KERRY: “Well thee were a lot of -- but -- but you know, I keep hearing people say, hey, we tried this for 25 years. We’ve had diplomacy and it didn’t work. No, that’s not true. We have -- we have less sanctions against North Korea today, which has a nuclear weapon, than we had against Iran, which did not have a nuclear weapon. Now how do you figure that out? We actually brought more pressure to bear on Iran to come to the table and negotiate. So when people say we’ve tried everything — no, we haven’t tried everything. We need to put greater pressure on sanctions because that’s the way you exhaust diplomacy. And if Donald Trump is ever going to get to the point where he has to, quote, 'destroy North Korea', which we all understand, this could come to blows. But you don’t have to brandish that every moment so that it’s always the -- the big stick and -- and -- and no talk, literally, softly or otherwise. You've got to have both."