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Ex-NSA Chief Hayden: ‘Apple Is Right’; Backdoor Will Be ‘Negative to National Security

Name: CBS


CBS This Morning

Name: CBS This Morning


Charlie Rose

Name: Charlie Rose

Employment: CBS

Position: Host/Anchor

, Michael Hayden

Name: Michael Hayden

Employment: National Security Agency

Position: Former Director

HAYDEN: “Good morning.”
ROSE: “So, let’s look at the FBI story and make sure we understand exactly what you think. You have on the one hand, the FBI says we are be able to look at this —“
HAYDEN: “Right.”
ROSE: “— and we need you to help us do it.”
HAYDEN: “Right.”
ROSE: “And we’re only asking you to do it one time.”
HAYDEN: “Right.”
ROSE: “Apple says, there is no such thing as one time. It’ll mean that we are opening up privacy, it would be violating the privacy of all those people who buy iPhones. What does Michael Hayden say?”
HAYDEN: “Charlie, this is a morality play for the theme of the book which I try to describe as you know — these are always tough choices and this is not about the forces of light and the force of darkness. This is about balancing two virtues, two things we want deeply, security and privacy, liberty and safety. And so, now is acting out in this particular sphere. I think — I think Apple is right in terms of opposing universal backdoors to make it easier for our or any government to get into encrypted communications. But I am —“
ROSE: “But stop there. Is that what the government is asking them?”
HAYDEN: “No. No. But I am not convinced that what the FBI is asking Apple to do in San Bernardino is that. And I think the burden of proof is on Apple to show that there is an inevitable slippery slope from this very targeted focused request from the bureau, a slippery slope from that to this thing over here. And Charlie, look, as you said, I ran NSA, backdoors are backdoors. If they are in there, good security services around the world are going to exploit that and take advantage of that.
ROSE: “You mean, government [indecipherable]”
HAYDEN: “Yeah, the government who are actually wish us no good.”
KING: “But you also say in the book when it comes to national security and protecting our privacy and our lives, sometimes you have to go right to the edge and do whatever it takes.”
HAYDEN: “That’s right.”
KING: “So, is it a bit of a contradiction to say, well, I don’t totally oppose that I’m not — that I agree with a backdoor? Do you see what I mean, it’s you —“ [crosstalk]
HAYDEN: “No. No, Gayle, I get it and that’s why I said, this is a perpetual gray area.”
KING: “Yeah.”
HAYDEN: “These are never easy choices but there are lines. I do say playing to the edge —“
KING: “Yeah.”
HAYDEN: “— and you should not go beyond a certain point. And my judgment, in this particular case is that universal backdoors, although it may facilitate American law enforcement for very good purposes, on balance, on balance, actually are an overall negative for American security, not just American privacy.”
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