Rand Paul to Dr. Fauci: ‘Did You Not Believe in Vaccine Immunology ... or Were You Doing It for Show?’

MACCALLUM That would have ░░░░░░░░ sent a pretty strong ░░░░░░░░ Republican senator Rand Paul ░░░░░░░░ Kentucky joins me now ░░░░░░░░ good to see you ░░░░░░░░ for coming back today ░░░░░░░░ Thanks for having me ░░░░░░░░ What goes through your ░░░░░░░░ as you listen to ░░░░░░░░ good friend Dr Fauci ░░░░░░░░ that Paul Well my ░░░░░░░░ to him would be ░░░░░░░░ you just discover vaccine ░░░░░░░░ Did you not believe ░░░░░░░░ vaccine immunology couple of ░░░░░░░░ ago when I asked ░░░░░░░░ this or were you ░░░░░░░░ it for show And ░░░░░░░░ sounds like you heard ░░░░░░░░ say he didn t ░░░░░░░░ people to see without ░░░░░░░░ mask The thing is ░░░░░░░░ science hasn t changed ░░░░░░░░ ve known that when ░░░░░░░░ re vaccinated we ve ░░░░░░░░ this for quite a ░░░░░░░░ that you re not ░░░░░░░░ it and not getting ░░░░░░░░ We ve known that ░░░░░░░░ months now But also ░░░░░░░░ immunology if you believe ░░░░░░░░ it if you believe ░░░░░░░░ the vaccine that s ░░░░░░░░ happens You don t ░░░░░░░░ to wear a mask ░░░░░░░░ But realize they re ░░░░░░░░ pushing this on our ░░░░░░░░ now Because they re ░░░░░░░░ you have to have ░░░░░░░░ vaccinated But kids who ░░░░░░░░ not been vaccinated should ░░░░░░░░ allowed to run track ░░░░░░░░ without a freaking mask ░░░░░░░░ fired some coach in ░░░░░░░░ Hampshire recently because he ░░░░░░░░ t making the kids ░░░░░░░░ a mask while running ░░░░░░░░ They re going to ░░░░░░░░ these kids do it ░░░░░░░░ another year So I ░░░░░░░░ glad some governors are ░░░░░░░░ back Kids do not ░░░░░░░░ to spend another year ░░░░░░░░ school wearing masks There ░░░░░░░░ no science to back ░░░░░░░░ up MACCALLUM I saw ░░░░░░░░ story this morning on ░░░░░░░░ and Friends about two ░░░░░░░░ school athletes who passed ░░░░░░░░ because they had masks ░░░░░░░░ One of them barely ░░░░░░░░ it across the finish ░░░░░░░░ on track the other ░░░░░░░░ was playing basketball When ░░░░░░░░ comes to the science ░░░░░░░░ s what Dr Fauci ░░░░░░░░ about the difference between ░░░░░░░░ last administration and this ░░░░░░░░ I want to get ░░░░░░░░ take on this Senator ░░░░░░░░ starts Fauci Obviously you ░░░░░░░░ argue about whether or ░░░░░░░░ there should have been ░░░░░░░░ planning about it and ░░░░░░░░ about it But the ░░░░░░░░ thing that is true ░░░░░░░░ that what you re ░░░░░░░░ now that you didn ░░░░░░░░ see before was a ░░░░░░░░ degree of independence on ░░░░░░░░ decision making process HAYES ░░░░░░░░ Fauci based on the ░░░░░░░░ That s the good ░░░░░░░░ There s no doubt ░░░░░░░░ that Clip ends MACCALLUM ░░░░░░░░ he s suggesting that ░░░░░░░░ last administration didn t ░░░░░░░░ them on the task ░░░░░░░░ to be independent about ░░░░░░░░ science Paul I think ░░░░░░░░ will demonstrate that the ░░░░░░░░ thing that affected the ░░░░░░░░ of this pandemic was ░░░░░░░░ vaccine Government did have ░░░░░░░░ role in it The ░░░░░░░░ Administration had a big ░░░░░░░░ in this But all ░░░░░░░░ the other things were ░░░░░░░░ found out to be ░░░░░░░░ and ineffective Six feet ░░░░░░░░ distancing didn t work ░░░░░░░░ cutting your undershirt up ░░░░░░░░ making it into a ░░░░░░░░ doesn t work None ░░░░░░░░ the other mitigation strategies ░░░░░░░░ anything When we were ░░░░░░░░ the height of all ░░░░░░░░ mandates and lockdowns the ░░░░░░░░ of the infection was ░░░░░░░░ its highest There s ░░░░░░░░ correlation between lockdown strategies ░░░░░░░░ mandates and the correlation ░░░░░░░░ the disease None of ░░░░░░░░ worked other than the ░░░░░░░░ MACCALLUM It s interesting ░░░░░░░░ you say that Put ░░░░░░░░ up on the screen ░░░░░░░░ quick we re almost ░░░░░░░░ of time Total Covid ░░░░░░░░ per 100 000 people ░░░░░░░░ is the measure right ░░░░░░░░ at this Florida Texas ░░░░░░░░ York has the highest ░░░░░░░░ all Then you have ░░░░░░░░ When you look across ░░░░░░░░ country the deaths per ░░░░░░░░ 000 rate is fairly ░░░░░░░░ with some outliers in ░░░░░░░░ York and New Jersey ░░░░░░░░ the high side regardless ░░░░░░░░ the fact that they ░░░░░░░░ a completely different policy ░░░░░░░░ approach to the whole ░░░░░░░░ Real quick sir Paul ░░░░░░░░ none of the lockdowns ░░░░░░░░ and the only thing ░░░░░░░░ did in New York ░░░░░░░░ something that was incorrect ░░░░░░░░ that was putting people ░░░░░░░░ the nursing homes back ░░░░░░░░ nursing home That led ░░░░░░░░ thousands of deaths and ░░░░░░░░ s why their record ░░░░░░░░ so bad MACCALLUM Indeed ░░░░░░░░ Rand Paul thank you ░░░░░░░░ to see you sir ░░░░░░░░ for being here.”