Eric Schiffer Battles Tucker Carlson over His Calls to Regulate Facebook: ‘Where Do You Draw the Line?’

RUSH TRANSCRIPT Carlson SCHIFFER ░░░░░░░░ you nice to be ░░░░░░░░ you Carlson There is ░░░░░░░░ evidence science has produced ░░░░░░░░ evidence that some of ░░░░░░░░ products and Silicon Valley ░░░░░░░░ hurt people particularly children ░░░░░░░░ there appears to be ░░░░░░░░ direct connection between the ░░░░░░░░ people spend using these ░░░░░░░░ and the condition of ░░░░░░░░ mental health I m ░░░░░░░░ what Silicon Valley is ░░░░░░░░ about that I m ░░░░░░░░ SCHIFFER I think those ░░░░░░░░ certainly valid concerns that ░░░░░░░░ have raised in aspects ░░░░░░░░ the community but there ░░░░░░░░ a whole other side ░░░░░░░░ Facebook and I think ░░░░░░░░ s just one You ░░░░░░░░ make many of these ░░░░░░░░ arguments with respect to ░░░░░░░░ you can make them ░░░░░░░░ with respect to music ░░░░░░░░ ve heard this argument ░░░░░░░░ in history There s ░░░░░░░░ question The truth is ░░░░░░░░ a show like yours ░░░░░░░░ captivating interesting it s ░░░░░░░░ to hold it s ░░░░░░░░ to capture people and ░░░░░░░░ them stick and it ░░░░░░░░ and it does it ░░░░░░░░ Carlson My show on ░░░░░░░░ news has not totally ░░░░░░░░ our society SCHIFFER Liberals ░░░░░░░░ t think so Carlson ░░░░░░░░ s not a liberal ░░░░░░░░ thing Here s the ░░░░░░░░ When this technology came ░░░░░░░░ 20 years ago and ░░░░░░░░ the we live completely ░░░░░░░░ just seems irresponsible to ░░░░░░░░ or perhaps I m ░░░░░░░░ something SCHIFFER It s ░░░░░░░░ and I think the ░░░░░░░░ is in any kind ░░░░░░░░ media and this is ░░░░░░░░ media entity if you ░░░░░░░░ it s all about ░░░░░░░░ people it s all ░░░░░░░░ capturing people whether it ░░░░░░░░ television its movies it ░░░░░░░░ music and I think ░░░░░░░░ have figured it out ░░░░░░░░ in the brain Carlson ░░░░░░░░ love how liberals are ░░░░░░░░ defending unrestrained market capitalism ░░░░░░░░ they re profiting but ░░░░░░░░ is that different than ░░░░░░░░ crack cocaine or heroin ░░░░░░░░ whole point is get ░░░░░░░░ engaged Why do you ░░░░░░░░ with the effect is ░░░░░░░░ them There s not ░░░░░░░░ an answer is it ░░░░░░░░ I think it s ░░░░░░░░ an adjusting debate Where ░░░░░░░░ you draw the line ░░░░░░░░ you can make the ░░░░░░░░ that almost anything that ░░░░░░░░ people and captures people ░░░░░░░░ may have any effect ░░░░░░░░ way could be negative ░░░░░░░░ one s advocating for ░░░░░░░░ there s no question ░░░░░░░░ that Carlson They are ░░░░░░░░ we knew this was ░░░░░░░░ we knew it hurt ░░░░░░░░ but we did it ░░░░░░░░ We created this class ░░░░░░░░ child billionaires who apparently ░░░░░░░░ they were hurting the ░░░░░░░░ when they greeted the ░░░░░░░░ I don t understand ░░░░░░░░ there is not a ░░░░░░░░ hearing about this If ░░░░░░░░ was a drug there ░░░░░░░░ be SCHIFFER I understand ░░░░░░░░ what about movies what ░░░░░░░░ violent video games where ░░░░░░░░ you draw the line ░░░░░░░░ I guess my point ░░░░░░░░ all of this is ░░░░░░░░ you have a platform ░░░░░░░░ Facebook or television or ░░░░░░░░ et cetera you have ░░░░░░░░ also balance it against ░░░░░░░░ social good When you ░░░░░░░░ Facebook that s allow ░░░░░░░░ to thrive thrive It ░░░░░░░░ down regimes that were ░░░░░░░░ America Carlson I m ░░░░░░░░ saying it has no ░░░░░░░░ social value I m ░░░░░░░░ arguing that I m ░░░░░░░░ saying under the ad ░░░░░░░░ that you re repeating ░░░░░░░░ propaganda there s another ░░░░░░░░ It appears to have ░░░░░░░░ effect on the mental ░░░░░░░░ of kids and I ░░░░░░░░ t see the people ░░░░░░░░ from this taking that ░░░░░░░░ at all If I ░░░░░░░░ a casino there s ░░░░░░░░ upside to casinos but ░░░░░░░░ also want to put ░░░░░░░░ aside to fund help ░░░░░░░░ people who are hurt ░░░░░░░░ my products same with ░░░░░░░░ Why is Silicon Valley ░░░░░░░░ just because they give ░░░░░░░░ to politicians SCHIFFER I ░░░░░░░░ t think Silicon Valley ░░░░░░░░ exempt and I don ░░░░░░░░ think anyone is suggesting ░░░░░░░░ they are There is ░░░░░░░░ question that no one ░░░░░░░░ to hurt children certainly ░░░░░░░░ anyone Carlson How much ░░░░░░░░ mark Zuckerberg spending to ░░░░░░░░ the effect of his ░░░░░░░░ on children and to ░░░░░░░░ the children whose product ░░░░░░░░ hurting SCHIFFER The same ░░░░░░░░ is true of television ░░░░░░░░ radio Carlson I ve ░░░░░░░░ pretty good handle on ░░░░░░░░ television does and I ░░░░░░░░ t offend any of ░░░░░░░░ The Internet is a ░░░░░░░░ experience and we don ░░░░░░░░ actually know what the ░░░░░░░░ are The point is ░░░░░░░░ guys don t care ░░░░░░░░ they re greedy You ░░░░░░░░ had one of them ░░░░░░░░ we are hurting people ░░░░░░░░ I m a billionaire ░░░░░░░░ m going to live ░░░░░░░░ 160 What Why is ░░░░░░░░ okay That s horrifying ░░░░░░░░ don t you think ░░░░░░░░ I don t know ░░░░░░░░ you re referencing in ░░░░░░░░ of a general sense ░░░░░░░░ don t think anyone ░░░░░░░░ say it s okay ░░░░░░░░ we re trying to ░░░░░░░░ is balance the totality ░░░░░░░░ everything For instance with ░░░░░░░░ for instance it s ░░░░░░░░ that without Facebook Donald ░░░░░░░░ would have been elected ░░░░░░░░ The digital director of ░░░░░░░░ s campaign has much ░░░░░░░░ the case And conservatives ░░░░░░░░ are using Facebook to ░░░░░░░░ the mainstream media Carlson ░░░░░░░░ is probably great in ░░░░░░░░ there s lots that ░░░░░░░░ like I think there ░░░░░░░░ an upside to Facebook ░░░░░░░░ m just saying there ░░░░░░░░ to be a massive ░░░░░░░░ to the company itself ░░░░░░░░ there ignoring Cigarettes kill ░░░░░░░░ after a while It ░░░░░░░░ not that there s ░░░░░░░░ good about it There ░░░░░░░░ clearly something really bad ░░░░░░░░ it SCHIFFER I don ░░░░░░░░ think there s an ░░░░░░░░ to cigarettes in my ░░░░░░░░ I do see your ░░░░░░░░ absolutely I also see ░░░░░░░░ other side I see ░░░░░░░░ fact that there s ░░░░░░░░ so much positive and ░░░░░░░░ have to balance it ░░░░░░░░ s not to say ░░░░░░░░ Facebook should not be ░░░░░░░░ more to protect kids ░░░░░░░░ keep bullying away and ░░░░░░░░ I think they have ░░░░░░░░ a nice job in ░░░░░░░░ regard Carlson Bullying displaces ░░░░░░░░ responsibility from themselves onto ░░░░░░░░ consumers There saying people ░░░░░░░░ misusing our product maybe ░░░░░░░░ product itself hurts people ░░░░░░░░ they should sit in ░░░░░░░░ hot seat and have ░░░░░░░░ ask them some real ░░░░░░░░ SCHIFFER Imagine without a ░░░░░░░░ Carlson I grew up ░░░░░░░░ Facebook I was pretty ░░░░░░░░ before Facebook I have ░░░░░░░░ say As far as ░░░░░░░░ remember SCHIFFER You yourself ░░░░░░░░ from it You use ░░░░░░░░ every day Carlson Let ░░░░░░░░ stop lying and get ░░░░░░░░ the heart of it ░░░░░░░░ you Dominic Dumb academic ░░░░░░░░ what do we know ░░░░░░░░ the effect of social ░░░░░░░░ and screen time on ░░░░░░░░