RUSH TRANSCRIPT Bloomberg news ░░░░░░░░ Trump is having trouble ░░░░░░░░ a defense team for ░░░░░░░░ Senate trial Apparently because ░░░░░░░░ lot of lawyers would ░░░░░░░░ to find work when ░░░░░░░░ is over Lawyers who ░░░░░░░░ him in the previous ░░░░░░░░ trial including Jay Sekulow ░░░░░░░░ House counsel Pat Cipollone ░░░░░░░░ said no this time ░░░░░░░░ of the lawyers who ░░░░░░░░ t want a role ░░░░░░░░ privately said what Trump ░░░░░░░░ was indefensible They go ░░░░░░░░ to add A number ░░░░░░░░ prominent law firms have ░░░░░░░░ to engage in any ░░░░░░░░ representation Bloomberg also reporting ░░░░░░░░ plans to fly to ░░░░░░░░ a Lago before Biden ░░░░░░░░ inauguration naturally and that ░░░░░░░░ current White House staff ░░░░░░░░ work for him or ░░░░░░░░ son in law Jared ░░░░░░░░ the presidency Bloomberg says ░░░░░░░░ will live at his ░░░░░░░░ despite a local 1993 ░░░░░░░░ with Palm Beach barring ░░░░░░░░ from making it his ░░░░░░░░ residence It s a ░░░░░░░░ With that let s ░░░░░░░░ in our leadoff guests ░░░░░░░░ Thursday night Returning veterans ░░░░░░░░ Jonathan Lemire White House ░░░░░░░░ with the Associated Press ░░░░░░░░ goldback she s an ░░░░░░░░ in malicious online behavior ░░░░░░░░ in demand these days ░░░░░░░░ happens to be an ░░░░░░░░ and professor at the ░░░░░░░░ of Maryland college of ░░░░░░░░ studies And norm Eisen ░░░░░░░░ to serving as special ░░░░░░░░ to the house Judiciary ░░░░░░░░ during impeachment he was ░░░░░░░░ nation s ambassador to ░░░░░░░░ Czech Republic ethics lawyer ░░░░░░░░ the Obama White House ░░░░░░░░ latest book is A ░░░░░░░░ for the American people ░░░░░░░░ United States V Donald ░░░░░░░░ Trump Jonathan Lemire we ░░░░░░░░ to begin with you ░░░░░░░░ your beat Number one ░░░░░░░░ you hearing any talk ░░░░░░░░ moving this inauguration indoors ░░░░░░░░ is precedent for it ░░░░░░░░ you hearing any talk ░░░░░░░░ this president ever forming ░░░░░░░░ words of concession to ░░░░░░░░ Biden ever admitting that ░░░░░░░░ lost a democratic election ░░░░░░░░ and square First on ░░░░░░░░ President Elect Brian at ░░░░░░░░ point no he and ░░░░░░░░ team still want to ░░░░░░░░ the traditional outdoor west ░░░░░░░░ of the Capitol inauguration ░░░░░░░░ say Traditional We all ░░░░░░░░ it s going to ░░░░░░░░ very different this year ░░░░░░░░ of the Covid 19 ░░░░░░░░ but they still want ░░░░░░░░ basics to look the ░░░░░░░░ They don t want ░░░░░░░░ to appear any different ░░░░░░░░ don t want to ░░░░░░░░ seen bowing to the ░░░░░░░░ of let s call ░░░░░░░░ what it is domestic ░░░░░░░░ Of course we are ░░░░░░░░ six days away There ░░░░░░░░ time for that to ░░░░░░░░ With the cancelation of ░░░░░░░░ security for security reasons ░░░░░░░░ the rehearsal on Sunday ░░░░░░░░ know the President Elect ░░░░░░░░ already scrapped plans to ░░░░░░░░ down from Delaware on ░░░░░░░░ beloved amtrak So this ░░░░░░░░ certainly something they are ░░░░░░░░ with To this point ░░░░░░░░ re still trying to ░░░░░░░░ forward In terms of ░░░░░░░░ current president no I ░░░░░░░░ t think so What ░░░░░░░░ heard last week was ░░░░░░░░ close to a concession ░░░░░░░░ we re going to ░░░░░░░░ The video message he ░░░░░░░░ out yesterday was aimed ░░░░░░░░ more at trying to ░░░░░░░░ off potential litigation being ░░░░░░░░ cases if he is ░░░░░░░░ found responsible for inciting ░░░░░░░░ riot at the Capitol ░░░░░░░░ week He was encouraged ░░░░░░░░ staffers and lawyers to ░░░░░░░░ that statement and his ░░░░░░░░ concern is his immediate ░░░░░░░░ He s deeply frustrated ░░░░░░░░ not have his Twitter ░░░░░░░░ or his fund raising ░░░░░░░░ He s afraid his ░░░░░░░░ over his party is ░░░░░░░░ We saw 10 Republicans ░░░░░░░░ yesterday and vote of ░░░░░░░░ for impeachment He s ░░░░░░░░ about his ability to ░░░░░░░░ relevant to even whether ░░░░░░░░ runs in 2024 or ░░░░░░░░ he wants to at ░░░░░░░░ be talked about as ░░░░░░░░ favorite to be a ░░░░░░░░ kingmaker in part so ░░░░░░░░ can make money along ░░░░░░░░ way The president has ░░░░░░░░ financial concerns He s ░░░░░░░░ about that as well ░░░░░░░░ t expect a gracious ░░░░░░░░ to Joe Biden here ░░░░░░░░ the next few days ░░░░░░░░ in fact expect this ░░░░░░░░ to skip town before ░░░░░░░░ new president starts heading ░░░░░░░░ way up to the ░░░░░░░░ to be sworn in ░░░░░░░░ back over to you ░░░░░░░░ at the risk of ░░░░░░░░ here s more of ░░░░░░░░ Politico reporting all of ░░░░░░░░ you already know At ░░░░░░░░ of these extremists continued ░░░░░░░░ is a key observation ░░░░░░░░ still has not acknowledged ░░░░░░░░ the election was legitimate ░░░░░░░░ admitted his defeat to ░░░░░░░░ and by not doing ░░░░░░░░ the outgoing president is ░░░░░░░░ as giving tacit approval ░░░░░░░░ his followers plans to ░░░░░░░░ war against the political ░░░░░░░░ The defense lawyer for ░░░░░░░░ guy the chewbacca mankini ░░░░░░░░ the horns and six ░░░░░░░░ spear said tonight you ░░░░░░░░ my client just he ░░░░░░░░ every word Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ and it made me ░░░░░░░░ of you and it ░░░░░░░░ me think that the ░░░░░░░░ you track as part ░░░░░░░░ your life s work ░░░░░░░░ one thing in common ░░░░░░░░ were lied to and ░░░░░░░░ to for years Absolutely ░░░░░░░░ go into the Trump ░░░░░░░░ now whether it s ░░░░░░░░ Donald whether it s ░░░░░░░░ 4chan 8chan telegram all ░░░░░░░░ places they retreated to ░░░░░░░░ their mainstream platforms have ░░░░░░░░ taken away and there ░░░░░░░░ no sign there of ░░░░░░░░ really understanding the truth ░░░░░░░░ what happened They absolutely ░░░░░░░░ this election was stolen ░░░░░░░░ are going through every ░░░░░░░░ that Trump has said ░░░░░░░░ one of the leading ░░░░░░░░ points is that he ░░░░░░░░ not conceded and so ░░░░░░░░ when he comes out ░░░░░░░░ says these things that ░░░░░░░░ to placate them that ░░░░░░░░ to sound a little ░░░░░░░░ normal for what we ░░░░░░░░ expect from a transition ░░░░░░░░ ignore all of that ░░░░░░░░ they recognize he hasn ░░░░░░░░ conceded this and a ░░░░░░░░ of them are still ░░░░░░░░ buying into this qanon ░░░░░░░░ They see these thousands ░░░░░░░░ troops in D C ░░░░░░░░ think that they re ░░░░░░░░ there to arrest all ░░░░░░░░ Congress for running an ░░░░░░░░ child sex trafficking ring ░░░░░░░░ that maybe that storm ░░░░░░░░ coming in the next ░░░░░░░░ They re not at ░░░░░░░░ understanding that they were ░░░░░░░░ to They may be ░░░░░░░░ that they re not ░░░░░░░░ to win and that ░░░░░░░░ won t remain in ░░░░░░░░ presidency though it kind ░░░░░░░░ goes both ways but ░░░░░░░░ certainly they have bought ░░░░░░░░ these lies and the ░░░░░░░░ realization they re coming ░░░░░░░░ is that they may ░░░░░░░░ really screwed up their ░░░░░░░░ their relationships and their ░░░░░░░░ by putting a lot ░░░░░░░░ the line for the ░░░░░░░░ and it s not ░░░░░░░░ delivered Well let me ░░░░░░░░ you a follow up ░░░░░░░░ is it a case ░░░░░░░░ even the question I ░░░░░░░░ Jonathan if we got ░░░░░░░░ sitting president to mouth ░░░░░░░░ words that he concedes ░░░░░░░░ he lost the election ░░░░░░░░ and square is this ░░░░░░░░ already beyond that Is ░░░░░░░░ going to do enough ░░░░░░░░ tamp down the stuff ░░░░░░░░ read for a living ░░░░░░░░ the web I think ░░░░░░░░ would take us to ░░░░░░░░ point where we don ░░░░░░░░ have to worry quite ░░░░░░░░ much about violence in ░░░░░░░░ lead up up to ░░░░░░░░ There s definitely a ░░░░░░░░ of chaos in this ░░░░░░░░ about what action if ░░░░░░░░ people are going to ░░░░░░░░ There s a lot ░░░░░░░░ paranoia about if they ░░░░░░░░ show up to any ░░░░░░░░ because they might be ░░░░░░░░ But there s still ░░░░░░░░ talking about violence If ░░░░░░░░ concedes and says don ░░░░░░░░ do anything Biden is ░░░░░░░░ next president congratulates him ░░░░░░░░ his win I can ░░░░░░░░ imagine that happening but ░░░░░░░░ he did that I ░░░░░░░░ that would give us ░░░░░░░░ clear week or so ░░░░░░░░ I think the MAGA ░░░░░░░░ is going to continue ░░░░░░░░ Trump s out of ░░░░░░░░ And if he gets ░░░░░░░░ a platform whether he ░░░░░░░░ to build his own ░░░░░░░░ find some social media ░░░░░░░░ that will attract his ░░░░░░░░ I can t imagine ░░░░░░░░ he won t continue ░░░░░░░░ them on as he ░░░░░░░░ been and they ll ░░░░░░░░ feeding into his ego ░░░░░░░░ what he wants to ░░░░░░░░ So I see that ░░░░░░░░ going on well past ░░░░░░░░ day Well norm Eisen ░░░░░░░░ this brings us to ░░░░░░░░ Nation turns its lonely ░░░░░░░░ to the sole lawyer ░░░░░░░░ this panel and I ░░░░░░░░ a number of questions ░░░░░░░░ one the Founders left ░░░░░░░░ no instructions on how ░░░░░░░░ try in the Senate ░░░░░░░░ president impeached for inciting ░░░░░░░░ I heard you theorize ░░░░░░░░ think it was last ░░░░░░░░ while we re used ░░░░░░░░ having the chief justice ░░░░░░░░ over the last trial ░░░░░░░░ s no instructions for ░░░░░░░░ and it could be ░░░░░░░░ senior democratic senator pat ░░░░░░░░ Here s a second ░░░░░░░░ Is there any possibility ░░░░░░░░ someone would approach the ░░░░░░░░ and say want to ░░░░░░░░ a trial Sign this ░░░░░░░░ takes away your power ░░░░░░░░ ever run again Brian ░░░░░░░░ for having me back ░░░░░░░░ the program And in ░░░░░░░░ of the logistics of ░░░░░░░░ impeachment trial you re ░░░░░░░░ There are a number ░░░░░░░░ unanswered questions I will ░░░░░░░░ by saying that I ░░░░░░░░ the Founders of our ░░░░░░░░ and the framers of ░░░░░░░░ Constitution left us very ░░░░░░░░ instructions that a president ░░░░░░░░ launches a violent attack ░░░░░░░░ the professor was so ░░░░░░░░ he s been building ░░░░░░░░ the energy for the ░░░░░░░░ for months with these ░░░░░░░░ claims that that is ░░░░░░░░ conduct So there s ░░░░░░░░ question I think on ░░░░░░░░ law or on the ░░░░░░░░ There are questions on ░░░░░░░░ mechanics of it the ░░░░░░░░ says that an impeachment ░░░░░░░░ a president shall be ░░░░░░░░ over by the chief ░░░░░░░░ It doesn t make ░░░░░░░░ whether that encompasses ex ░░░░░░░░ so scholars are debating ░░░░░░░░ There will need to ░░░░░░░░ a parliamentary ruling The ░░░░░░░░ may be that the ░░░░░░░░ justice presides or it ░░░░░░░░ revert to the vice ░░░░░░░░ the incoming vice president ░░░░░░░░ her role as the ░░░░░░░░ of the Senate the ░░░░░░░░ officer or as you ░░░░░░░░ to the most senior ░░░░░░░░ who we call the ░░░░░░░░ protem of the Senate ░░░░░░░░ the Democrat the will ░░░░░░░░ in control Pat Leahy ░░░░░░░░ we have an array ░░░░░░░░ those logistics questions here ░░░░░░░░ the one thing that ░░░░░░░░ matter the most is ░░░░░░░░ it s a unique ░░░░░░░░ Brian as you know ░░░░░░░░ we ve talked about ░░░░░░░░ previous impeachment and we ░░░░░░░░ talked about the possibility ░░░░░░░░ this one It s ░░░░░░░░ legal matter that is ░░░░░░░░ a political one and ░░░░░░░░ big question is will ░░░░░░░░ or so Republicans find ░░░░░░░░ courage in their hearts ░░░░░░░░ those 10 Republicans did ░░░░░░░░ join impeachment in the ░░░░░░░░ and move to convict ░░░░░░░░ disqualify the president I ░░░░░░░░ t think he s ░░░░░░░░ to get any paper ░░░░░░░░ the kind And I ░░░░░░░░ t thing he would ░░░░░░░░ an agreement to go ░░░░░░░░ but they can sign ░░░░░░░░ paper permanently disqualifying him ░░░░░░░░ they convict him under ░░░░░░░░ Constitution Norm do you ░░░░░░░░ there s a realization ░░░░░░░░ among what we used ░░░░░░░░ call moderate Republicans that ░░░░░░░░ is their Trump offramp ░░░░░░░░ they don t want ░░░░░░░░ be a party beholden ░░░░░░░░ him and his followers ░░░░░░░░ They all knew it ░░░░░░░░ knew it in the ░░░░░░░░ impeachment Brian I would ░░░░░░░░ with them off the ░░░░░░░░ in the back halls ░░░░░░░░ that had been a ░░░░░░░░ ballot I think we ░░░░░░░░ have handily hit the ░░░░░░░░ vote threshold in the ░░░░░░░░ impeachment This is their ░░░░░░░░ of truth It s ░░░░░░░░ re scared because of ░░░░░░░░ political risk of the ░░░░░░░░ mob but also the ░░░░░░░░ risk to individuals from ░░░░░░░░ domestic Trump terrorists But ░░░░░░░░ face their moment of ░░░░░░░░ Washington Jefferson and Adams ░░░░░░░░ it Lincoln faced it ░░░░░░░░ and Churchill All the ░░░░░░░░ we admire and revere ░░░░░░░░ is their chance to ░░░░░░░░ heroes And now we ░░░░░░░░ have a trial not ░░░░░░░░ law not of facts ░░░░░░░░ There will be law ░░░░░░░░ facts We will have ░░░░░░░░ trial of courage Professor ░░░░░░░░ one to you and ░░░░░░░░ Lemire I m headed ░░░░░░░░ to you Professor do ░░░░░░░░ when you listen to ░░░░░░░░ FBI director talking judging ░░░░░░░░ what you re reading ░░░░░░░░ the feds got this ░░░░░░░░ I am guessing anxious ░░░░░░░░ of our audience would ░░░░░░░░ to know this thing ░░░░░░░░ going to be defended ░░░░░░░░ the colossal whiff on ░░░░░░░░ 6th Yeah it seeems ░░░░░░░░ they re looking in ░░░░░░░░ right places I m ░░░░░░░░ O people in the ░░░░░░░░ They re monitoring the ░░░░░░░░ kinds of forums that ░░░░░░░░ It s hard to ░░░░░░░░ out what s going ░░░░░░░░ happen at this point ░░░░░░░░ we look at Sunday ░░░░░░░░ example the 17th there ░░░░░░░░ a long planned armed ░░░░░░░░ government rally from well ░░░░░░░░ the election that s ░░░░░░░░ pro Trump that was ░░░░░░░░ to take place in ░░░░░░░░ the state capitols in ░░░░░░░░ C Those organizers are ░░░░░░░░ upset the Trump people ░░░░░░░░ kind of co opted ░░░░░░░░ rally and now planning ░░░░░░░░ show up and potentially ░░░░░░░░ violence but because the ░░░░░░░░ has been deplatformed he ░░░░░░░░ t been able to ░░░░░░░░ those clear directives that ░░░░░░░░ followers really want and ░░░░░░░░ there s a lot ░░░░░░░░ chaos in those communities ░░░░░░░░ think the FBI state ░░░░░░░░ enforcement everywhere is looking ░░░░░░░░ everything they can find ░░░░░░░░ taking it seriously this ░░░░░░░░ and sort of coming ░░░░░░░░ assuming all the threats ░░░░░░░░ see are things that ░░░░░░░░ could come into play ░░░░░░░░ that makes me feel ░░░░░░░░ but in terms of ░░░░░░░░ actually is going to ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ supporters really know At ░░░░░░░░ point they re figuring ░░░░░░░░ out and hopefully law ░░░░░░░░ comes prepared even if ░░░░░░░░ s a few that ░░░░░░░░ to take some action ░░░░░░░░ Lemire the interviews with ░░░░░░░░ police officers who got ░░░░░░░░ up in it came ░░░░░░░░ death in the melee ░░░░░░░░ bracing One of them ░░░░░░░░ he thought about saying ░░░░░░░░ the rioters I got ░░░░░░░░ after they realized they ░░░░░░░░ getting his gun Another ░░░░░░░░ assumed they were going ░░░░░░░░ start shooting the police ░░░░░░░░ their own weapons Obviously ░░░░░░░░ police officer was beaten ░░░░░░░░ death Trump was fond ░░░░░░░░ saying we love law ░░░░░░░░ and he would get ░░░░░░░░ for it at his ░░░░░░░░ Not going to allow ░░░░░░░░ any more from the ░░░░░░░░ crowd because there were ░░░░░░░░ in his name beating ░░░░░░░░ officers with the American ░░░░░░░░ Is that magnitude do ░░░░░░░░ think setting in if ░░░░░░░░ to the sitting president ░░░░░░░░ others in the West ░░░░░░░░ Brian the scenes of ░░░░░░░░ last Wednesday were so ░░░░░░░░ and you re right ░░░░░░░░ many police officers were ░░░░░░░░ victims of violence I ░░░░░░░░ there are questions about ░░░░░░░░ behavior of some of ░░░░░░░░ Capitol police but others ░░░░░░░░ showing real heroism and ░░░░░░░░ an extraordinary amount of ░░░░░░░░ That incident on last ░░░░░░░░ add bad as it ░░░░░░░░ could have been so ░░░░░░░░ worse if it weren ░░░░░░░░ for a few wrong ░░░░░░░░ by the rioters if ░░░░░░░░ weren t for a ░░░░░░░░ acts of heroism by ░░░░░░░░ police officers It s ░░░░░░░░ just that In terms ░░░░░░░░ the MAGA crowd Republicans ░░░░░░░░ they re the party ░░░░░░░░ law enforcement We ve ░░░░░░░░ this week at the ░░░░░░░░ as they ve installed ░░░░░░░░ metal detecters outside the ░░░░░░░░ floor a number of ░░░░░░░░ congressmen blowing through there ░░░░░░░░ through even shoving police ░░░░░░░░ aside because they didn ░░░░░░░░ want to have to ░░░░░░░░ to that search didn ░░░░░░░░ want to submit to ░░░░░░░░ through that detector Mind ░░░░░░░░ taking their frustrations out ░░░░░░░░ a capitol police force ░░░░░░░░ had just gone through ░░░░░░░░ much the week before ░░░░░░░░ metal detecters being put ░░░░░░░░ place because some of ░░░░░░░░ Democrats are afraid whose ░░░░░░░░ those Republicans would be ░░░░░░░░ if there were another ░░░░░░░░ and of coursd you ░░░░░░░░ Republicans also exposed those ░░░░░░░░ to Covid This was ░░░░░░░░ real dark moment for ░░░░░░░░ party in a very ░░░░░░░░ one in terms of ░░░░░░░░ their priorities really are ░░░░░░░░ got that right For ░░░░░░░░ closing quote Jonathan professor ░░░░░░░░ can t thank you ░░░░░░░░ for joining us this ░░░░░░░░ night and starting us ░░░░░░░░ Coming up for us ░░░░░░░░ Biden