Fowler Says Polls of Black Men Favoring Trump Are ‘Illusionary’

KURTZ Of course that ░░░░░░░░ always subject to dispute ░░░░░░░░ the border I mean ░░░░░░░░ debate about that whatsoever ░░░░░░░░ Richard have the media ░░░░░░░░ Donald Trump who throughout ░░░░░░░░ long campaign from the ░░░░░░░░ indictments to the civil ░░░░░░░░ suit to the NATO ░░░░░░░░ most of which wound ░░░░░░░░ helping him FOWLER Look ░░░░░░░░ think it depends on ░░░░░░░░ you re talking to ░░░░░░░░ I don t think ░░░░░░░░ American people are a ░░░░░░░░ right I think it ░░░░░░░░ on what swath of ░░░░░░░░ you are talking to ░░░░░░░░ don t get me ░░░░░░░░ I think while you ░░░░░░░░ see the president doing ░░░░░░░░ amongst his base while ░░░░░░░░ do see the president ░░░░░░░░ of reshaping and owning ░░░░░░░░ Republican Party which at ░░░░░░░░ point it s obvious ░░░░░░░░ he does the problem ░░░░░░░░ the president really runs ░░░░░░░░ is How do I ░░░░░░░░ independents How do I ░░░░░░░░ new voters to come ░░░░░░░░ to my camp and ░░░░░░░░ that I m the ░░░░░░░░ candidate Every poll says ░░░░░░░░ s this big swath ░░░░░░░░ voters moving over to ░░░░░░░░ president The polling I ░░░░░░░░ matters most is how ░░░░░░░░ vote in elections KURTZ ░░░░░░░░ you said earlier that ░░░░░░░░ Wait wait wait KURTZ ░░░░░░░░ ll let you finish ░░░░░░░░ you said earlier that ░░░░░░░░ was not making much ░░░░░░░░ FOWLER No he s ░░░░░░░░ And I think a ░░░░░░░░ example of this is ░░░░░░░░ past election in Ohio ░░░░░░░░ reproductive health was on ░░░░░░░░ ballot What we found ░░░░░░░░ this the number one ░░░░░░░░ to vote to protect ░░░░░░░░ woman s right to ░░░░░░░░ was not women it ░░░░░░░░ actually black men Black ░░░░░░░░ voted to protect a ░░░░░░░░ s right to choose ░░░░░░░░ Ohio more so than ░░░░░░░░ other subgroup This is ░░░░░░░░ group that the Trump ░░░░░░░░ thinks they re wooing ░░░░░░░░ How could you woo ░░░░░░░░ over then the president ░░░░░░░░ positioning on this is ░░░░░░░░ opposite of where these ░░░░░░░░ stand HEMINGWAY Well you ░░░░░░░░ Howard University just did ░░░░░░░░ poll that showed Donald ░░░░░░░░ s support among black ░░░░░░░░ has tripled FOWLER That ░░░░░░░░ illusionary Molly Every time ░░░░░░░░ Take it up with ░░░░░░░░ University KURTZ Let her ░░░░░░░░ and then I ll ░░░░░░░░ you speak HEMINGWAY Take ░░░░░░░░ up with Howard University ░░░░░░░░ also we just see ░░░░░░░░ all of the national ░░░░░░░░ people are extremely dissatisfied ░░░░░░░░ the Biden Administration and ░░░░░░░░ it s handling these ░░░░░░░░ problems And you can ░░░░░░░░ you know I agree ░░░░░░░░ you it ll all ░░░░░░░░ down to the polls ░░░░░░░░ we re definitely seeing ░░░░░░░░ changes FOWLER The only ░░░░░░░░ I say it s ░░░░░░░░ is because a poll ░░░░░░░░ a snapshot in time ░░░░░░░░ time black men have ░░░░░░░░ a chance to go ░░░░░░░░ to vote in 2016 ░░░░░░░░ voted higher for Trump ░░░░░░░░ they voted for him ░░░░░░░░ 2020 So the idea ░░░░░░░░ in this election they ░░░░░░░░ going to flip and ░░░░░░░░ vote higher than they ░░░░░░░░ in 2016 or 2020 ░░░░░░░░ think is illusionary based ░░░░░░░░ how they voted previously ░░░░░░░░ based on how they ░░░░░░░░ in Ohio KURTZ All ░░░░░░░░ well unlike last time ░░░░░░░░ me Donald Trump didn ░░░░░░░░ criticize Nikki Haley He ░░░░░░░░ t even mention her.”