The death of her ░░░░░░░░ the queen led to ░░░░░░░░ of the grandest state ░░░░░░░░ in history but there ░░░░░░░░ reports King Charles wants ░░░░░░░░ new look monarchy and ░░░░░░░░ shorter smaller less expensive ░░░░░░░░ ceremony next year so ░░░░░░░░ might that look like ░░░░░░░░ author and historian Dr ░░░░░░░░ Dunlop says she thinks ░░░░░░░░ will adopts a more ░░░░░░░░ approach to the throne ░░░░░░░░ the U K director ░░░░░░░░ the Common Sense Society ░░░░░░░░ Webb thinks that would ░░░░░░░░ a big mistake why ░░░░░░░░ I think what we ░░░░░░░░ seen over the last ░░░░░░░░ of days is just ░░░░░░░░ moving ritual can be ░░░░░░░░ the British people how ░░░░░░░░ and how how effective ░░░░░░░░ is in doing what ░░░░░░░░ s serving its purpose ░░░░░░░░ has brought the country ░░░░░░░░ grief in this seamless ░░░░░░░░ and we have to ░░░░░░░░ how absolutely incredible this ░░░░░░░░ this seamless transition between ░░░░░░░░ heads of state from ░░░░░░░░ great Elizabethan era into ░░░░░░░░ new era and to ░░░░░░░░ that so seamlessly and ░░░░░░░░ beautifully and we have ░░░░░░░░ remember that our constitutional ░░░░░░░░ is the embodiment of ░░░░░░░░ Constitution we have a ░░░░░░░░ constitution in this country ░░░░░░░░ so these things are ░░░░░░░░ Traditions they stretch back ░░░░░░░░ the way you know ░░░░░░░░ millennium to Alfred the ░░░░░░░░ and I think that ░░░░░░░░ you know man doesn ░░░░░░░░ live by bread alone ░░░░░░░░ think these are really ░░░░░░░░ things for the British ░░░░░░░░ to be able to ░░░░░░░░ a full coronation and ░░░░░░░░ there are also reasons ░░░░░░░░ well separate from this ░░░░░░░░ I think against having ░░░░░░░░ slimmed down monarchy but ░░░░░░░░ s a separate subject ░░░░░░░░ Tessa Dunlop we do ░░░░░░░░ ceremony beautifully why should ░░░░░░░░ do it smaller and ░░░░░░░░ slim down well I ░░░░░░░░ it s important to ░░░░░░░░ that we were celebrating ░░░░░░░░ unique woman s life ░░░░░░░░ s been quite hard ░░░░░░░░ separate to what extent ░░░░░░░░ was an outpouring of ░░░░░░░░ for monarchy and to ░░░░░░░░ extent it was an ░░░░░░░░ of emotion and respect ░░░░░░░░ the late Queen Elizabeth ░░░░░░░░ reach tickled us and ░░░░░░░░ us all the way ░░░░░░░░ to the blitz to ░░░░░░░░ to the high noon ░░░░░░░░ great britishness that s ░░░░░░░░ first point the second ░░░░░░░░ is the idea that ░░░░░░░░ ve always done this ░░░░░░░░ we must keep doing ░░░░░░░░ actually uh ceremonial pageantry ░░░░░░░░ in that way for ░░░░░░░░ and funerals that s ░░░░░░░░ really a fairly recent ░░░░░░░░ in the last 120 ░░░░░░░░ we first saw it ░░░░░░░░ Queen Victoria for her ░░░░░░░░ and Diamond Jubilee so ░░░░░░░░ would contest that therefore ░░░░░░░░ have to keep doing ░░░░░░░░ same thing Emma um ░░░░░░░░ are of course in ░░░░░░░░ middle of a cost ░░░░░░░░ living crisis and although ░░░░░░░░ were muted During the ░░░░░░░░ of mourning out of ░░░░░░░░ there will be a ░░░░░░░░ of people who think ░░░░░░░░ a new king might ░░░░░░░░ the money spent on ░░░░░░░░ monarchy would be better ░░░░░░░░ redistributed amongst people who ░░░░░░░░ really need it I ░░░░░░░░ t doubt that there ░░░░░░░░ be people who will ░░░░░░░░ that argument and I ░░░░░░░░ don t what I ░░░░░░░░ my argument is not ░░░░░░░░ for ignoring the cost ░░░░░░░░ living I think that ░░░░░░░░ very important we saw ░░░░░░░░ from the previous segment ░░░░░░░░ important that is for ░░░░░░░░ s lives and I ░░░░░░░░ it s important to ░░░░░░░░ that but we also ░░░░░░░░ to also recognize that ░░░░░░░░ as we saw over ░░░░░░░░ last couple of days ░░░░░░░░ a perfect demonstration of ░░░░░░░░ the way that ritual ░░░░░░░░ tradition so beautifully articulates ░░░░░░░░ feelings of the nation ░░░░░░░░ how how it binds ░░░░░░░░ together and it binds ░░░░░░░░ different communities all around ░░░░░░░░ country and nothing else ░░░░░░░░ power quite like that ░░░░░░░░ I think that that ░░░░░░░░ extremely important I know ░░░░░░░░ say it articulate the ░░░░░░░░ of the nation or ░░░░░░░░ it lead the feelings ░░░░░░░░ the nation did was ░░░░░░░░ I mean it is ░░░░░░░░ deliberate a morning ritual ░░░░░░░░ a deliberately structured event ░░░░░░░░ create an atmosph there ░░░░░░░░ to create and of ░░░░░░░░ we have the media ░░░░░░░░ virtual blanket coverage I ░░░░░░░░ there are there are ░░░░░░░░ in this country people ░░░░░░░░ don t like the ░░░░░░░░ I think many of ░░░░░░░░ have respectfully kept quiet ░░░░░░░░ the last 10 day ░░░░░░░░ and rightfully so as ░░░░░░░░ great woman has passed ░░░░░░░░ but I think the ░░░░░░░░ that you you claim ░░░░░░░░ articulated and millions out ░░░░░░░░ the street doesn t ░░░░░░░░ mean that this is ░░░░░░░░ homogenous View and everybody ░░░░░░░░ that well I think ░░░░░░░░ just looking at how ░░░░░░░░ people so how many ░░░░░░░░ came out into the ░░░░░░░░ yes I was in ░░░░░░░░ queue myself there is ░░░░░░░░ queue there are the ░░░░░░░░ who came out or ░░░░░░░░ on you know all ░░░░░░░░ the country in Scotland ░░░░░░░░ London and also the ░░░░░░░░ that not just in ░░░░░░░░ U K but also ░░░░░░░░ importance of this internationally ░░░░░░░░ in the Commonwealth 5 ░░░░░░░░ billion people watch this ░░░░░░░░ worldwide that s over ░░░░░░░░ I think of the ░░░░░░░░ s population that s ░░░░░░░░ but Emma do you ░░░░░░░░ think there might be ░░░░░░░░ element of pageantry and ░░░░░░░░ fatigue next year first ░░░░░░░░ all I think your ░░░░░░░░ s really good that ░░░░░░░░ had performative unity and ░░░░░░░░ and a large number ░░░░░░░░ people a large minority ░░░░░░░░ people who feel fairly ░░░░░░░░ about monarchy either kept ░░░░░░░░ because they respected the ░░░░░░░░ Queen who couldn t ░░░░░░░░ because they realized it ░░░░░░░░ a period of mourning ░░░░░░░░ might not necessarily be ░░░░░░░░ deferential in a year ░░░░░░░░ time but let s ░░░░░░░░ quickly go back to ░░░░░░░░ last coronation we had ░░░░░░░░ whole 16 months between ░░░░░░░░ accession to the throne ░░░░░░░░ February of 52 and ░░░░░░░░ coronation in June 53 ░░░░░░░░ reasons one is the ░░░░░░░░ was young she was ░░░░░░░░ so she could wait ░░░░░░░░ also Winston Churchill said ░░░░░░░░ ve got to get ░░░░░░░░ bailiffs out of the ░░░░░░░░ you know we had ░░░░░░░░ work out how to ░░░░░░░░ for the coronation arguably ░░░░░░░░ cost of living crisis ░░░░░░░░ is worse than the ░░░░░░░░ situation we find ourselves ░░░░░░░░ in 5253 we were ░░░░░░░░ to finally bump out ░░░░░░░░ so I would suggest ░░░░░░░░ if you want to ░░░░░░░░ genuine Unity not just ░░░░░░░░ vocal ones in the ░░░░░░░░ you need to you ░░░░░░░░ to model and I ░░░░░░░░ that the King Charles ░░░░░░░░ aware of the cost ░░░░░░░░ living crisis because he ░░░░░░░░ me to write a ░░░░░░░░ on it and one ░░░░░░░░ I sent to him ░░░░░░░░ he s certainly aware ░░░░░░░░ what is going on ░░░░░░░░ the country and actually ░░░░░░░░ want the future you ░░░░░░░░ you re supporting the ░░░░░░░░ of the monarchy I ░░░░░░░░ that the monarchy you ░░░░░░░░ about reflection then it ░░░░░░░░ has to reflect the ░░░░░░░░ of the country and ░░░░░░░░ suspect he will be ░░░░░░░░ aware of trying to ░░░░░░░░ the the right balance ░░░░░░░░ to how the country ░░░░░░░░ be feeling once we ░░░░░░░░ away from the period ░░░░░░░░ mourning Emma Webb thank ░░░░░░░░ very much indeed Dr ░░░░░░░░ dunno really interesting to ░░░░░░░░ to you both this ░░░░░░░░ and really interesting to ░░░░░░░░ that if next year ░░░░░░░░ coronation is smaller Slimmer ░░░░░░░░ will be down to ░░░░░░░░ Lewis and his advice ░░░░░░░░ the new King on ░░░░░░░░ house he ll be ░░░░░░░░ Outdoors so there are ░░░░░░░░ energy bills so it ░░░░░░░░ not me