Tucker vs. Analyst: If Immigration Makes Us Richer, Why Are We Getting Poorer?

RUSH TRANSCRIPT Tucker Welcome ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Carlson Tonight tonight ░░░░░░░░ e talk to someone ░░░░░░░░ sounded the alarm that ░░░░░░░░ President Trump is aascist ░░░░░░░░ on causing nuclear armagagdon ░░░░░░░░ conservative professor will join ░░░░░░░░ he says his views ░░░░░░░░ being systematically suppressed O ░░░░░░░░ his campus not surprisingly ░░░░░░░░ Trump Administration amped up ░░░░░░░░ efforts today against illegal ░░░░░░░░ and a set of ░░░░░░░░ that S sstantially expandss ░░░░░░░░ numbers of illegal immigrants ░░░░░░░░ for deportation Advocates for ░░░░░░░░ immigrants say the rules ░░░░░░░░ blueprints for mass deportations ░░░░░░░░ one expxpt thinks the ░░░░░░░░ victim will be the ░░░░░░░░ economy Alex Derosa is ░░░░░░░░ the libertarian think tank ░░░░░░░░ a supporter of more ░░░░░░░░ he thanked joininust now ░░░░░░░░ think most Americans are ░░░░░░░░ for immigrants and immigration ░░░░░░░░ world dedeended from them ░░░░░░░░ the question is scale ░░░░░░░░ have about 14 of ░░░░░░░░ popupution currently out of ░░░░░░░░ million is foreign born ░░░░░░░░ s either at or ░░░░░░░░ a little below of ░░░░░░░░ horse toward high with ░░░░░░░░ a ton Of four ░░░░░░░░ as many foreign born ░░░░░░░░ as their order when ░░░░░░░░ was born in 1969 ░░░░░░░░ question becomes how many ░░░░░░░░ enough how many is ░░░░░░░░ M my What s ░░░░░░░░ ideal level of immigration ░░░░░░░░ think the ideal level ░░░░░░░░ determined by the market ░░░░░░░░ determined by the free ░░░░░░░░ much more than it ░░░░░░░░ determined by bureaucrats in ░░░░░░░░ D C Whwh we ░░░░░░░░ around thehe world in ░░░░░░░░ 28 Switzerland is over ░░░░░░░░ those countries have very ░░░░░░░░ governing economies very rich ░░░░░░░░ large rates of economic ░░░░░░░░ Whatever that magic number ░░░░░░░░ it it can t ░░░░░░░░ determined by the government ░░░░░░░░ it s probably higher ░░░░░░░░ it is today Carlson ░░░░░░░░ more immigration makes you ░░░░░░░░ come up why is ░░░░░░░░ American middle class getting ░░░░░░░░ NOWRASTEH We ve seen ░░░░░░░░ lot of the people ░░░░░░░░ the United States that ░░░░░░░░ suffering are those that ░░░░░░░░ not competing with immigrants ░░░░░░░░ It s really people ░░░░░░░░ are competing indirectly with ░░░░░░░░ that are doing poorly ░░░░░░░░ instance let me put ░░░░░░░░ this way There s ░░░░░░░░ been an economy in ░░░░░░░░ history that s done ░░░░░░░░ with fewer people Inreasing ░░░░░░░░ size of the labor ░░░░░░░░ increasing the number of ░░░░░░░░ who are entrepreneurs who ░░░░░░░░ investors who are scientists ░░░░░░░░ are consumers actually helps ░░░░░░░░ U S grow Carlson ░░░░░░░░ we re not importing ░░░░░░░░ coders and investors where ░░░░░░░░ people who happen to ░░░░░░░░ nearby who are taking ░░░░░░░░ the low end jobs ░░░░░░░░ that doesn t get ░░░░░░░░ the question You pointed ░░░░░░░░ Canada and Switzerland as ░░░░░░░░ of countries that have ░░░░░░░░ lot of immigrants and ░░░░░░░░ rich suggesting that there ░░░░░░░░ a connection So we ░░░░░░░░ way more immigrants we ░░░░░░░░ when I was born ░░░░░░░░ the middle class is ░░░░░░░░ and in fact dying ░░░░░░░░ but it s not ░░░░░░░░ for them Based on ░░░░░░░░ personal index E middle ░░░░░░░░ is wealthy if you ░░░░░░░░ a look at the ░░░░░░░░ percentile based on the ░░░░░░░░ The number one country ░░░░░░░░ immigrants to the U ░░░░░░░░ Today a a China ░░░░░░░░ India and of those ░░░░░░░░ higher skilled people Tucker ░░░░░░░░ by volume not by ░░░░░░░░ I numbers it says ░░░░░░░░ 2008 2009 Hispanic companies ░░░░░░░░ in the third tier ░░░░░░░░ the number of new ░░░░░░░░ We ve witnessed in ░░░░░░░░ essence the transformation this ░░░░░░░░ om Hispanic immigration to ░░░░░░░░ east and south Asian ░░░░░░░░ You still haven t ░░░░░░░░ to the core question ░░░░░░░░ is a real sense ░░░░░░░░ which the economy is ░░░░░░░░ working for the bulk ░░░░░░░░ Americans That s why ░░░░░░░░ got elected massive generation ░░░░░░░░ wealth at the top ░░░░░░░░ There is no dispute ░░░░░░░░ that I don t ░░░░░░░░ it s a coincidence ░░░░░░░░ s occurred at a ░░░░░░░░ that we have massive ░░░░░░░░ This level O O ░░░░░░░░ is good for people ░░░░░░░░ the top end bubu ░░░░░░░░ for the middldl We ░░░░░░░░ had more massive migration ░░░░░░░░ percentage of population in ░░░░░░░░ of annual flows in ░░░░░░░░ 1990s we had a ░░░░░░░░ greater and faster growowg ░░░░░░░░ than we did it ░░░░░░░░ 2000s The thing that ░░░░░░░░ hololng back the U ░░░░░░░░ economy today are high ░░░░░░░░ and regulation The flow ░░░░░░░░ immigrants into the country ░░░░░░░░ you can include illegal ░░░░░░░░ coming in annuallylys less ░░░░░░░░ that was before the ░░░░░░░░ recession Annually coming in ░░░░░░░░ as a result of ░░░░░░░░ it actually G gs ░░░░░░░░ favor of my points ░░░░░░░░ immigrants the faster the ░░░░░░░░ Tucker This is what ░░░░░░░░ hilariousbout libertarians very much ░░░░░░░░ the market as you ░░░░░░░░ Argue Tucucr Is not ░░░░░░░░ religion for me T ░░░░░░░░ I believe in supply ░░░░░░░░ demand libertarians except when ░░░░░░░░ comes to immigration They ░░░░░░░░ immigration low wage immigration ░░░░░░░░ no effect at wages ░░░░░░░░ the bottom end of ░░░░░░░░ economy but if you ░░░░░░░░ an overabundance of something ░░░░░░░░ s volume it s ░░░░░░░░ falls right But that ░░░░░░░░ not true for immigration ░░░░░░░░ market doesn t affect ░░░░░░░░ for American workers come ░░░░░░░░ course it does Immigrants ░░░░░░░░ of their people also ░░░░░░░░ demand when they come ░░░░░░░░ It s not just ░░░░░░░░ increase in supply it ░░░░░░░░ also an increase in ░░░░░░░░ because you have more ░░░░░░░░ buying things Tucker But ░░░░░░░░ means that the averagegeerson ░░░░░░░░ a college D dree ░░░░░░░░ L ls the whole ░░░░░░░░ of immigration it s ░░░░░░░░ source of cheap labor ░░░░░░░░ employers When you look ░░░░░░░░ the research from Harvard ░░░░░░░░ who is the most ░░░░░░░░ of the United States ░░░░░░░░ only saying the negative ░░░░░░░░ of immigrationon it s ░░░░░░░░ they re less than ░░░░░░░░ O O the population ░░░░░░░░ the other 90 of ░░░░░░░░ populatiti including those in ░░░░░░░░ middle class actually see ░░░░░░░░ increases Tucker If I ░░░░░░░░ competing with someone who ░░░░░░░░ willing to work for ░░░░░░░░ my wages go up ░░░░░░░░ re not competing against ░░░░░░░░ who speak no E ░░░░░░░░ in less than a ░░░░░░░░ school degree It in ░░░░░░░░ same sense you re ░░░░░░░░ going to be competing ░░░░░░░░ an illegal Mexican immigrant ░░░░░░░░ your J J because ░░░░░░░░ don t speak English ░░░░░░░░ They re going to ░░░░░░░░ mowing my lawn at ░░░░░░░░ my laundry T tt ░░░░░░░░ second concncn are you ░░░░░░░░ that the United States ░░░░░░░░ become a entry where ░░░░░░░░ the crabby work is ░░░░░░░░ done by foreigners Does ░░░░░░░░ exacerbate race tions How ░░░░░░░░ that good if we ░░░░░░░░ people to do our ░░░░░░░░ work does not increase ░░░░░░░░ dignity I don t ░░░░░░░░ that s any different ░░░░░░░░ it was in the ░░░░░░░░ 19th century Tucker Earlier ░░░░░░░░ century We had peoplpl ░░░░░░░░ come here and decided ░░░░░░░░ work and their kids ░░░░░░░░ better in their kids ░░░░░░░░ That s the part ░░░░░░░░ the story of the ░░░░░░░░ from the beginning that ░░░░░░░░ happening today with descendants ░░░░░░░░ Hispanic edit agents immigrants ░░░░░░░░ are adding to our ░░░░░░░░ working and proving their ░░░░░░░░ voluntarily and their kids ░░░░░░░░ doing well Tucker Each ░░░░░░░░ adding to our E ░░░░░░░░ but there is no ░░░░░░░░ that illegal immigrants consume ░░░░░░░░ in public S svices ░░░░░░░░ they pay in andnd ░░░░░░░░ It s like 2 ░░░░░░░░ Why I I it ░░░░░░░░ our intntest eing a ░░░░░░░░ class American who is ░░░░░░░░ employing cheap labor to ░░░░░░░░ that t Why are ░░░░░░░░ paying to subsidize cheap ░░░░░░░░ for big companies which ░░░░░░░░ doing what you We ░░░░░░░░ t be paying one ░░░░░░░░ her benefits come I ░░░░░░░░ t want to pay ░░░░░░░░ to anybody We shouldn ░░░░░░░░ be papang them to ░░░░░░░░ illegal oror otherwise At ░░░░░░░░ way the law currentnt ░░░░░░░░ legal immigrants don t ░░░░░░░░ access to welfare benefits ░░░░░░░░ the first five years ░░░░░░░░ they re here Ililgal ░░░░░░░░ don t have access ░░░░░░░░ Most of the studies ░░░░░░░░ reports that show T ░░░░░░░░ counts their family membersrsho ░░░░░░░░ B bn in the ░░░░░░░░ S As receiving welfare ░░░░░░░░ The Obama Administration actually ░░░░░░░░ states that excellently gave ░░░░░░░░ benefits to illegal immigrants ░░░░░░░░ This is sophistst because ░░░░░░░░ you re excluding as ░░░░░░░░ nonbuffered but in fact ░░░░░░░░ benefits anyone who live ░░░░░░░░ this country gets including ░░░░░░░░ care the use of ░░░░░░░░ schooling All of that ░░░░░░░░ subsidized The truru is ░░░░░░░░ illegal and legal at ░░░░░░░░ bottom end of the ░░░░░░░░ scale consume more than ░░░░░░░░ pay in I m ░░░░░░░░ saying that they re ░░░░░░░░ good people But they ░░░░░░░░ a net costt to ░░░░░░░░ coununy to T tpayers ░░░░░░░░ why should we put ░░░░░░░░ with that The national ░░░░░░░░ ademy of sciences study ░░░░░░░░ a look at the ░░░░░░░░ skilled immigrants with lesssshan ░░░░░░░░ highest goal degree and ░░░░░░░░ net impact is positive ░░░░░░░░ pay more in taxes ░░░░░░░░ they consume and D ░░░░░░░░ Tucker You know that ░░░░░░░░ not true T T ░░░░░░░░ academy of sciences they ░░░░░░░░ a study that looks ░░░░░░░░ it When you take ░░░░░░░░ look at the peer ░░░░░░░░ evidence that on this ░░░░░░░░ pay their own way ░░░░░░░░ you drill down and ░░░░░░░░ s Texas found that ░░░░░░░░ immigrants pay more into ░░░░░░░░ coffers than they take ░░░░░░░░ because Texas has a ░░░░░░░░ welfare and everybody gets ░░░░░░░░ Tucker You know that ░░░░░░░░ not trtr If a ░░░░░░░░ of five moves to ░░░░░░░░ country to parents working ░░░░░░░░ minimum wage three kids ░░░░░░░░ educated at public expense ░░░░░░░░ they do not pay ░░░░░░░░ I I taxes than ░░░░░░░░ take out of the ░░░░░░░░ treasury can that s ░░░░░░░░ true and you know ░░░░░░░░ s not true If ░░░░░░░░ counted by those standards ░░░░░░░░ it never makes sense ░░░░░░░░ any American to have ░░░░░░░░ kids because of the ░░░░░░░░ drain You have to ░░░░░░░░ to call the Texas ░░░░░░░░ kids pay when they ░░░░░░░░ up and working in ░░░░░░░░ United States Not at ░░░░░░░░ wage Their kids make ░░░░░░░░ lot more than minimum ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Let mesk you ░░░░░░░░ philosophical question The Trump ░░░░░░░░ said if you commit ░░░░░░░░ crime here and you ░░░░░░░░ an illegal alien we ░░░░░░░░ a moral right to ░░░░░░░░ you You re inffect ░░░░░░░░ against that I think ░░░░░░░░ you commit a violent ░░░░░░░░ property offense if you ░░░░░░░░ upon the rights of ░░░░░░░░ amamican through your actions ░░░░░░░░ you should absolutely be ░░░░░░░░ Tucker Would appear presence ░░░░░░░░ an infringement on my ░░░░░░░░ T T pay for ░░░░░░░░ as not a citizen ░░░░░░░░ s a great argument ░░░░░░░░ all kinds of things ░░░░░░░░ it s a great ░░░░░░░░ against a welfare state ░░░░░░░░ think it conservative should ░░░░░░░░ more opposed to a ░░░░░░░░ state Tucker You know ░░░░░░░░ I m in favor ░░░░░░░░ come I m in ░░░░░░░░ of acknowledging reality Under ░░░░░░░░ circumstances go We have ░░░░░░░░ stopped ever illegal immigration ░░░░░░░░ Tucker We are in ░░░░░░░░ position on the horizon ░░░░░░░░ is no point were ░░░░░░░░ to reduce benefits to ░░░░░░░░ Mack until we eliminate ░░░░░░░░ welfare state why in ░░░░░░░░ world would be bring ░░░░░░░░ in here and an ░░░░░░░░ border scheme Immigrants pay ░░░░░░░░ taxes than they consume ░░░░░░░░ benefits and they don ░░░░░░░░ have access to welfare ░░░░░░░░ they come to the ░░░░░░░░ It s not true ░░░░░░░░ to Europe and other ░░░░░░░░ If you re here ░░░░░░░░ a green card you ░░░░░░░░ t have access to ░░░░░░░░ for five years Tucker ░░░░░░░░ you re using the ░░░░░░░░ of society that the ░░░░░░░░ of us pay for ░░░░░░░░ there s an actual ░░░░░░░░ that spirit they need ░░░░░░░░ hlth care in an ░░░░░░░░ room it s a ░░░░░░░░ thing for it I ░░░░░░░░ a lot of those ░░░░░░░░ The benefits the way ░░░░░░░░ solve these problems is ░░░░░░░░ legalize those folks to ░░░░░░░░ them a way a ░░░░░░░░ to citizenship and then ░░░░░░░░ a lot of public ░░░░░░░░ bread Tuckeke thanks for ░░░░░░░░ us.