Jim Himes: Ukraine Texts ‘Read Like a Script for the Godfather’ and If True Are ‘Impeachable’

Let s bring in ░░░░░░░░ guest he heard what ░░░░░░░░ had to say Congressman ░░░░░░░░ night to have you ░░░░░░░░ thank you Hi Chris ░░░░░░░░ So what can you ░░░░░░░░ us that is of ░░░░░░░░ to the audience about ░░░░░░░░ you learned from the ░░░░░░░░ G today HIMES Well ░░░░░░░░ can t get into ░░░░░░░░ details of what we ░░░░░░░░ This was sort of ░░░░░░░░ follow up meeting because ░░░░░░░░ we heard from him ░░░░░░░░ the so called transcript ░░░░░░░░ not yet been released ░░░░░░░░ he wasn t able ░░░░░░░░ talk about the substance ░░░░░░░░ this All he would ░░░░░░░░ about was the process ░░░░░░░░ he followed Look what ░░░░░░░░ coming clear here is ░░░░░░░░ sort of chuckle watching ░░░░░░░░ Twitter feed as the ░░░░░░░░ attacks Adam Schiff over ░░░░░░░░ over and over again ░░░░░░░░ problem that the president ░░░░░░░░ of course is not ░░░░░░░░ Adam Schiff it s ░░░░░░░░ the people around him ░░░░░░░░ the whistle blower including ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ more than you do ░░░░░░░░ this possibility of a ░░░░░░░░ whistle blower but of ░░░░░░░░ there were leaks to ░░░░░░░░ the New York Times ░░░░░░░░ leaks to The Washington ░░░░░░░░ from people that were ░░░░░░░░ very close to the ░░░░░░░░ in the White House ░░░░░░░░ I m getting a ░░░░░░░░ from everything I know ░░░░░░░░ the national security apparatus ░░░░░░░░ foreign policy apparatus has ░░░░░░░░ said enough enough of ░░░░░░░░ corruption enough of the ░░░░░░░░ of American national security ░░░░░░░░ and yes to your ░░░░░░░░ question look those texts ░░░░░░░░ like a script for ░░░░░░░░ Godfather if I might ░░░░░░░░ the president of the ░░░░░░░░ States going to go ░░░░░░░░ some things So of ░░░░░░░░ this stuff is an ░░░░░░░░ abuse of power and ░░░░░░░░ of American resources and ░░░░░░░░ if it proves to ░░░░░░░░ true impeachable Volker on ░░░░░░░░ face of his testimony ░░░░░░░░ Yes Remember he resigned ░░░░░░░░ s lost his position ░░░░░░░░ the McCain institute Not ░░░░░░░░ man with an incentive ░░░░░░░░ lie for his boss ░░░░░░░░ And even if you ░░░░░░░░ t care about the ░░░░░░░░ testimony the texts that ░░░░░░░░ produced are just devastating ░░░░░░░░ again you know this ░░░░░░░░ a weird situation because ░░░░░░░░ re not I remember ░░░░░░░░ we were arguing over ░░░░░░░░ voracity of the Steele ░░░░░░░░ We re not arguing ░░░░░░░░ the facts Chris The ░░░░░░░░ are all out there ░░░░░░░░ of them admitted by ░░░░░░░░ president and from White ░░░░░░░░ documents released And you ░░░░░░░░ a new dirty dossier ░░░░░░░░ this one seems to ░░░░░░░░ been at least in ░░░░░░░░ supplied by Rudy Giuliani ░░░░░░░░ his own admission The ░░░░░░░░ is lost on no ░░░░░░░░ Let me ask you ░░░░░░░░ questions One thing that ░░░░░░░░ strange about Volker I ░░░░░░░░ your take on this ░░░░░░░░ says in his statement ░░░░░░░░ I was never about ░░░░░░░░ Biden thing I never ░░░░░░░░ Biden mentioned I wasn ░░░░░░░░ there for the call ░░░░░░░░ I wasn t about ░░░░░░░░ The texts tell a ░░░░░░░░ story It seemed to ░░░░░░░░ pretty clear that they ░░░░░░░░ what the deliver do ░░░░░░░░ believe this was a ░░░░░░░░ of a clean up ░░░░░░░░ him being there at ░░░░░░░░ I would point to ░░░░░░░░ one text which you ░░░░░░░░ seen that he texts ░░░░░░░░ the EU ambassador who ░░░░░░░░ a Trump appointee a ░░░░░░░░ supporter He texts training ░░░░░░░░ military aid I won ░░░░░░░░ get the words quite ░░░░░░░░ but for political purposes ░░░░░░░░ insane Something along those ░░░░░░░░ Can you pull it ░░░░░░░░ If he s not ░░░░░░░░ Biden he s thinking ░░░░░░░░ weird Ukrainian company Burisma ░░░░░░░░ ll put it up ░░░░░░░░ the audience congressman I ░░░░░░░░ it as Taylor the ░░░░░░░░ who replaced the woman ░░░░░░░░ was ambassador because Rudy ░░░░░░░░ others trash talked her ░░░░░░░░ the president Bill Taylor ░░░░░░░░ was replaced as ambassador ░░░░░░░░ is this what you ░░░░░░░░ referring to congressman that ░░░░░░░░ think it crazy to ░░░░░░░░ security assistance for help ░░░░░░░░ a political campaign and ░░░░░░░░ quiets him down That ░░░░░░░░ exactly right Here s ░░░░░░░░ other question for you ░░░░░░░░ What else do you ░░░░░░░░ or do you believe ░░░░░░░░ texts are enough for ░░░░░░░░ Himes for Connecticut to ░░░░░░░░ yes on articles of ░░░░░░░░ about this activity and ░░░░░░░░ what basis Well I ░░░░░░░░ t want to you ░░░░░░░░ we haven t seen ░░░░░░░░ articles we ve seen ░░░░░░░░ fact pattern here and ░░░░░░░░ s not a disputed ░░░░░░░░ pattern it s a ░░░░░░░░ ugly fact pattern There ░░░░░░░░ one piece Chris though ░░░░░░░░ we need to know ░░░░░░░░ about and I think ░░░░░░░░ ll learn more about ░░░░░░░░ week You had the ░░░░░░░░ withholding of 400 million ░░░░░░░░ military aid to a ░░░░░░░░ under attack by the ░░░░░░░░ You have the compromise ░░░░░░░░ the particularly classified server ░░░░░░░░ the White House I ░░░░░░░░ t know if that ░░░░░░░░ illegal or not It ░░░░░░░░ pretty ugly because it ░░░░░░░░ like a coverup The ░░░░░░░░ thing just to answer ░░░░░░░░ question here it looks ░░░░░░░░ an ambassador may have ░░░░░░░░ fired because she wasn ░░░░░░░░ going along with the ░░░░░░░░ and that s a ░░░░░░░░ of it that we ░░░░░░░░ to know a lot ░░░░░░░░ about And again if ░░░░░░░░ ambassador was fired because ░░░░░░░░ didn t go along ░░░░░░░░ what Rudy Giuliani wanted ░░░░░░░░ one that s appalling ░░░░░░░░ and of itself Number ░░░░░░░░ I m just back ░░░░░░░░ Pakistan where I spent ░░░░░░░░ or six days with ░░░░░░░░ State Department people who ░░░░░░░░ doing really really difficult ░░░░░░░░ If all over the ░░░░░░░░ you know in Korea ░░░░░░░░ Japan and Europe State ░░░░░░░░ diplomats are worried that ░░░░░░░░ they don t toe ░░░░░░░░ president s line or ░░░░░░░░ Giuliani s line their ░░░░░░░░ are at risk that ░░░░░░░░ a catastrophe for American ░░░░░░░░ policy and we need ░░░░░░░░ learn more about that ░░░░░░░░ pushback from the White ░░░░░░░░ will be she s ░░░░░░░░ there still working in ░░░░░░░░ State Department she was ░░░░░░░░ relieved from the ambassadorship ░░░░░░░░ point stands I is ░░░░░░░░ this because I think ░░░░░░░░ more people get a ░░░░░░░░ picture of what was ░░░░░░░░ the more they ll ░░░░░░░░ to know what the ░░░░░░░░ is go the consequence ░░░░░░░░ appreciate you being candid ░░░░░░░░ about it Thank you ░░░░░░░░ Thank you, Chris.