RUSH TRANSCRIPT The l ░░░░░░░░ barista coffee and espresso ░░░░░░░░ A masterpiece in taste ░░░░░░░░ back to State of ░░░░░░░░ Union Most of the ░░░░░░░░ running against former President ░░░░░░░░ defended him after his ░░░░░░░░ this week but only ░░░░░░░░ has gone as far ░░░░░░░░ my next guest Here ░░░░░░░░ me now is Republican ░░░░░░░░ candidate Vivek Ramaswamy Thank ░░░░░░░░ so much for joining ░░░░░░░░ So before you heard ░░░░░░░░ details of the allegations ░░░░░░░░ the Trump indictment you ░░░░░░░░ out a statement saying ░░░░░░░░ you become president you ░░░░░░░░ pardon Donald Trump on ░░░░░░░░ one Now you ve ░░░░░░░░ the allegations and you ░░░░░░░░ seen that he stored ░░░░░░░░ classified information like nuclear ░░░░░░░░ and others in unsecured ░░░░░░░░ of his country club ░░░░░░░░ everything that you ve ░░░░░░░░ do you stand by ░░░░░░░░ promise to pardon him ░░░░░░░░ he is convicted Reading ░░░░░░░░ indictment and looking at ░░░░░░░░ selective omissions of both ░░░░░░░░ and law then I ░░░░░░░░ even more convinced that ░░░░░░░░ pardon is the right ░░░░░░░░ here Why The top ░░░░░░░░ actually we should be ░░░░░░░░ is what did Biden ░░░░░░░░ Merrick Garland what did ░░░░░░░░ Garland tell Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ what I see in ░░░░░░░░ document is deeply politicized ░░░░░░░░ a single mention of ░░░░░░░░ presidential records act The ░░░░░░░░ relevant statute to the ░░░░░░░░ alleged crime here Selective ░░░░░░░░ from President Trump statements ░░░░░░░░ the campaign trail in ░░░░░░░░ about classification and how ░░░░░░░░ would treat it without ░░░░░░░░ mention of the fact ░░░░░░░░ he actually after he ░░░░░░░░ elected in 2016 said ░░░░░░░░ would not prosecute Hillary ░░░░░░░░ and would not want ░░░░░░░░ see her prosecuted No ░░░░░░░░ mentioned this yet This ░░░░░░░░ out to me The ░░░░░░░░ scheme itself was defined ░░░░░░░░ by statute but by ░░░░░░░░ order which is interesting ░░░░░░░░ executive orders appellate courts ░░░░░░░░ held do not bind ░░░░░░░░ U S President with ░░░░░░░░ force of law This ░░░░░░░░ selective prosecution I think ░░░░░░░░ is irresponsible not to ░░░░░░░░ included any treatment of ░░░░░░░░ facts or law in ░░░░░░░░ indictment It wreaks of ░░░░░░░░ which is why I ░░░░░░░░ to go back to ░░░░░░░░ top question the media ░░░░░░░░ should be asking What ░░░░░░░░ Biden tell Garland What ░░░░░░░░ Garland tell Jack Smith ░░░░░░░░ is what you need ░░░░░░░░ get to the bottom ░░░░░░░░ the White House insists ░░░░░░░░ he has absolutely no ░░░░░░░░ to this That the ░░░░░░░░ reason the special counsel ░░░░░░░░ put in place is ░░░░░░░░ take it out of ░░░░░░░░ I want to read ░░░░░░░░ Bill Barr President Trump ░░░░░░░░ own attorney general said ░░░░░░░░ morning on another network ░░░░░░░░ said quote if even ░░░░░░░░ of it is true ░░░░░░░░ of the indictment then ░░░░░░░░ is toast It is ░░░░░░░░ very detailed indictment and ░░░░░░░░ very very damning This ░░░░░░░░ the former president s ░░░░░░░░ former attorney general I ░░░░░░░░ we have to be ░░░░░░░░ to draw a distinction ░░░░░░░░ bad judgments I would ░░░░░░░░ have made the judgments ░░░░░░░░ Trump made It is ░░░░░░░░ big part of why ░░░░░░░░ m in this race ░░░░░░░░ I think I would ░░░░░░░░ made different judgments Like ░░░░░░░░ would you have done ░░░░░░░░ I would not have ░░░░░░░░ the documents with me ░░░░░░░░ I would have returned ░░░░░░░░ on demand because it ░░░░░░░░ have set up for ░░░░░░░░ much more constructive discussion ░░░░░░░░ there is a difference ░░░░░░░░ bad judgment and breaking ░░░░░░░░ law And especially the ░░░░░░░░ police apparatus when it ░░░░░░░░ the two it is ░░░░░░░░ threat to liberty for ░░░░░░░░ American where every misjudgment ░░░░░░░░ treated as a violation ░░░░░░░░ law What really matters ░░░░░░░░ relevant law including by ░░░░░░░░ way how judge Jackson ░░░░░░░░ the presidential records act ░░░░░░░░ 2012 in the Clinton ░░░░░░░░ drawer case Not a ░░░░░░░░ allegation means that indictment ░░░░░░░░ a politicized document That ░░░░░░░░ why I want to ░░░░░░░░ to the bottom of ░░░░░░░░ politics behind it and ░░░░░░░░ transparency there According to ░░░░░░░░ indictment quote the classified ░░░░░░░░ Trump stored in his ░░░░░░░░ included information regarding defense ░░░░░░░░ weapons capabilities of both ░░░░░░░░ United States and foreign ░░░░░░░░ United States nuclear programs ░░░░░░░░ vulnerabilities of the United ░░░░░░░░ and its allies to ░░░░░░░░ attack and plans for ░░░░░░░░ retaliation and response to ░░░░░░░░ foreign attack So we ░░░░░░░░ talking about very very ░░░░░░░░ information which again Trump ░░░░░░░░ stored in a bathroom ░░░░░░░░ bedroom Is that more ░░░░░░░░ just bad judgment It ░░░░░░░░ very bad judgment no ░░░░░░░░ about it So you ░░░░░░░░ have issues with that ░░░░░░░░ do if those allegations ░░░░░░░░ true By the way ░░░░░░░░ reason we have a ░░░░░░░░ of law and I ░░░░░░░░ personally deeply skeptical of ░░░░░░░░ in that indictment so ░░░░░░░░ will not believe it ░░░░░░░░ we actually see it ░░░░░░░░ in a court of ░░░░░░░░ The reason I don ░░░░░░░░ believe it Dana is ░░░░░░░░ selective omission of a ░░░░░░░░ of other facts that ░░░░░░░░ have been in that ░░░░░░░░ Treatment of a bunch ░░░░░░░░ other statutes that are ░░░░░░░░ to this alleged crime ░░░░░░░░ were mentioned nowhere That ░░░░░░░░ personally have no faith ░░░░░░░░ in those vague allegations ░░░░░░░░ if those are true ░░░░░░░░ I think that is ░░░░░░░░ of very bad judgment ░░░░░░░░ m skeptical it even ░░░░░░░░ true But the bottom ░░░░░░░░ is we cannot conflate ░░░░░░░░ bad judgment with a ░░░░░░░░ of the law That ░░░░░░░░ what is at issue ░░░░░░░░ you know we should ░░░░░░░░ when an indictment in ░░░░░░░░ to get an indictment ░░░░░░░░ has to be approved ░░░░░░░░ a grand jury What ░░░░░░░░ taught us in law ░░░░░░░░ is you can get ░░░░░░░░ grand jury to indict ░░░░░░░░ ham sandwich On principle ░░░░░░░░ you think it would ░░░░░░░░ a mistake for the ░░░░░░░░ Party to nominate someone ░░░░░░░░ serious criminal charges Look ░░░░░░░░ am in this race ░░░░░░░░ win because I think ░░░░░░░░ need to move forward ░░░░░░░░ a country I think ░░░░░░░░ go forward with the ░░░░░░░░ if we re grounded ░░░░░░░░ first principles and moral ░░░░░░░░ That is why I ░░░░░░░░ in this race That ░░░░░░░░ not for you or ░░░░░░░░ or certainly the federal ░░░░░░░░ police state to decide ░░░░░░░░ is for the people ░░░░░░░░ the country Federal administrative ░░░░░░░░ state That is pretty ░░░░░░░░ That is exactly what ░░░░░░░░ at work For the ░░░░░░░░ time in U S ░░░░░░░░ not only indicting a ░░░░░░░░ president but indicting currently ░░░░░░░░ lead candidate against the ░░░░░░░░ S president That is ░░░░░░░░ the stuff of the ░░░░░░░░ States of America That ░░░░░░░░ the stuff of banana ░░░░░░░░ If there was ever ░░░░░░░░ to be a case ░░░░░░░░ against a lead political ░░░░░░░░ for a sitting U ░░░░░░░░ president it better be ░░░░░░░░ down and air tight ░░░░░░░░ an indictment that fails ░░░░░░░░ mention the most relevant ░░░░░░░░ at issue It is ░░░░░░░░ as you said unprecedented ░░░░░░░░ should say that there ░░░░░░░░ been democracies that have ░░░░░░░░ put criminal prosecution of ░░░░░░░░ leaders because those times ░░░░░░░░ been so extraordinary Here ░░░░░░░░ the middle of an ░░░░░░░░ And this obviously is ░░░░░░░░ extraordinary I disagree with ░░░░░░░░ allegations I just do ░░░░░░░░ believe those allegations because ░░░░░░░░ I think the intellectual ░░░░░░░░ in that indictment So ░░░░░░░░ think the federal court ░░░░░░░░ actually based on the ░░░░░░░░ of the Clinton sock ░░░░░░░░ case where effectively judge ░░░░░░░░ said in her language ░░░░░░░░ discretion in what is ░░░░░░░░ is not covered as ░░░░░░░░ presidential record I think ░░░░░░░░ court will acquit him ░░░░░░░░ Trump s judgment was ░░░░░░░░ President Biden s judgment ░░░░░░░░ worse for actually bringing ░░░░░░░░ prosecution He should have ░░░░░░░░ what Trump did President ░░░░░░░░ didn t bring a ░░░░░░░░ The Department of Justice ░░░░░░░░ to the president of ░░░░░░░░ United States Okay Which ░░░░░░░░ why I think the ░░░░░░░░ needs to get to ░░░░░░░░ bottom of this There ░░░░░░░░ absolutely no evidence unless ░░░░░░░░ can show me some ░░░░░░░░ President Biden had anything ░░░░░░░░ do with this prosecution ░░░░░░░░ is why he put ░░░░░░░░ layers in between With ░░░░░░░░ respect I think it ░░░░░░░░ shameful I as a ░░░░░░░░ to President Trump in ░░░░░░░░ race have to ask ░░░░░░░░ that the media isn ░░░░░░░░ asking The job of ░░░░░░░░ political media if it ░░░░░░░░ one job is to ░░░░░░░░ the U S government ░░░░░░░░ Yes We know that ░░░░░░░░ we re doing the ░░░░░░░░ You re seeing the ░░░░░░░░ do the bidding of ░░░░░░░░ U S government Get ░░░░░░░░ the bottom of what ░░░░░░░░ told Garland and what ░░░░░░░░ told Jack Smith If ░░░░░░░░ were the other foot ░░░░░░░░ would not take face ░░░░░░░░ Get to the bottom ░░░░░░░░ it Let s restore ░░░░░░░░ in this country That ░░░░░░░░ what is missing is ░░░░░░░░ to the truth Thank ░░░░░░░░ for that We are ░░░░░░░░ asking these questions Good ░░░░░░░░ we know how to ░░░░░░░░ good journalists because we ░░░░░░░░ it every single day ░░░░░░░░ question is on the ░░░░░░░░ Do you believe Donald ░░░░░░░░ should be above the ░░░░░░░░ or should he be ░░░░░░░░ to the same standard ░░░░░░░░ every citizen in this ░░░░░░░░ Every citizen in this ░░░░░░░░ is held and should ░░░░░░░░ held to the same ░░░░░░░░ That includes Joe Biden ░░░░░░░░ includes Hillary Clinton That ░░░░░░░░ Mike Pence me every ░░░░░░░░ across this country What ░░░░░░░░ are seeing is a ░░░░░░░░ prosecution There is a ░░░░░░░░ between Donald Trump when ░░░░░░░░ left office as president ░░░░░░░░ Joe Biden who is ░░░░░░░░ U S senator or ░░░░░░░░ Clinton who is a ░░░░░░░░ of state none of ░░░░░░░░ are covered by the ░░░░░░░░ records act Couldn t ░░░░░░░░ be true it is ░░░░░░░░ so much a selective ░░░░░░░░ It is just that ░░░░░░░░ allegations of what Donald ░░░░░░░░ did is just different ░░░░░░░░ allegedly much more egregious ░░░░░░░░ what we ve seen ░░░░░░░░ else There are few ░░░░░░░░ that are just different ░░░░░░░░ the presidency We have ░░░░░░░░ accept we have this ░░░░░░░░ law in this country ░░░░░░░░ you don t like ░░░░░░░░ law we should change ░░░░░░░░ but the law says ░░░░░░░░ is a presidential records ░░░░░░░░ that specifically gives U ░░░░░░░░ presidents jurisdiction and authority ░░░░░░░░ deciding what is and ░░░░░░░░ t a presidential record ░░░░░░░░ executive orders bind the ░░░░░░░░ of the country that ░░░░░░░░ classification scheme They don ░░░░░░░░ bind the U S ░░░░░░░░ Again these are questions ░░░░░░░░ the courts I am ░░░░░░░░ substituting my opinion for ░░░░░░░░ judgment of the court ░░░░░░░░ am saying those distinctions ░░░░░░░░ not even appear in ░░░░░░░░ indictment to me wreak ░░░░░░░░ politicization which is why ░░░░░░░░ am deeply skeptical of ░░░░░░░░ face value claim that ░░░░░░░░ White House wasn t ░░░░░░░░ That is what I ░░░░░░░░ to get to the ░░░░░░░░ of Vivek Ramaswamy Thank ░░░░░░░░ for your time My ░░░░░░░░ guest has a slightly ░░░░░░░░ case on the case ░░░░░░░░ President Trump Asa Hutchinson ░░░░░░░░ me to respond after ░░░░░░░░ quick break We re ░░░░░░░░ our nenetwork
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