substantial cause ░░░░░░░░ Mr Floyd s death ░░░░░░░░ Secondly he reiterated that ░░░░░░░░ was the police subdual ░░░░░░░░ neck compression that caused ░░░░░░░░ s death and when ░░░░░░░░ defense attorney tried to ░░░░░░░░ him back on that ░░░░░░░░ he promised he would ░░░░░░░░ in his opening statement ░░░░░░░░ Baker stood firm and ░░░░░░░░ the police were responsible ░░░░░░░░ Mr Floyd s death ░░░░░░░░ assertion echoed by every ░░░░░░░░ expert from whom we ░░░░░░░░ heard during this trial ░░░░░░░░ far The professor makes ░░░░░░░░ valid point and let ░░░░░░░░ listen to when Dr ░░░░░░░░ explains that in terms ░░░░░░░░ this being a homicide ░░░░░░░░ s what I put ░░░░░░░░ the death certificate last ░░░░░░░░ and and that was ░░░░░░░░ top line then and ░░░░░░░░ stay my top line ░░░░░░░░ In terms of manner ░░░░░░░░ death you found then ░░░░░░░░ do you stand by ░░░░░░░░ that the manner of ░░░░░░░░ of Mr Floyd was ░░░░░░░░ you would call it ░░░░░░░░ Yes I would still ░░░░░░░░ it as a homicide ░░░░░░░░ How do you see ░░░░░░░░ net affect of all ░░░░░░░░ this Dr Baker reiterating ░░░░░░░░ confidence this was a ░░░░░░░░ even with all the ░░░░░░░░ factors Well Joshua we ░░░░░░░░ early on that the ░░░░░░░░ was going to rely ░░░░░░░░ Dr Baker and his ░░░░░░░░ to buttress their argument ░░░░░░░░ this was not the ░░░░░░░░ of Derek chauvin there ░░░░░░░░ the jury could not ░░░░░░░░ find Derek chauvin guilty ░░░░░░░░ the crimes for which ░░░░░░░░ has been charged but ░░░░░░░░ Dr Baker standing his ░░░░░░░░ and telling chauvin s ░░░░░░░░ counsel this was homicide ░░░░░░░░ he also explained what ░░░░░░░░ had on the death ░░░░░░░░ He had the word ░░░░░░░░ Joshua made it confusing ░░░░░░░░ a lot of people ░░░░░░░░ the he said in ░░░░░░░░ setting of meaning George ░░░░░░░░ died as a result ░░░░░░░░ cardiopulmonary arrest complicated by ░░░░░░░░ chauvin and what he ░░░░░░░░ that day Dr Baker ░░░░░░░░ and assisted the prosecution ░░░░░░░░ the fact that the ░░░░░░░░ instruction that the jury ░░░░░░░░ going to receive and ░░░░░░░░ explanation of the causation ░░░░░░░░ word to cause is ░░░░░░░░ in the jury instructions ░░░░░░░░ to be a substantial ░░░░░░░░ factor in the death ░░░░░░░░ the victim which is ░░░░░░░░ Floyd It doesn t ░░░░░░░░ to be the only ░░░░░░░░ It doesn t have ░░░░░░░░ be the primary factor ░░░░░░░░ we heardderek chauvin s ░░░░░░░░ George Floyd would be ░░░░░░░░ today Before we cause ░░░░░░░░ the defense s purposes ░░░░░░░░ didn t is to ░░░░░░░░ that Derek chauvin did ░░░░░░░░ kill George Floyd they ░░░░░░░░ to produce enough doubt ░░░░░░░░ avoid the jury it ░░░░░░░░ just about introducing reasonable ░░░░░░░░ at this point or ░░░░░░░░ to right Yeah and ░░░░░░░░ s a really important ░░░░░░░░ The burden of proof ░░░░░░░░ on the prosecution to ░░░░░░░░ all the elements of ░░░░░░░░ crime for which Derek ░░░░░░░░ is being charged beyond ░░░░░░░░ to the exclusion of ░░░░░░░░ reasonable doubt You know ░░░░░░░░ it only takes one ░░░░░░░░ to hold out to ░░░░░░░░ able to result in ░░░░░░░░ mistrial or hung jury ░░░░░░░░ That s important The ░░░░░░░░ always has the burden ░░░░░░░░ it s not on ░░░░░░░░ defense to have to ░░░░░░░░ anything in this case ░░░░░░░░ re off to a ░░░░░░░░ start I want to ░░░░░░░░ more about the