MSNBC’s Jolly: ‘Tens of Millions of Americans’ Will Say ‘Trump Is Not My President’ on Inauguration Day

Wallace So David Jolly ░░░░░░░░ we sit here after ░░░░░░░░ the first confirmation hearing ░░░░░░░░ the first of Trump ░░░░░░░░ picks for Trump 2 ░░░░░░░░ we look at by ░░░░░░░░ s own framing what ░░░░░░░░ wanted eight years ago ░░░░░░░░ he s attracted to ░░░░░░░░ JOLLY Sure Wallace What ░░░░░░░░ your thoughts JOLLY I ░░░░░░░░ what we re seeing ░░░░░░░░ Hegseth is an example ░░░░░░░░ someone unlike Mattis Kelly ░░░░░░░░ others who will be ░░░░░░░░ to push back on ░░░░░░░░ Trump at pivotal moments ░░░░░░░░ saw today if Esper ░░░░░░░░ no to shooting people ░░░░░░░░ the streets would Hegseth ░░░░░░░░ it On questions related ░░░░░░░░ the Pacific Rim or ░░░░░░░░ in Syria where perhaps ░░░░░░░░ Kelly and others had ░░░░░░░░ type of influence on ░░░░░░░░ Trump it appears Hegseth ░░░░░░░░ roll over I think ░░░░░░░░ bigger picture for a ░░░░░░░░ of Americans over the ░░░░░░░░ four years you can ░░░░░░░░ in the Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ into this as well ░░░░░░░░ now know Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ the predicate of the ░░░░░░░░ lie He invited people ░░░░░░░░ D C He sent ░░░░░░░░ to the Capitol He ░░░░░░░░ guilty in the minds ░░░░░░░░ millions of Americans His ░░░░░░░░ picks will be unqualified ░░░░░░░░ Trump will be a ░░░░░░░░ to national security The ░░░░░░░░ is next week and ░░░░░░░░ we see Democratic senators ░░░░░░░░ to push back I ░░░░░░░░ t think what we ░░░░░░░░ among Democratic activists in ░░░░░░░░ was defeat I think ░░░░░░░░ s just fatigue And ░░░░░░░░ think you re going ░░░░░░░░ see some hard wrestling ░░░░░░░░ this question or the ░░░░░░░░ that Donald Trump s ░░░░░░░░ my president And I ░░░░░░░░ that conjures up some ░░░░░░░░ patriotic questions And I ░░░░░░░░ t mean to do ░░░░░░░░ But what I mean ░░░░░░░░ that is Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ somebody who broke his ░░░░░░░░ to us Why should ░░░░░░░░ expect our oath to ░░░░░░░░ given to him when ░░░░░░░░ have seen his willingness ░░░░░░░░ break the Constitution to ░░░░░░░░ to conspire to defraud ░░░░░░░░ American people to cheat ░░░░░░░░ to pervert the American ░░░░░░░░ and American ideals We ░░░░░░░░ seeing this in the ░░░░░░░░ Smith report today in ░░░░░░░░ We re seeing this ░░░░░░░░ the United States Senate ░░░░░░░░ There will be millions ░░░░░░░░ of millions of Americans ░░░░░░░░ week on Inauguration Day ░░░░░░░░ say that s not ░░░░░░░░ president And I think ░░░░░░░░ s a hard conversation ░░░░░░░░ have but an important ░░░░░░░░ for the next four ░░░░░░░░ Wallace What is it ░░░░░░░░ a Democratic defeat that ░░░░░░░░ to break the spirit ░░░░░░░░ the Democratic pro frmocracy ░░░░░░░░ whereas a Trump defeat ░░░░░░░░ to fortify the will ░░░░░░░░ fight JOLLY Well I ░░░░░░░░ we talked about this ░░░░░░░░ after the election Millions ░░░░░░░░ Democratic activists and those ░░░░░░░░ opposed Trump know that ░░░░░░░░ doesn t mean he ░░░░░░░░ right And so you ░░░░░░░░ when you re lost ░░░░░░░░ you re still right ░░░░░░░░ it puts you in ░░░░░░░░ desert a little bit ░░░░░░░░ is unifying If Democrats ░░░░░░░░ won they d be ░░░░░░░░ right now Perhaps they ░░░░░░░░ not That s OK ░░░░░░░░ s a rebuild process ░░░░░░░░ have unified around the ░░░░░░░░ leader and a dangerous ░░░░░░░░ and those who lost ░░░░░░░░ election haven t lost ░░░░░░░░ fight and they know ░░░░░░░░ their job for the ░░░░░░░░ 4 years is to ░░░░░░░░ out this leader as ░░░░░░░░ wrong wrong for the ░░░░░░░░ of the country wrong ░░░░░░░░ the Constitution wrong for ░░░░░░░░ American ideals and the ░░░░░░░░ spirit This notion of ░░░░░░░░ Trump not being your ░░░░░░░░ eight years ago sounded ░░░░░░░░ but I don t ░░░░░░░░ it sounds unpatriotic next ░░░░░░░░ for a lot of ░░░░░░░░ Wallace We ll continue ░░░░░░░░ call on all of ░░░░░░░░ Claire McCaskill David Jolly ░░░░░░░░ Rieckhoff thank you for ░░░░░░░░ the hour with us ░░░░░░░░ next we ll have ░░░░░░░░ more on special counsel ░░░░░░░░ Smith s report Retired ░░░░░░░░ C officer Michael Fanone ░░░░░░░░ our guest next on ░░░░░░░░ Jack Smith calls Donald ░░░░░░░░