RUSH TRANSCRIPT U S ░░░░░░░░ Asia during future crises ░░░░░░░░ s discuss now with ░░░░░░░░ lawson A cybersecurity expert ░░░░░░░░ the CEO of the ░░░░░░░░ conceal Gordon thank you ░░░░░░░░ much for joining us ░░░░░░░░ to start off with ░░░░░░░░ hack is it simply ░░░░░░░░ or espionage as usual ░░░░░░░░ 2 world powers or ░░░░░░░░ you see anything here ░░░░░░░░ s more insidious and ░░░░░░░░ should really be concerned ░░░░░░░░ Really a new technique ░░░░░░░░ Well I think that ░░░░░░░░ is we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ Chinese government that has ░░░░░░░░ seen before This is ░░░░░░░░ breaking into Microsoft s ░░░░░░░░ The logic is in ░░░░░░░░ to gain access to ░░░░░░░░ a very senior U ░░░░░░░░ government officials It s ░░░░░░░░ more sophisticated we ve ░░░░░░░░ the past I do ░░░░░░░░ it s something we ░░░░░░░░ to be very concerned ░░░░░░░░ Government agencies have access ░░░░░░░░ security capabilities to stop ░░░░░░░░ like this from happening ░░░░░░░░ the future Obviously in ░░░░░░░░ case you know there ░░░░░░░░ nothing there to stop ░░░░░░░░ from happening But do ░░░░░░░░ have the technology available ░░░░░░░░ safeguard ourselves now that ░░░░░░░░ know this is the ░░░░░░░░ that they re using ░░░░░░░░ get it Well tells ░░░░░░░░ the cyber war is ░░░░░░░░ war means the speed ░░░░░░░░ light It s very ░░░░░░░░ to always defend against ░░░░░░░░ latest and greatest techniques ░░░░░░░░ once the nation states ░░░░░░░░ China would use I ░░░░░░░░ say we do have ░░░░░░░░ techniques Oftentimes I think ░░░░░░░░ s the U S ░░░░░░░░ especially control because just ░░░░░░░░ any organization it s ░░░░░░░░ it s sometimes harder ░░░░░░░░ certain Asian says commerce ░░░░░░░░ or State Department maybe ░░░░░░░░ same tool the same ░░░░░░░░ defenses as a defense ░░░░░░░░ or the intelligence community ░░░░░░░░ I think this is ░░░░░░░░ a wake up call ░░░░░░░░ we need to closer ░░░░░░░░ with industry even though ░░░░░░░░ s a big company ░░░░░░░░ Microsoft are still has ░░░░░░░░ be that But close ░░░░░░░░ between U S government ░░░░░░░░ make sure that this ░░░░░░░░ of vulnerability is an ░░░░░░░░ because my concern is ░░░░░░░░ large this exposure within ░░░░░░░░ private sector as well ░░░░░░░░ this point Yeah there ░░░░░░░░ more than 25 companies ░░░░░░░░ and they said that ░░░░░░░░ of the U S ░░░░░░░░ data was unclassified But ░░░░░░░░ never know what that ░░░░░░░░ to and of course ░░░░░░░░ has always been a ░░░░░░░░ security concern But it ░░░░░░░░ seems like Russia has ░░░░░░░░ more of the focus ░░░░░░░░ hacks and dis information ░░░░░░░░ Do you think in ░░░░░░░░ know recent the last ░░░░░░░░ of years that the ░░░░░░░░ S has perhaps underestimated ░░░░░░░░ capabilities of Chinese hackers ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ it s certainly getting ░░░░░░░░ sophisticated You know what ░░░░░░░░ ve seen the past ░░░░░░░░ a much more common ░░░░░░░░ like phishing emails or ░░░░░░░░ engineering in order to ░░░░░░░░ credentials This is now ░░░░░░░░ of going to devices ░░░░░░░░ the edge or access ░░░░░░░░ adage which is a ░░░░░░░░ harder to defend against ░░░░░░░░ yes I do think ░░░░░░░░ re getting more sophisticated ░░░░░░░░ think with the current ░░░░░░░░ environment obviously we have ░░░░░░░░ conflict Ukraine with Russia ░░░░░░░░ have a potential conflict ░░░░░░░░ Taiwan lots of rhetoric ░░░░░░░░ not with China I ░░░░░░░░ that these will continue ░░░░░░░░ ramp up It s ░░░░░░░░ s it s a ░░░░░░░░ for both China and ░░░░░░░░ project power to be ░░░░░░░░ to scare from private ░░░░░░░░ and certainly to cause ░░░░░░░░ for the for the ░░░░░░░░ government Yeah A lot ░░░░░░░░ geopolitical factors contributing to ░░░░░░░░ And as you said ░░░░░░░░ expect these to ramp ░░░░░░░░ So hopefully companies are ░░░░░░░░ note of this and ░░░░░░░░ the proper protections available ░░░░░░░░ of conceal and cybersecurity ░░░░░░░░ court loss And thank ░░░░░░░░ so much for your ░░░░░░░░ tonight.