Carl Bernstein: We’re in a ‘Perilous’ Moment Where Trump’’s Lies Could Take Us to a ‘Authoritarian Place’
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STELTER: "Carl Bernstein is here with me now, 1/2 of the famed Woodward and Bernstein duo, what do you see happening at the end of this week, Carl?"
BERNSTEIN: "With my conversations with people at the White House, with lawyers, with some of the defendants who have come before Mueller and people on capitol Hill, I think we can look at a big picture now with some real definition, in which the perilous moment for our country right now, and it’s a question of whether lies, authoritarianism and the character of the president of the United States are going to take us to an authoritarian place where we have never been in which he will bury a duly constituted and legal investigation that will determine whether or not the president is above the rule of law. And what we are seeing, and what Donald Trump understands and the reason he wants to bury, demean, undermine and put this investigation out of business for all time is, he knows that Mueller has the ability and the facts to reveal him, Donald Trump in a really terrible light, whether it’s criminal behavior or not. Mueller has enough to show Donald Trump and his lies in a way that definitively the American people including a lot of facts viewers perhaps may be convinced that we are seeing a false narrative by the president of the United States in which well, maybe there is collusion, how do we define collusion? Trump does not want this story told, that’s the bottom line. And whether or not it will be told will have a lot to do with whether the Republican Party in Washington insists that Mueller’s investigation be protected and that it go forward and if Mueller produced a report, not necessarily that he brings the president in shackles into the Congress or before a grand jury, but whether his report is allowed to be made and made public and then the American people will be able to judge what happened with Donald Trump and foreign powers, and corruption as well. And that is what Donald Trump is trying to prevent and I think we"
