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Renato Mariotti Appears on ‘MSNBC Live’ To Discuss Trump’s Russia Meeting
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Stephanie Ruhle
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Name: Stephanie Ruhle
Employment: Bloomberg Television
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Name: Seema Iyer
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Name: Renato Mariotti
Employment: Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner LLP
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RUSH TRANSCRIPT President Trump ░░░░░░░░ attorney talking about that ░░░░░░░░ meeting that the president ░░░░░░░░ son Donald junior had ░░░░░░░░ the campaign with a ░░░░░░░░ lawyer The president sent ░░░░░░░░ Jay sekulow to defend ░░░░░░░░ son on all five ░░░░░░░░ shows but is he ░░░░░░░░ Does everyone really agree ░░░░░░░░ s nothing illegal to ░░░░░░░░ here I m joined ░░░░░░░░ by two attorneys to ░░░░░░░░ this down A former ░░░░░░░░ prosecutor a former criminal ░░░░░░░░ and a criminal defense ░░░░░░░░ civil rights attorney Seema ░░░░░░░░ there no there there ░░░░░░░░ There is no there ░░░░░░░░ not yet Listen there ░░░░░░░░ this word collusion being ░░░░░░░░ but Chris you know ░░░░░░░░ I m a lawyer ░░░░░░░░ collusion is a political ░░░░░░░░ It is not a ░░░░░░░░ term But it can ░░░░░░░░ to something that is ░░░░░░░░ It could lead to ░░░░░░░░ charge of conspiracy Now ░░░░░░░░ conspiracy there has to ░░░░░░░░ the meeting of the ░░░░░░░░ And that is between ░░░░░░░░ Russian people and the ░░░░░░░░ campaign And you haven ░░░░░░░░ seen anything in those ░░░░░░░░ mails that suggested I ░░░░░░░░ not Chris With all ░░░░░░░░ respect what I saw ░░░░░░░░ Trump junior on the ░░░░░░░░ end of vetting information ░░░░░░░░ that is all And ░░░░░░░░ fact he said he ░░░░░░░░ love it is not ░░░░░░░░ admission that he wants ░░░░░░░░ be part of this ░░░░░░░░ He would love to ░░░░░░░░ this possibility of information ░░░░░░░░ is that all it ░░░░░░░░ I m going to ░░░░░░░░ the information and frankly ░░░░░░░░ happens all the time ░░░░░░░░ politics that s what ░░░░░░░░ dad said I think ░░░░░░░░ of these conclusions are ░░░░░░░░ little premature What we ░░░░░░░░ now e mail setting ░░░░░░░░ a meeting We don ░░░░░░░░ know what happened in ░░░░░░░░ meeting we don t ░░░░░░░░ if there were further ░░░░░░░░ or communications after that ░░░░░░░░ I want to know ░░░░░░░░ what happened in that ░░░░░░░░ And we ve heard ░░░░░░░░ accounts from Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ Where first it was ░░░░░░░░ adoptions then it s ░░░░░░░░ something else What I ░░░░░░░░ matters is what was ░░░░░░░░ in that meeting So ░░░░░░░░ do agree with Seema ░░░░░░░░ if there s an ░░░░░░░░ to do something illegal ░░░░░░░░ s a crime and ░░░░░░░░ there s other potential ░░░░░░░░ that could have occurred ░░░░░░░░ For example knowingly receiving ░░░░░░░░ information is a crime ░░░░░░░░ to exchange an official ░░░░░░░░ like getting rid of ░░░░░░░░ for something of value ░░░░░░░░ s also a crime ░░░░░░░░ what matters is the ░░░░░░░░ the devil s in ░░░░░░░░ details And ultimately what ░░░░░░░░ m hopeful for is ░░░░░░░░ that there was I ░░░░░░░░ eight people present at ░░░░░░░░ meeting is that Mr ░░░░░░░░ and his team will ░░░░░░░░ to the bottom of ░░░░░░░░ what happened Which brings ░░░░░░░░ to the next point ░░░░░░░░ start out with a ░░░░░░░░ people in the meeting ░░░░░░░░ it s about adoption ░░░░░░░░ Suddenly you re at ░░░░░░░░ and seven and then ░░░░░░░░ eight people in the ░░░░░░░░ Right But it wasn ░░░░░░░░ about adoption People are ░░░░░░░░ saying that It sounds ░░░░░░░░ patronizing It was about ░░░░░░░░ sanctions which was legitimately ░░░░░░░░ Veselnistkaya s endeavor But ░░░░░░░░ s not how the ░░░░░░░░ was set up There ░░░░░░░░ nothing in that e ░░░░░░░░ chain that you talked ░░░░░░░░ that suggested we want ░░░░░░░░ talk about the magnitsky ░░░░░░░░ But that s what ░░░░░░░░ do We have some ░░░░░░░░ on Hillary Clinton and ░░░░░░░░ want to provide it ░░░░░░░░ you Because both rinat ░░░░░░░░ who was the Russian ░░░░░░░░ who was in the ░░░░░░░░ both he and veselnistkaya ░░░░░░░░ work for this magnitsky ░░░░░░░░ is politics You get ░░░░░░░░ the door however you ░░░░░░░░ in the door saying ░░░░░░░░ have information about Hillary ░░░░░░░░ really I want to ░░░░░░░░ about my cause I ░░░░░░░░ it was smart on ░░░░░░░░ part to get the ░░░░░░░░ Do you think it ░░░░░░░░ smart on their part ░░░░░░░░ get the meeting or ░░░░░░░░ it Renato dumb on ░░░░░░░░ part of the campaign ░░░░░░░░ accept a meeting from ░░░░░░░░ from Russia They believe ░░░░░░░░ was a Russian government ░░░░░░░░ an enemy of ours ░░░░░░░░ that meeting and does ░░░░░░░░ imply if you re ░░░░░░░░ investigator if you re ░░░░░░░░ any of the number ░░░░░░░░ investigators who are either ░░░░░░░░ the Senate or house ░░░░░░░░ committee if you re ░░░░░░░░ of Mueller s team ░░░░░░░░ you see constantly shifting ░░░░░░░░ does that at least ░░░░░░░░ not say illegality say ░░░░░░░░ flag we need to ░░░░░░░░ into this further Because ░░░░░░░░ don t change their ░░░░░░░░ that many times if ░░░░░░░░ don t have anything ░░░░░░░░ hide Common sense Okay ░░░░░░░░ first of all I ░░░░░░░░ make sure this is ░░░░░░░░ for all your readers ░░░░░░░░ your viewers excuse me ░░░░░░░░ anyone gets a call ░░░░░░░░ someone purporting to be ░░░░░░░░ the Russian government or ░░░░░░░░ an e mail exchange ░░░░░░░░ for a meeting what ░░░░░░░░ should do is put ░░░░░░░░ off and call the ░░░░░░░░ I think frankly that ░░░░░░░░ common sense but I ░░░░░░░░ it bears to be ░░░░░░░░ it was obviously foolish ░░░░░░░░ have that meeting because ░░░░░░░░ the very least they ░░░░░░░░ be compromised As for ░░░░░░░░ shifting explanations yes that ░░░░░░░░ be used against Donald ░░░░░░░░ Jr So ultimately if ░░░░░░░░ Mueller is investigating and ░░░░░░░░ s more evidence here ░░░░░░░░ Trump Jr Made those ░░░░░░░░ himself He didn t ░░░░░░░░ them through an attorney ░░░░░░░░ those statements can be ░░░░░░░░ against him And typically ░░░░░░░░ people are making false ░░░░░░░░ or misleading statements or ░░░░░░░░ statements about the purpose ░░░░░░░░ a meeting that they ░░░░░░░░ it suggests that they ░░░░░░░░ not being truthful or ░░░░░░░░ there s something to ░░░░░░░░ about the meeting So ░░░░░░░░ was very poor legal ░░░░░░░░ by Donald Trump Jr ░░░░░░░░ his team And in ░░░░░░░░ related matter you have ░░░░░░░░ son in law Jared ░░░░░░░░ we ve talked a ░░░░░░░░ about don junior but ░░░░░░░░ has updated his form ░░░░░░░░ least three times Agree ░░░░░░░░ that These names weren ░░░░░░░░ even on that form ░░░░░░░░ agree with that That ░░░░░░░░ very suspicious I agree ░░░░░░░░ that However you have ░░░░░░░░ assess each individual separately ░░░░░░░░ we assess Donald Trump ░░░░░░░░ is different than how ░░░░░░░░ assess Jared Kushner is ░░░░░░░░ than how we assess ░░░░░░░░ Manafort So is your ░░░░░░░░ Trump June yor That ░░░░░░░░ Kushner would be in ░░░░░░░░ much more prekars Absolutely ░░░░░░░░ junior was operating as ░░░░░░░░ businessman Who happened to ░░░░░░░░ for his dad s ░░░░░░░░ I understand that But ░░░░░░░░ doesn t know the ░░░░░░░░ We as lawyers and ░░░░░░░░ When is ignorance of ░░░░░░░░ law defense It s ░░░░░░░░ yet however that is ░░░░░░░░ he took the meeting ░░░░░░░░ someone came to me ░░░░░░░░ that of course I ░░░░░░░░ report it to the ░░░░░░░░ as would you as ░░░░░░░░ Renato but Trump junior ░░░░░░░░ acting like a businessman ░░░░░░░░ s friends with a ░░░░░░░░ star and friends with ░░░░░░░░ publicist and thinks hey ░░░░░░░░ is cool I would ░░░░░░░░ it Wait it s ░░░░░░░░ But not illegal Based ░░░░░░░░ what we know so ░░░░░░░░ that maybe if there ░░░░░░░░ any legal concern here ░░░░░░░░ this White House within ░░░░░░░░ people who are in ░░░░░░░░ meeting it may be ░░░░░░░░ Kushner Well certainly Jared ░░░░░░░░ has more exposure given ░░░░░░░░ omissions from the disclosure ░░░░░░░░ Paul Manafort also has ░░░░░░░░ liability here because to ░░░░░░░░ to Seema s point ░░░░░░░░ know Manafort was an ░░░░░░░░ political person He should ░░░░░░░░ known the campaign finance ░░░░░░░░ He should have known ░░░░░░░░ accepting contributions from a ░░░░░░░░ country could be illegal ░░░░░░░░ could be a violation ░░░░░░░░ campaign finance laws So ░░░░░░░░ has some exposure there ░░░░░░░░ well I think time ░░░░░░░░ tell as to the ░░░░░░░░ of the evidence but ░░░░░░░░ agree that Kushner and ░░░░░░░░ are probably more culpable ░░░░░░░░ Renato Seema thanks to ░░░░░░░░ of you This morning ░░░░░░░░ White House is launching ░░░░░░░░ theme week made in ░░░░░░░░ touting American made products ░░░░░░░░ why aren t the ░░░░░░░░ brands being manufactured in ░░░░░░░░ usa But first Australia ░░░░░░░░ foreign
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