Gowdy: Obama’s ‘Not a Smidgeon of Corruption’ Claim ‘Has Been Totally Debunked’

‘I have to trust that the career prosecutors are going to look at this seriously’

VAN SUSTEREN: "Is she going to jail?"
GOWDY: "You are going to have to ask Attorney General Holder. I will stay this, the notion that there is not one smidgen of criminality or corruption which is what the president told us on Super Bowl Sunday has been totally debunked by what ways and means has done. I have to trust that the career prosecutor is going to look at this seriously. And I think that at least a prima facie case has been made for two separate criminal violations."
VAN SUSTEREN: "You know, what I don't get. It's get around to Attorney General Eric Holder can he pull the plug on it and stop it from there. You have got President Obama saying the smidgen comment, that basically that it's over, that there is nothing there. That was in February of this year. And then just today we get this email that she says 'maybe can I get a job in the D.C. office job with Organizing for America.' I mean, it really is, enough is enough. I don't know how Eric Holder cannot at send this to a grand jury for investigation. Maybe there is no criminal involvement but sure enough to send to a grand jury. Or I think there is."
GOWDY: "I do too. And yesterday there was exchange between the attorney general and Louie Gohmert where the attorney general made it very clear -- at least to me, I was sitting ten feet away from him -- that he did take it seriously. He didn't agree with it, he thought he was being treated unfairly but took it seriously. Well hopefully he takes his legacy as this nation's top law enforcement official seriously. And when you have ways and means -- I mean, it's one thing to kind of minimize oversight as a bunch of crazy prosecutors -- this is ways and means which is a very well respected, venerable committee. And they sent three separate referrals to the Department of Justice."
VAN SUSTEREN: "You know, I guess it must frustrate you as a former assistant United States attorney. You know, Ihear in your voice when we have had conversations that it's like pulling teeth to try to get information. It's the most frustrating, you know, it's like you can't get the information out of the IRS, and in order for you to get a subpoena, you have got to beg from a bove -- you know, it's just incredible."
GOWDY: "And then you have Commissioner Koskinen saying we will get you e-mails in a couple of years. I mean, can you imagine if you told a judge that you were going to do something for him or her in a couple of years? Or if you sent a grand jury subpoena and private citizen said 'yeah, I will get around to that when I feel like it.' Yes, it is very frustrating. And yeah, I miss my old job but I'm sure some days you miss your old job too."
VAN SUSTEREN: "You know -- some days actually, some days I do. You know, though, that whole business about the e-mails, if someone drops a subpoena on Fox News channel -- and I have been here 12 and some change --12 years and some change. If you drop and ask all me e-mails,  a lawful subpoena, I bet that -- and I'm a big e-mailer. I bet that Fox could get together all 12 years of my emails and deliver them by 9:00 tomorrow morning."
GOWDY: "Oh, at a minimum they would have them by the end of the week or, you know, maybe worse case scenario the end of the month. But nobody would say 'I will get them to you in a couple of years.' But Greta, the problem is, whatever remedies or tools that we have at our disposal for ensuring compliance we won't use. We won't make Koskinen sit there until there is a document produced. We won't make John Kerry sit there until they give us what we want on Benghazi. We have certain tools at our disposal we just won't use them. And as a former prosecutor it is frustrating."
VAN SUSTEREN: "Is that leadership? Is that -- I know, you want it, and I know you have tried -- is that leadership?"
GOWDY: "I think if Speaker Boehner were here he would tell you that he has to weigh and balance a lot of factors that a back-bencher from South Carolina does not have to weigh and balance. And I think that is what he would tell you."
VAN SUSTEREN: "Representative, good to see you."
GOWDY: "Yes ma'am, you too."

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