Sacha Baron Cohen: ‘Ethical’ to Entrap Giuliani Because ‘There Was a Deeply Unethical Gov’t in Power’

GROSS This is Fresh ░░░░░░░░ My guest is Sasha ░░░░░░░░ Cohen He s nominated ░░░░░░░░ three Golden Globes for ░░░░░░░░ two latest movies The ░░░░░░░░ of the Chicago 7 ░░░░░░░░ the new Borat sequel ░░░░░░░░ Subsequent Movie Film In ░░░░░░░░ sequel he returns to ░░░░░░░░ as Borat a fictional ░░░░░░░░ who interacts with real ░░░░░░░░ who have no idea ░░░░░░░░ character isn t real ░░░░░░░░ this way he s ░░░░░░░░ to get people to ░░░░░░░░ themselves and their beliefs ░░░░░░░░ are often racist anti ░░░░░░░░ and homophobic Do you ░░░░░░░░ feel like what you ░░░░░░░░ doing is in an ░░░░░░░░ gray area by telling ░░░░░░░░ one thing that isn ░░░░░░░░ true by basically lying ░░░░░░░░ who you are and ░░░░░░░░ you re doing and ░░░░░░░░ you re there Like ░░░░░░░░ how my impression of ░░░░░░░░ that you re a ░░░░░░░░ moral person So what ░░░░░░░░ your compass in figuring ░░░░░░░░ how to handle situations ░░░░░░░░ that and what is ░░░░░░░░ and what is unjustified ░░░░░░░░ I mean you know ░░░░░░░░ those are the discussions ░░░░░░░░ we have in the ░░░░░░░░ room continuously you know ░░░░░░░░ this ethical what s ░░░░░░░░ purpose of this scene ░░░░░░░░ it just to be ░░░░░░░░ is there some satire ░░░░░░░░ that satire worth it ░░░░░░░░ know and when you ░░░░░░░░ doing stuff like a ░░░░░░░░ rally and you re ░░░░░░░░ you could get shot ░░░░░░░░ morally it s very ░░░░░░░░ Or if you are ░░░░░░░░ one of Trump s ░░░░░░░░ circle whose who later ░░░░░░░░ know whose sole aim ░░░░░░░░ to undermine the legitimacy ░░░░░░░░ the election then yeah ░░░░░░░░ s moral I mean ░░░░░░░░ at what Rudy did ░░░░░░░░ Borat coming out He ░░░░░░░░ this big lie that ░░░░░░░░ had won the election ░░░░░░░░ that lie is so ░░░░░░░░ and so misleading that ░░░░░░░░ lead to the attack ░░░░░░░░ the Capitol I mean ░░░░░░░░ it s and it ░░░░░░░░ t ended You know ░░░░░░░░ the morality of seeing ░░░░░░░░ Rudy would react when ░░░░░░░░ was alone in a ░░░░░░░░ with an attractive young ░░░░░░░░ I think that morality ░░░░░░░░ pretty clear I think ░░░░░░░░ s evidence of the ░░░░░░░░ that was trumpeted by ░░░░░░░░ president and was was ░░░░░░░░ a badge of honor ░░░░░░░░ his inner circle You ░░░░░░░░ what we did with ░░░░░░░░ was crucial I mean ░░░░░░░░ made the movie to ░░░░░░░░ an impact on the ░░░░░░░░ The movie came out ░░░░░░░░ couple of hours before ░░░░░░░░ final presidential debate On ░░░░░░░░ day Rudy Giuliani was ░░░░░░░░ charge of undermining President ░░░░░░░░ by that point he ░░░░░░░░ not President Biden with ░░░░░░░░ hard drive of material ░░░░░░░░ was supposedly showing that ░░░░░░░░ was part of the ░░░░░░░░ family So yes our ░░░░░░░░ came out on that ░░░░░░░░ and instead of Rudy ░░░░░░░░ the president the new ░░░░░░░░ he was on the ░░░░░░░░ foot explaining why he ░░░░░░░░ his hand down his ░░░░░░░░ So ethically I can ░░░░░░░░ by that all day ░░░░░░░░ Is the movie as ░░░░░░░░ whole ethical Yes You ░░░░░░░░ we did it because ░░░░░░░░ was a deeply unethical ░░░░░░░░ in power and there ░░░░░░░░ no question as to ░░░░░░░░ had to do what ░░░░░░░░ could to inspire people ░░░░░░░░ vote and remind people ░░░░░░░░ the immorality of the ░░░░░░░░ prior to the election ░░░░░░░░ think compared to anything ░░░░░░░░ ve ever done before ░░░░░░░░ you know I ve ░░░░░░░░ doing this for 22 ░░░░░░░░ I have no doubt ░░░░░░░░ the morality of this ░░░░░░░░ I m very proud ░░░░░░░░ it.”