Fmr. McKinsey Exec: China’s ‘Harsh’ Lockdown Policies Was What They Needed To Do

RUSH TRANSCRIPT Mr Walker ░░░░░░░░ you so much for ░░░░░░░░ on I want to ░░░░░░░░ with the pandemic because ░░░░░░░░ s what we were ░░░░░░░░ about in the first ░░░░░░░░ And I m telling ░░░░░░░░ I m quoting you ░░░░░░░░ We were praising China ░░░░░░░░ response and I said ░░░░░░░░ people look back at ░░░░░░░░ was done with the ░░░░░░░░ of the quarantine in ░░░░░░░░ they are going to ░░░░░░░░ high praise Credible reports ░░░░░░░░ that Chinese authorities locked ░░░░░░░░ in their apartments and ░░░░░░░░ them to die We ░░░░░░░░ they snatched people off ░░░░░░░░ street and threw them ░░░░░░░░ police vans and that ░░░░░░░░ where they went That ░░░░░░░░ a quarantine that you ░░░░░░░░ they deserve high praise ░░░░░░░░ Why I think Tucker ░░░░░░░░ you just look at ░░░░░░░░ results there will always ░░░░░░░░ questions about what the ░░░░░░░░ are but I think ░░░░░░░░ harsh action that they ░░░░░░░░ given the scale of ░░░░░░░░ and a number of ░░░░░░░░ cities was exactly what ░░░░░░░░ needed to do to ░░░░░░░░ able to prevent the ░░░░░░░░ from going any further ░░░░░░░░ reality is that outbreak ░░░░░░░░ t gone much beyond ░░░░░░░░ Their lack of disclosure ░░░░░░░░ lack of transparency they ░░░░░░░░ be faulted for that ░░░░░░░░ accountable for that Tucker ░░░░░░░░ What would you say ░░░░░░░░ the families of those ░░░░░░░░ died starve to death ░░░░░░░░ in their apartments are ░░░░░░░░ wondering where their relatives ░░░░░░░░ after they were bundled ░░░░░░░░ Chinese police vans How ░░░░░░░░ you square their grief ░░░░░░░░ the praise that you ░░░░░░░░ heaped on the quarantine ░░░░░░░░ the end of the ░░░░░░░░ you just have to ░░░░░░░░ at the total picture ░░░░░░░░ s like when Cuomo ░░░░░░░░ on every night and ░░░░░░░░ gets on every night ░░░░░░░░ s heart goes out ░░░░░░░░ every individual that died ░░░░░░░░ that s part of ░░░░░░░░ suffering that comes with ░░░░░░░░ disease It s heartbreaking ░░░░░░░░ single one of them ░░░░░░░░ But they had to ░░░░░░░░ it otherwise if you ░░░░░░░░ imagine the scale of ░░░░░░░░ if that blew out ░░░░░░░░ large numbers to other ░░░░░░░░ the numbers will be ░░░░░░░░ the charts Tucker Wuhan ░░░░░░░░ it began is roughly ░░░░░░░░ size of the New ░░░░░░░░ metro area Given that ░░░░░░░░ are praising their response ░░░░░░░░ there anything you are ░░░░░░░░ into New York I ░░░░░░░░ we got a late ░░░░░░░░ In China got a ░░░░░░░░ start too But the ░░░░░░░░ S Got a late ░░░░░░░░ and was also more ░░░░░░░░ when it comes to ░░░░░░░░ the kind of people ░░░░░░░░ staff the health workers ░░░░░░░░ equipment that was required ░░░░░░░░ the ppe and all ░░░░░░░░ that Tucker For sure ░░░░░░░░ think that s right ░░░░░░░░ if we had started ░░░░░░░░ do you think it ░░░░░░░░ be wise to lock ░░░░░░░░ in apartments until they ░░░░░░░░ Look there are a ░░░░░░░░ of things about it ░░░░░░░░ I don t like ░░░░░░░░ those specific actions were ░░░░░░░░ think overly harsh insensitive ░░░░░░░░ China bears the brunt ░░░░░░░░ that they are accountable ░░░░░░░░ that and I totally ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Okay So you ░░░░░░░░ you don t like ░░░░░░░░ of the things China ░░░░░░░░ done I want to ░░░░░░░░ to something you said ░░░░░░░░ come this is from ░░░░░░░░ website that you do ░░░░░░░░ You are asked about ░░░░░░░░ uighurs I m sure ░░░░░░░░ ve been asked many ░░░░░░░░ Contrasting U S For ░░░░░░░░ you mentioned the weakness ░░░░░░░░ dramatic improvements in the ░░░░░░░░ quality of life and ░░░░░░░░ would include the last ░░░░░░░░ years including a sharp ░░░░░░░░ in Islamic terrorist incidents ░░░░░░░░ s what China got ░░░░░░░░ of putting in It ░░░░░░░░ like it was a ░░░░░░░░ trade off No I ░░░░░░░░ t I understand that ░░░░░░░░ the government s point ░░░░░░░░ view clamping down on ░░░░░░░░ terrorism was a high ░░░░░░░░ They are fanatics about ░░░░░░░░ Do I agree that ░░░░░░░░ down a million people ░░░░░░░░ an internment camp is ░░░░░░░░ smart way to deal ░░░░░░░░ Islamic terrorism Absolutely not ░░░░░░░░ Tucker May I ask ░░░░░░░░ would you note that ░░░░░░░░ literacy had increased I ░░░░░░░░ That s an important ░░░░░░░░ One of the things ░░░░░░░░ researching my book which ░░░░░░░░ very clear to me ░░░░░░░░ Chinese people I said ░░░░░░░░ have a lot of ░░░░░░░░ going why are you ░░░░░░░░ the things the way ░░░░░░░░ do One of the ░░░░░░░░ you discover about the ░░░░░░░░ society it s a ░░░░░░░░ society So very different ░░░░░░░░ the individualistic society of ░░░░░░░░ U S so in ░░░░░░░░ literally the way they ░░░░░░░░ look at it is ░░░░░░░░ were probably 80 million ░░░░░░░░ where they live We ░░░░░░░░ up 1 million and ░░░░░░░░ 79 million people are ░░░░░░░░ better off in terms ░░░░░░░░ the quality of life ░░░░░░░░ of living and everything ░░░░░░░░ It was only about ░░░░░░░░ 5 that we locked ░░░░░░░░ and that s how ░░░░░░░░ think about it Do ░░░░░░░░ agree with that No ░░░░░░░░ don t agree with ░░░░░░░░ That difference between collectivism ░░░░░░░░ common good is a ░░░░░░░░ disconnect with the U ░░░░░░░░ We regard and always ░░░░░░░░ been proud of every ░░░░░░░░ life is sacred and ░░░░░░░░ any unjustice or injustice ░░░░░░░░ something we ought to ░░░░░░░░ railing against and they ░░░░░░░░ just not wired that ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Sure Do you ░░░░░░░░ it s a genetic ░░░░░░░░ when you said they ░░░░░░░░ not wired that way ░░░░░░░░ it really goes back ░░░░░░░░ Confucian values I know ░░░░░░░░ s been a lot ░░░░░░░░ negative press on Confucian ░░░░░░░░ but if you just ░░░░░░░░ back to Confucian values ░░░░░░░░ of the things you ░░░░░░░░ learn his family first ░░░░░░░░ second Individual way down ░░░░░░░░ totem pole and the ░░░░░░░░ s role is self ░░░░░░░░ through education to better ░░░░░░░░ family and society So ░░░░░░░░ you talk to the ░░░░░░░░ about how is the ░░░░░░░░ doing they always go ░░░░░░░░ to the broad base ░░░░░░░░ maximum number of people ░░░░░░░░ of poverty and education ░░░░░░░░ I bet they do ░░░░░░░░ s a pretty handy ░░░░░░░░ to excuse putting a ░░░░░░░░ people in a concentration ░░░░░░░░ I wonder though and ░░░░░░░░ know this is hard ░░░░░░░░ is a problem in ░░░░░░░░ life it s hard ░░░░░░░░ hear myself sometimes when ░░░░░░░░ speak But listening to ░░░░░░░░ it sounds like a ░░░░░░░░ apology for fascist behavior ░░░░░░░░ let me go back ░░░░░░░░ what I said before ░░░░░░░░ I agree with putting ░░░░░░░░ million people in an ░░░░░░░░ camps absolutely not In ░░░░░░░░ U S Went through ░░░░░░░░ too Tucker Will actually ░░░░░░░░ let me ask you ░░░░░░░░ obvious question because I ░░░░░░░░ t think anyone would ░░░░░░░░ this for free How ░░░░░░░░ money have you made ░░░░░░░░ the course of your ░░░░░░░░ career with Mckenzie in ░░░░░░░░ just a rough estimate ░░░░░░░░ there it might be ░░░░░░░░ to understand Yeah look ░░░░░░░░ m not I probably ░░░░░░░░ a quarter of my ░░░░░░░░ in China over the ░░░░░░░░ of roughly a dozen ░░░░░░░░ something like that And ░░░░░░░░ you know Tucker I ░░░░░░░░ the point I m ░░░░░░░░