Fauci: ‘Unless We Get the Virus Under Control, the Real Recovery, Economically, Is Not Going to Happen’

RUSH TRANSCRIPT STEPHANOPULOS Let ░░░░░░░░ bring in Dr Anthony ░░░░░░░░ now for more on ░░░░░░░░ Dr Fauci thank you ░░░░░░░░ joining us again this ░░░░░░░░ We just heard what ░░░░░░░░ said about vice president ░░░░░░░░ but we heard from ░░░░░░░░ after governor yesterday including ░░░░░░░░ Hogan of Maryland your ░░░░░░░░ saying that the governors ░░░░░░░░ don t have what ░░░░░░░░ need now to do ░░░░░░░░ testing they need to ░░░░░░░░ FAUCI Yeah Well certainly ░░░░░░░░ can empathize with the ░░░░░░░░ and believe them What ░░░░░░░░ need to do is ░░░░░░░░ a better connectivity with ░░░░░░░░ tests that are available ░░░░░░░░ well as the capacity ░░░░░░░░ in some cases is ░░░░░░░░ used through no fault ░░░░░░░░ the governor or the ░░░░░░░░ people that there are ░░░░░░░░ should be between one ░░░░░░░░ a half to two ░░░░░░░░ million tests per week ░░░░░░░░ are people out there ░░░░░░░░ say we need more ░░░░░░░░ need maybe two or ░░░░░░░░ times that We re ░░░░░░░░ for that goal but ░░░░░░░░ the meantime with what ░░░░░░░░ have if it is ░░░░░░░░ strategically we feel we ░░░░░░░░ be able to have ░░░░░░░░ people enter into phase ░░░░░░░░ after they pass that ░░░░░░░░ day period We know ░░░░░░░░ s a problem and ░░░░░░░░ just mentioned there are ░░░░░░░░ that are obstacles in ░░░░░░░░ way that George we ░░░░░░░░ a partnership between the ░░░░░░░░ government and the local ░░░░░░░░ including the governors to ░░░░░░░░ them get to things ░░░░░░░░ they maybe not have ░░░░░░░░ access to So it ░░░░░░░░ does need yeah STEPHANOPULOS ░░░░░░░░ was just saying we ░░░░░░░░ there are some supply ░░░░░░░░ issues but you mentioned ░░░░░░░░ experts who believe we ░░░░░░░░ to be doing far ░░░░░░░░ There s a new ░░░░░░░░ out from Harvard this ░░░░░░░░ that says we re ░░░░░░░░ need to be doing ░░░░░░░░ 5 million tests a ░░░░░░░░ to 20 million tests ░░░░░░░░ re open as soon ░░░░░░░░ the summer We re ░░░░░░░░ doing about 150 000 ░░░░░░░░ a day right now ░░░░░░░░ Yeah We re doing ░░░░░░░░ one and a half ░░░░░░░░ two million per week ░░░░░░░░ need to get up ░░░░░░░░ at least maybe two ░░░░░░░░ that three times that ░░░░░░░░ we will as we ░░░░░░░░ into the coming weeks ░░░░░░░░ forward as regions states ░░░░░░░░ start to go from ░░░░░░░░ gate to the phase ░░░░░░░░ and then ultimately hopefully ░░░░░░░░ phase two and three ░░░░░░░░ we re certainly going ░░░░░░░░ need more I think ░░░░░░░░ issue George is that ░░░░░░░░ saying that the people ░░░░░░░░ there are not correct ░░░░░░░░ what they feel they ░░░░░░░░ because they do need ░░░░░░░░ baseline amount to do ░░░░░░░░ kind of testing that ░░░░░░░░ allow identification isolation and ░░░░░░░░ tracing If you talk ░░░░░░░░ tests for doing a ░░░░░░░░ of other things which ░░░░░░░░ are important but they ░░░░░░░░ not absolutely critical to ░░░░░░░░ to that situation where ░░░░░░░░ can identify isolate and ░░░░░░░░ trace there s got ░░░░░░░░ be a meeting of ░░░░░░░░ two There s got ░░░░░░░░ be more supply greater ░░░░░░░░ to untapped capacity which ░░░░░░░░ are and you know ░░░░░░░░ governors do say appropriately ░░░░░░░░ there s untapped capacity ░░░░░░░░ how do we get ░░░░░░░░ it So we ve ░░░░░░░░ got to help them ░░░░░░░░ get to it and ░░░░░░░░ s what s being ░░░░░░░░ right now to try ░░░░░░░░ make the connectivity between ░░░░░░░░ s unused capacity as ░░░░░░░░ as tests within that ░░░░░░░░ to help them We ░░░░░░░░ got to keep going ░░░░░░░░ s got to be ░░░░░░░░ together really in a ░░░░░░░░ STEPHANOPULOS Everyone is also ░░░░░░░░ about antibody tests We ░░░░░░░░ Governor Cuomo in new ░░░░░░░░ is expanding antibody tests ░░░░░░░░ we ve seen that ░░░░░░░░ as well but explain ░░░░░░░░ everyone at home what ░░░░░░░░ antibody tests can show ░░░░░░░░ what they can t ░░░░░░░░ FAUCI Yeah George thank ░░░░░░░░ for giving me the ░░░░░░░░ to address that because ░░░░░░░░ really is a lot ░░░░░░░░ misunderstanding about antibody tests ░░░░░░░░ tests do not say ░░░░░░░░ you have the virus ░░░░░░░░ It s saying whether ░░░░░░░░ were exposed infected and ░░░░░░░░ recovered from the infection ░░░░░░░░ it is is a ░░░░░░░░ of the proteins in ░░░░░░░░ body that respond to ░░░░░░░░ virus in question The ░░░░░░░░ is that these are ░░░░░░░░ that need to be ░░░░░░░░ and calibrated and many ░░░░░░░░ the tests out there ░░░░░░░░ t do that So ░░░░░░░░ though you hear about ░░░░░░░░ saying flooding the market ░░░░░░░░ these antibody tests a ░░░░░░░░ of them are not ░░░░░░░░ Point number one Point ░░░░░░░░ two that s important ░░░░░░░░ that we do not ░░░░░░░░ exactly what an antibody ░░░░░░░░ There s an assumption ░░░░░░░░ reasonable assumption that when ░░░░░░░░ have an antibody that ░░░░░░░░ are protected against reinfection ░░░░░░░░ that has not been ░░░░░░░░ for this particular virus ░░░░░░░░ think it s a ░░░░░░░░ assumption so you wouldn ░░░░░░░░ say that s an ░░░░░░░░ idea It isn t ░░░░░░░░ happens with other viruses ░░░░░░░░ we don t know ░░░░░░░░ long that protection if ░░░░░░░░ exists lasts Is it ░░░░░░░░ month three months six ░░░░░░░░ a year So the ░░░░░░░░ that with the tests ░░░░░░░░ are out there if ░░░░░░░░ have an antibody positivity ░░░░░░░░ re good to go ░░░░░░░░ that test has been ░░░░░░░░ and you can show ░░░░░░░░ s a correlation between ░░░░░░░░ antibody and protection it ░░░░░░░░ an assumption to say ░░░░░░░░ this is something that ░░░░░░░░ can work with We ░░░░░░░░ have a way to ░░░░░░░░ with them STEPHANOPULOS Finally ░░░░░░░░ we re seeing these ░░░░░░░░ crop up across the ░░░░░░░░ including protests in Texas ░░░░░░░░ other places where they ░░░░░░░░ saying fire Anthony Fauci ░░░░░░░░ is wrong They re ░░░░░░░░ these stay at home ░░░░░░░░ from governors What s ░░░░░░░░ message back to those ░░░░░░░░ FAUCI Yeah I mean ░░░░░░░░ think the message is ░░░░░░░░ clearly this is something ░░░░░░░░ is hurting from the ░░░░░░░░ of economics from the ░░░░░░░░ of things that have ░░░░░░░░ to do with the ░░░░░░░░ But unless we get ░░░░░░░░ virus under control the ░░░░░░░░ recovery economically is not ░░░░░░░░ to happen So what ░░░░░░░░ do if you jump ░░░░░░░░ gun and go into ░░░░░░░░ situation where you have ░░░░░░░░ big spike you re ░░░░░░░░ to set yourself back ░░░░░░░░ as painful as it ░░░░░░░░ to go by the ░░░░░░░░ guidelines of gradually phasing ░░░░░░░░ a re opening it ░░░░░░░░ going to backfire That ░░░░░░░░ the problem STEPHANOPULOS Dr ░░░░░░░░ thanks for your time ░░░░░░░░ this morning FAUCI Good ░░░░░░░░ see you George thank ░░░░░░░░