DHS Secretary vs. Dick Durbin: The Wall Works
DURBIN: "We gave you every penny you asked for."
NIELSEN: "Sir, it is not the pennies. It is closing the loopholes."
DURBIN: "Can we cut back on some of this money? Because we can sure use it."
NIELSEN: "We need the wall, too. The wall works, as you well know. It’s part of border security."