RUSH TRANSCRIPT Liability Paula ░░░░░░░░ thank you Let s ░░░░░░░░ in albert gonzalez who ░░░░░░░░ as attorney general under ░░░░░░░░ Bush You were once ░░░░░░░░ Merrick Garland s shoes ░░░░░░░░ you appoint a special ░░░░░░░░ here You know I ░░░░░░░░ think the bar for ░░░░░░░░ a special counsel has ░░░░░░░░ much higher in terms ░░░░░░░░ what would be necessary ░░░░░░░░ the Bush Administration yes ░░░░░░░░ special counsel would have ░░░░░░░░ appointed We appointed a ░░░░░░░░ counsel John Ashcroft did ░░░░░░░░ he stepped away because ░░░░░░░░ the fact that he ░░░░░░░░ Karl Rove as an ░░░░░░░░ many years before then ░░░░░░░░ he was running for ░░░░░░░░ In today s world ░░░░░░░░ standard has changed Merrick ░░░░░░░░ will have to make ░░░░░░░░ independent decision based upon ░░░░░░░░ he thinks is in ░░░░░░░░ interest of justice what ░░░░░░░░ investigators are telling him ░░░░░░░░ you re asking me ░░░░░░░░ on what I know ░░░░░░░░ upon public reporting I ░░░░░░░░ if I was making ░░░░░░░░ decision during the Bush ░░░░░░░░ yes I would have ░░░░░░░░ a special counsel In ░░░░░░░░ because if we re ░░░░░░░░ documents in different jurisdictions ░░░░░░░░ need someone who has ░░░░░░░░ over all the jurisdictions ░░░░░░░░ would that be then ░░░░░░░░ has jurisdiction He would ░░░░░░░░ someone like a former ░░░░░░░░ to appoint as special ░░░░░░░░ Look we re talking ░░░░░░░░ the attorney general Let ░░░░░░░░ jump in please You ░░░░░░░░ saying it seems like ░░░░░░░░ re saying you don ░░░░░░░░ think the bar is ░░░░░░░░ high for special counsel ░░░░░░░░ you said different jurisdictions ░░░░░░░░ that person would be ░░░░░░░░ special counsel What is ░░░░░░░░ Do you think a ░░░░░░░░ counsel should be or ░░░░░░░░ Based on what I ░░░░░░░░ based upon my experience ░░░░░░░░ the Bush Administration yes ░░░░░░░░ if it appears we ░░░░░░░░ talking about evidence that ░░░░░░░░ be in different jurisdictions ░░░░░░░░ would appoint a special ░░░░░░░░ that would have jurisdiction ░░░░░░░░ the various U S ░░░░░░░░ districts Yes I would ░░░░░░░░ a special counsel based ░░░░░░░░ what I know Again ░░░░░░░░ s based upon public ░░░░░░░░ It s not my ░░░░░░░░ to second guess or ░░░░░░░░ pressure on Merrick Garland ░░░░░░░░ based upon the interest ░░░░░░░░ justice I think a ░░░░░░░░ counsel is likely to ░░░░░░░░ appointed We were talking ░░░░░░░░ that we heard from ░░░░░░░░ s attorneys is that ░░░░░░░░ shows how easy it ░░░░░░░░ to take classified information ░░░░░░░░ you leave office President ░░░░░░░░ said he takes classified ░░░░░░░░ seriously Is it easier ░░░░░░░░ people think to take ░░░░░░░░ with them You have ░░░░░░░░ remember we re talking ░░░░░░░░ a lot of information ░░░░░░░░ documents that happen at ░░░░░░░░ end of an administration ░░░░░░░░ you have aides that ░░░░░░░░ responsibility to gather up ░░░░░░░░ information and move it ░░░░░░░░ say a presidential library ░░░░░░░░ a place where presidential ░░░░░░░░ personal documents are going ░░░░░░░░ be stored for the ░░░░░░░░ administration It could be ░░░░░░░░ President Biden has no ░░░░░░░░ what else might be ░░░░░░░░ there because he didn ░░░░░░░░ actually move the documents ░░░░░░░░ it easy I wouldn ░░░░░░░░ say it s easy ░░░░░░░░ certainly possible that when ░░░░░░░░ leave office you take ░░░░░░░░ documents with you that ░░░░░░░░ classified It s important ░░░░░░░░ you remember once the ░░░░░░░░ is over any presidential ░░░░░░░░ is no longer yours ░░░░░░░░ belongs to the archives ░░░░░░░░ you have a responsibility ░░░░░░░░ get it to the ░░░░░░░░ If you re talking ░░░░░░░░ hlnundre of pages of ░░░░░░░░ you typically have people ░░░░░░░░ that and you may ░░░░░░░░ know if all the ░░░░░░░░ have been turned over ░░░░░░░░ do your best to ░░░░░░░░ sure that happens You ░░░░░░░░ your staff does its ░░░░░░░░ in collecting the information ░░░░░░░░ turning it over In ░░░░░░░░ of firsthand knowledge it ░░░░░░░░ difficult for a vice ░░░░░░░░ or a president or ░░░░░░░░ a cabinet secretary to ░░░░░░░░ for sure That s ░░░░░░░░ the White House has ░░░░░░░░ so reluctant to say ░░░░░░░░ is all there is ░░░░░░░░ they re I m ░░░░░░░░ doing a search right ░░░░░░░░ to confirm You just ░░░░░░░░ you should do everything ░░░░░░░░ can to get them ░░░░░░░░ the proper place There ░░░░░░░░ look there are distinctions ░░░░░░░░ what happened with the ░░░░░░░░ documents and with the ░░░░░░░░ documents Quite honestly for ░░░░░░░░ at home it s ░░░░░░░░ for them to see ░░░░░░░░ distinctions It all looks ░░░░░░░░ the same thing You ░░░░░░░░ got these documents and ░░░░░░░░ shouldn t be where ░░░░░░░░ are The distinction is ░░░░░░░░ is saying we want ░░░░░░░░ comply Trump is saying ░░░░░░░░ don t want to ░░░░░░░░ That s how we ░░░░░░░░ to this point Can ░░░░░░░░ discuss that Do you ░░░░░░░░ what I m saying ░░░░░░░░ think it s important ░░░░░░░░ people to understand in ░░░░░░░░ criminal prosecution the facts ░░░░░░░░ The differences in facts ░░░░░░░░ going to make a ░░░░░░░░ difference Also to the ░░░░░░░░ you have different prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ have a special prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ at the Mar a ░░░░░░░░ documents You re likely ░░░░░░░░ have a special prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ They re going to ░░░░░░░░ different They ll view ░░░░░░░░ differently The judgment will ░░░░░░░░ different So the no ░░░░░░░░ would want to be ░░░░░░░░ for committing a crime ░░░░░░░░ certain acts based upon ░░░░░░░░ actions of a prosecutor ░░░░░░░░ respect to a different ░░░░░░░░ of facts Facts are ░░░░░░░░ important The slight deviation ░░░░░░░░ facts may make a ░░░░░░░░ in the mind of ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor in exercising his ░░░░░░░░ her discretion as to ░░░░░░░░ or not to move ░░░░░░░░ The fact that former ░░░░░░░░ Trump may be charged ░░░░░░░░ t make a difference ░░░░░░░░ respect to whether or ░░░░░░░░ President Biden should be ░░░░░░░░ Vice a versa Facts ░░░░░░░░ The American people I ░░░░░░░░ need to understand that ░░░░░░░░ know it s difficult ░░░░░░░░ perhaps accept or comprehend ░░░░░░░░ this politically charged environment ░░░░░░░░ s the way it ░░░░░░░░ in our justice system ░░░░░░░░ it matter that Biden ░░░░░░░░ was vice president six ░░░░░░░░ ago He had the ░░░░░░░░ for possibly six years ░░░░░░░░ was president two years ░░░░░░░░ or so and they ░░░░░░░░ been working for a ░░░░░░░░ or so to get ░░░░░░░░ documents back He didn ░░░░░░░░ have the documents as ░░░░░░░░ Biden had them for ░░░░░░░░ years Does that make ░░░░░░░░ difference I m sure ░░░░░░░░ some point he was ░░░░░░░░ all the documents had ░░░░░░░░ turned over So there ░░░░░░░░ no additional work to ░░░░░░░░ that I m sure ░░░░░░░░ relied upon trusted aides ░░░░░░░░ were charged with making ░░░░░░░░ all the presidential records ░░░░░░░░ turned over as they ░░░░░░░░ have been turned over ░░░░░░░░ know it s not ░░░░░░░░ they at some point ░░░░░░░░ stopped That effort to ░░░░░░░░ that stopped It took ░░░░░░░░ long period of time ░░░░░░░░ discover there were additional ░░░░░░░░ that should have been ░░░░░░░░ over You were once ░░░░░░░░ of improperly handling information ░░░░░░░░ you took home information ░░░░░░░░ was not supposed to be