Obeidallah to Ferguson on P.P. Shooting: You Sound Like You’re Blaming the Victim

OBEIDALLAH: “Can I say one thing, Ben? And I know you’re not trying to do this, but it really sounds like you’re blaming the victim here in Planned Parenthood.” 
FERGUSON: “I’m not blaming the victim.”
OBEIDALLAH: “I know — I know you’re not, but that’s what it sounds like.” 
FERGUSON: “No. No, but —“
OBEIDALLAH: “And let’s be honest, it’s not just Donald Trump. Marco Rubio, after the videos came out said, we should be more than fired up. That’s his words, more than fired up. What is more than fired up? Perhaps violence.” 
FERGUSON: “[indecipherable] What it means is —“
OBEIDALLAH: “You had Ted Cruz on the issues about marriage equality saying gay communities waging a jihad of people of faith. And Ben Carson’s stuff about Muslims has been off the charts. Even stuff about policy, like saying ObamaCare is as bad as slavery. See, I didn’t know slavery had a 24 hour customer support hotline.” 
FERGUSON: “Those guys did not —“
OBEIDALLAH: “But the reality is, we live in a world where hyper rhetoric The more extreme people on the right — the more extreme people on the right and the left. But let’s be honest, more of the rhetoric is coming from the right. And I’m being objective here but I’m not being partisan. I really see —“
FERGUSON: “I don’t think more of it is coming from the right. I think when you see Bernie Sanders and what he said yesterday, vilifying the Republicans and acting as if the Republicans are responsible for a crazy man is not exactly being calm, cool and collected. He acted as if this is the Republican’s fault.” 
OBEIDALLAH: “I don’t seem him demonizing minority groups, though. You know, Donald Trump, don’t forget, in August, a Latino homeless guy was beaten up by people who invoked Donald Trump’s words about Latinos. The words matter.”
COSTELLO: “All right.”
FERGUSON: “And cops have been shot and kill because of the words of Black Lives Matter. So it has been [indecipherable] both sides.”
OBEIDALLAH: “That’s not true. I don’t see it [indecipherable] —“
FERGUSON: “Yes, it is. When you are out there saying “pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon,” that — you’re telling me that’s [indecipherable]
OBEIDALLAH: “That’s — that’s — [indecipherable] you know. But, Ben, there were — there were —“
FERGUSON:” That was Black Lives Matter movement in Minneapolis.” 

OBEIDALLAH: “Black Lives Matter [indecipherable] shot in Minneapolis by white supremacies just a week ago. You know —“
FERGUSON: “And, again, I [indecipherable] —“
COSTELLO: You know, I think you both bring up valid points. I got to — I got to leave it there. Dean Obeidallah, Ben Ferguson, thanks so much.” 
OBEIDALLAH: “Thank you.”