RUSH TRANSCRIPT Lot of ░░░░░░░░ about the tenure of ░░░░░░░░ president s third National ░░░░░░░░ adviser Reports circulating that ░░░░░░░░ is frustrated with longtime ░░░░░░░░ hawk John Bolton who ░░░░░░░░ been pushing regime change ░░░░░░░░ Iran for decades just ░░░░░░░░ starters In a new ░░░░░░░░ on the history of ░░░░░░░░ National Security Council author ░░░░░░░░ Ganz writes No one ░░░░░░░░ whether Bolton will continue ░░░░░░░░ adviser or be fired ░░░░░░░░ Twitter tomorrow As the ░░░░░░░░ and Washington wait and ░░░░░░░░ Trump s Tweets for ░░░░░░░░ latest on who s ░░░░░░░░ and down in a ░░░░░░░░ s White House fight ░░░░░░░░ the president and capitalize ░░░░░░░░ disorder and government makes ░░░░░░░░ Trump and Bolton staff ░░░░░░░░ watching closely particularly as ░░░░░░░░ president pushes for more ░░░░░░░░ policy on trade Iran ░░░░░░░░ more And so with ░░░░░░░░ tonight is the author ░░░░░░░░ Gans former chief speech ░░░░░░░░ writer at the Pentagon ░░░░░░░░ director of communications and ░░░░░░░░ at the university of ░░░░░░░░ s global policy institute ░░░░░░░░ new book White House ░░░░░░░░ How the National Security ░░░░░░░░ changed the American way ░░░░░░░░ war Thank you so ░░░░░░░░ much for coming on ░░░░░░░░ s start with what ░░░░░░░░ the nsc and when ░░░░░░░░ it born What s ░░░░░░░░ short answer you d ░░░░░░░░ someone who learned what ░░░░░░░░ just wrote when they ░░░░░░░░ sitting next to them ░░░░░░░░ the plane Franklin Roosevelt ░░░░░░░░ World War II without ░░░░░░░░ National Security Council He ░░░░░░░░ things pretty tight kept ░░░░░░░░ to themselves didn t ░░░░░░░░ to many many people ░░░░░░░░ lot of government at ░░░░░░░░ time of global war ░░░░░░░░ a time of nuclear ░░░░░░░░ wanted to bring everybody ░░░░░░░░ into one they created ░░░░░░░░ council to include the ░░░░░░░░ Secretary of State Secretary ░░░░░░░░ Defense and others and ░░░░░░░░ Congress said hey we ░░░░░░░░ getting all the big ░░░░░░░░ in the room we ░░░░░░░░ to give them a ░░░░░░░░ staff to make sure ░░░░░░░░ show up on time ░░░░░░░░ keep the minutes And ░░░░░░░░ s talk about that ░░░░░░░░ That staff has also ░░░░░░░░ referred to as the ░░░░░░░░ state Uh huh My ░░░░░░░░ to you is how ░░░░░░░░ of the nsc stays ░░░░░░░░ at the nsc from ░░░░░░░░ to president to president ░░░░░░░░ is the there there ░░░░░░░░ the mill appointees So ░░░░░░░░ that humble secretarial beginning ░░░░░░░░ grown almost to 300 ░░░░░░░░ 400 person staff in ░░░░░░░░ heart of government Wow ░░░░░░░░ you know shrinks and ░░░░░░░░ a little bit with ░░░░░░░░ new change But you ░░░░░░░░ have you know a ░░░░░░░░ 40 person political appointees ░░░░░░░░ change with the president ░░░░░░░░ the rest of the ░░░░░░░░ is mostly held over ░░░░░░░░ they re made up ░░░░░░░░ appointees from all the ░░░░░░░░ branches of government The ░░░░░░░░ community defense department and ░░░░░░░░ stick around They re ░░░░░░░░ of considered the holdovers ░░░░░░░░ the civil servants and ░░░░░░░░ re supposed to create ░░░░░░░░ in government between changes ░░░░░░░░ president Is it fair ░░░░░░░░ point them as kind ░░░░░░░░ a moderating force a ░░░░░░░░ presence I think they ░░░░░░░░ be They certainly can ░░░░░░░░ and they can certainly ░░░░░░░░ a source of consistency ░░░░░░░░ the issue is that ░░░░░░░░ you have is a ░░░░░░░░ unaccountable power The National ░░░░░░░░ adviser none of the ░░░░░░░░ are confirmed or even ░░░░░░░░ held to hearings in ░░░░░░░░ They never give press ░░░░░░░░ They rarely are seen ░░░░░░░░ the public What you ░░░░░░░░ they are a force ░░░░░░░░ consistency they are centralizing ░░░░░░░░ help bring things together ░░░░░░░░ also have a unique ░░░░░░░░ to help shape policy ░░░░░░░░ during breakdowns in government ░░░░░░░░ They also have been ░░░░░░░░ when we ve gotten ░░░░░░░░ trouble The nsc did ░░░░░░░░ throw its collective body ░░░░░░░░ front of 43 when ░░░░░░░░ decided to invade Iraq ░░░░░░░░ the Iraqis took down ░░░░░░░░ of our buildings in ░░░░░░░░ Manhattan Yeah I mean ░░░░░░░░ you look at actually ░░░░░░░░ I look at the ░░░░░░░░ from president Truman to ░░░░░░░░ Trump the nsc has ░░░░░░░░ there at every sort ░░░░░░░░ escalation in American war ░░░░░░░░ Vietnam to Iraq And ░░░░░░░░ best example is the ░░░░░░░░ in Iraq Which was ░░░░░░░░ obviously the invasion But ░░░░░░░░ was literally when President ░░░░░░░░ decided to make the ░░░░░░░░ in January of 2007 ░░░░░░░░ on his cabinet was ░░░░░░░░ agreement with him other ░░░░░░░░ vice president Cheney Basically ░░░░░░░░ Secretary of State the ░░░░░░░░ chiefs of staff everybody ░░░░░░░░ opposition It was a ░░░░░░░░ nsc staffers with the ░░░░░░░░ of the National Security ░░░░░░░░ who helped develop a ░░░░░░░░ from just an idea ░░░░░░░░ helped fight for it ░░░░░░░░ it to the president ░░░░░░░░ the president ultimately decided ░░░░░░░░ it I m sure ░░░░░░░░ are nsc staffers helping ░░░░░░░░ President Trump in a ░░░░░░░░ we don t really ░░░░░░░░ right now If memory ░░░░░░░░ the first nsc related ░░░░░░░░ of the Trump era ░░░░░░░░ the fact that as ░░░░░░░░ of Washington was horrified ░░░░░░░░ learn Steve Bannon was ░░░░░░░░ in on nsc meetings ░░░░░░░░ do you tell people ░░░░░░░░ the state and health ░░░░░░░░ the National Security Council ░░░░░░░░ far in this presidency ░░░░░░░░ think the nsc has ░░░░░░░░ the heart of the ░░░░░░░░ between a very irregular ░░░░░░░░ president somebody like President ░░░░░░░░ who s never served ░░░░░░░░ government never served in ░░░░░░░░ milmilitary The way things ░░░░░░░░ been running for 30 ░░░░░░░░ years There was always ░░░░░░░░ to be some tension ░░░░░░░░ it s been at ░░░░░░░░ pure con flagrations Whether ░░░░░░░░ Michael anyone very strong ░░░░░░░░ fired from government before ░░░░░░░░ did he ca accolades ░░░░░░░░ appointed to the nsc ░░░░░░░░ flintstones National security people ░░░░░░░░ t without a sense ░░░░░░░░ humor at he brought ░░░░░░░░ a lot of uncertain ░░░░░░░░ people with them and ░░░░░░░░ of had a bad ░░░░░░░░ with the current with ░░░░░░░░ existing government You had ░░░░░░░░ lot of fights along ░░░░░░░░ way You had a ░░░░░░░░ of dramas behind the ░░░░░░░░ There have been a ░░░░░░░░ moments of this peace ░░░░░░░░ this president behind the ░░░░░░░░ has been one steady ░░░░░░░░ of drama and irregularity ░░░░░░░░ the scenes in government ░░░░░░░░ is scary in national ░░░░░░░░ It might be sort ░░░░░░░░ the way things go ░░░░░░░░ domestic security but in ░░░░░░░░ security with the highest ░░░░░░░░ you do worry about ░░░░░░░░ kind of instability As ░░░░░░░░ d s turned authors ░░░░░░░░ your timing is pretty ░░░░░░░░ Thank you very much ░░░░░░░░ wish you well with ░░░░░░░░ book John Gans again ░░░░░░░░ the author of White ░░░░░░░░ warriors How the National ░░░░░░░░ Council changed the American ░░░░░░░░ of war Our thanks ░░░░░░░░ stopping by Coming up ░░░░░░░░ us a look back ░░░░░░░░ a week for the history